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Thinking Like a Lawyer - Above the Law

Thinking Like A Lawyer is a podcast featuring Above the Law’s Elie Mystal and Joe Patrice. Each episode, the hosts will take a topic experienced and enjoyed by regular people, and shine it through the prism of a legal framework. This will either reveal an awesome rainbow of thought, or a disorienting kaleidoscope of issues. Either way, it should be fun.

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Oct 19, 2017
How To Explain The World To Non-Lawyers

Joe and Elie talk to Cristian Farias about producing a legal podcast non-lawyers listen to, and explaining the Supreme Court to a law audience.

Sep 19, 2017
Finding Your Career Starts Now, 1L

In this legal podcast about law school, Ray English discusses when law students should start finding a job.

Sep 6, 2017
Turning Your Law Degree Into Writing About College Football

How does one go from practicing law to writing about football? Hear from Ryan Nanni in this legal podcast.

Aug 16, 2017
Election Law Takes Center Stage

In this Above the Law podcast, Richard Hasen talks about the voting rights and redistricting battles being waged at the nation's highest courts.

Jul 31, 2017
How Hulk Hogan Ruined America

Brian Knappenberger discusses his documentary about the Hulk Hogan vs. Gawker case, Nobody Speak: Trials of the Free Press

Jul 19, 2017
Supreme Court Wrap-Up

In this Above the Law podcast, Tejinder Singh discusses the relatively sleepy Supreme Court Term.

Jun 30, 2017
Supreme Court Betting On New Jersey

This legal podcast discusses the Supreme Court's decision to challenge the the Professional and Amateur Sports Protection Act (PASPA).

Jun 15, 2017
Harvard’s Accepting The GRE — How Much Should You Freak Out?

This legal podcast looks at whether law schools should accept the GRE and the potential effect of this decision.

May 31, 2017
2017 Law School Rankings

Elie and Joe discuss the 2017 Above the Law law school rankings and the ATL methodology with special guest Brian Dalton, Above the Law's Director of Research.

May 25, 2017
Bar Exam Woes

As a new crop of law school graduates prepares for the bar exam, Joe and Elie talk to James Mullen of Law School HQ about the “last test you’ll ever take.” What is a “UBE” and is it a good development? Why are so many people struggling to pass the bar? And, really, what’s California’s...

Apr 28, 2017
The Police Have An Image Problem… And This Isn’t Helping

This legal podcast discusses whether using cops for promposals is counterproductive in improving people's view of police.

Apr 21, 2017
Let Us Tell You Where You Should Go To Law School

Joe and Elie open the mailbag and answer questions from listeners trying to decide where to go to law school.

Mar 24, 2017
Why Did You Go There?

Joe and Elie discuss how they chose their law schools, and how others should do what they say, not necessarily what they did.

Mar 10, 2017
When Your Accounting Firm Messes Up

On this episode, PwC's Oscars mistake and why they still won't get fired.

Feb 24, 2017
Biglaw Steps Up for Child Coming To America

Willkie Farr's representation of Alma Kashkooli, a 12-year-old Iranian girl coming to the U.S. for surgery in the midst of the administration's travel ban.

Jan 19, 2017
The Fashion Police

Elie and Joe talk about Apple, Samsung, knock offs, child labor, Melania Trump, and open toed shoes… in that order… with Fashionista editor Tyler McCall.

Dec 30, 2016
Awards For The Lawyer In Your Life

In this legal podcast from the Above the Law blog editors, Elie and Joe award those in the legal industry who entertained us this year.

Dec 22, 2016
Bonuses And Bowls

Joe and ATL Editor Kathryn Rubino discuss Biglaw bonus season as firms place the final cherry atop associate compensation after a tumultuous year of raises.

Nov 30, 2016
Freedom Of The Press In Trump’s America

Libel law expert and former Bloomberg Global Media Counsel Charles Glasser talks about the future of the press.

Nov 18, 2016
Private Practice Tools and Tech Roundup

Joe and Elie talk to fellow ATL editor David Lat about the recent APP Conference in Philadelphia bringing together practitioners and thought leaders to discuss the future of legal practice. And Elie and Joe argue about public schools.

Oct 24, 2016
What’s Up With The Philadelphia Market?

Joe and Elie discuss the Philadelphia legal market with attorney Steven Silver.

Oct 10, 2016
Supreme Court Preview: Waiting For Garland

Elie and Joe chat with SCOTUSBlog contributor and Supreme Court litigator Tejinder Singh about the upcoming Supreme Court Term. The docket lacks the blockbuster issues of past years, but there are still some critical cases pending before the 8-member Court.

Sep 30, 2016
Is LegalZoom Ruining The Legal Profession Or Enhancing It?

Joe Patrice brings on Chad Burton and Nicole Bradick of CuroLegal to cohost a wide-ranging discussion with LegalZoom General Counsel Chas Rampenthal.

Aug 31, 2016
Access and Name Dropping

Joe and Elie debate the Clinton Foundation, back to school issues, and the efficacy of taking classes with “famous” professors, just so you can name drop at parties.

Aug 11, 2016
Pokémon’s Evolving Legal Landscape

Joe and Elie chat with attorney Drew Rossow, author of Gotta Catch... A Lawsuit?, about the legal challenges surrounding Pokémon Go.

Jul 28, 2016
Law Firm Salary Extravaganza

Elie and Joe chat with Professor Bill Henderson, an expert in legal industry economics, to discuss the recent increase in associate salaries.

Jun 15, 2016
Summertime In Law Firms

From summer associate etiquette to proper lunching locations, to living as a full-time associate in a world of summers, Joe Patrice and Kathryn Rubino discuss how to tackle the summer and reminisce about their own summer adventures.

Jun 6, 2016
Unveiling The 2016 Top 50 Law Schools

Joe and Elie chat with Research Director Brian Dalton about the latest law school rankings from Above the Law and trends in legal education. Do you want to know where you should go to law school? Do you just want bragging rights over your colleagues from rival schools? Either way this podcast is for you.

Apr 26, 2016
Making A Murderer’s Dean Strang On Criminal Justice

Joe and Elie chat with Dean Strang, the breakout legal star — if that’s the right word for a documentary — of Netflix’s Making A Murderer. Along with attorney Steven Chung, the gang chats with Strang about the state of the criminal justice system and the persistent plague of prosecutorial overreach.

Apr 7, 2016
The Hulk Hogan Leg Drop On The First Amendment

Elie Mystal and First Amendment Lawyer Marc Randazza talk about the Hulk Hogan verdict, the right to be forgotten, and how Europe seems to be getting along just fine without ruining everybody's Google footprints.

Mar 14, 2016
The Future and Past of the Supreme Court

Elie and Joe talk to Professor Peter Irons about Justice Scalia’s vacancy and the often very personal stories of the people who bring their cases to the United States Supreme Court. Listen to Elie’s mind being blown in real-time by a personal account of the life of Fred Korematsu. Peter Irons is the author of numerous...

Feb 18, 2016
Everything You Wanted To Know About That Drone Spying Outside Your Bedroom Window

Elie and Joe talk with a drone law expert about the expanding rights of drones and the diminishing rights of property owners who want to stop them. Steven Hogan is an associate with the law firm Ausley & McMullen and practices in the areas of commercial litigation and state and federal tax law. Before joining...

Feb 9, 2016
Election Law Pitfalls Of Presidential Primaries

Joe and Elie chat with election law expert Professor Rick Hasen about the Iowa Caucuses, Ted Cruz’s infamous mailer, and Citizens United as the presidential election kicks into gear.

Jan 5, 2016
Slave Wars

Do Droids have rights in the Star Wars universe? Are they “pets?” Does Jabba’s treatment of droids reveal him to be more evil than the Empire? Spoilers follow.

Dec 22, 2015
A World Without Affirmative Action

With the Court seemingly poised to strike down affirmative-action in Fisher v. Texas, Elie, Joe and Renwei Chung debate how we got here and the future of diversity in higher education.

Nov 23, 2015
Here Comes The Bride… And The Lawyers

Elie and Joe chat with Robert Schenk of Schenk Smith and proprietor of the Wedding Industry Law Blog about the oft-overlooked legal minefield that is getting married. Venues, vendors, and “DJ-Gate” loom large as Schenk explains how he found this niche and used it to build his small firm practice.

Nov 9, 2015
The Customer Is Always A Sucker: Law School Economics

Joe and Elie chat with Slate Senior Business and Economics correspondent Jordan Weissmann about the economics of law schools. From Northwestern renaming itself for a huge endowment to a law professor taking to the media to say he sees no problem taking tuition from students who will never be able to practice, the economics of...

Oct 26, 2015
Why Lawyers Are Good At Sex

Joe and Elie chat with Gary Ross of Jackson Ross about starting your own firm, the unique challenges of transactional small law, and his blockbuster Above the Law column about legal sexual prowess.

Oct 19, 2015
How To Debate For Your Job

Joe and Elie talk with Vanderbilt Career Services Officer Nick Alexiou about the legal job market, and the presidential job market.

Oct 2, 2015
Supreme Court Preview: Revenge of the Roberts!

Elie and Joe complain about the media’s abysmal coverage of court cases before previewing the upcoming Supreme Court Term with a real-life Supreme Court litigator, Tejinder Singh, a partner at Goldstein & Russell (http://www.goldsteinrussell.com/attorneys/tejinder-singh/) and contributor to SCOTUSBlog. What’s next for the Supreme Court? If you said, “a lot of pro-business decisions” you’re probably right!

Sep 14, 2015
SportsBall

Elie and Joe talk with Steve Silver of The Legal Blitz about all the off the field problems associated with “OMG I think that’s brain coming out of his ear”-Ball.

Aug 31, 2015
Kit-Kats, X-Files, And Starting Your Own Firm

Joe talks to Jared Correia, Assistant Director and Senior Law Practice Advisor at LOMAP and host of Legal Talk Network’s Legal Toolkit and Lunch Hour Legal Marketing about what lawyers, especially small firm and solo lawyers, need to know about running their own firm. As one might expect, the discussion takes some twists and turns before ending up on the...

Aug 21, 2015
Is The Office Thermostat Sexist?

Joe chats with Kat Griffin of Corporette about women’s professional fashion, the confusion of business casual and whether office temperatures unfairly target women.

Aug 10, 2015
Legal Feud

Joe and Elie take a break from the usual format to face off in a trivia challenge. Do you know your constitutional amendments? How about your Supreme Court history? Play along at home.

Jul 9, 2015
One Robe, One Vote

Elie and Joe speak to Rick Hasen, professor at UC Irvine and author of Election Law Blog. Professor Hasen explains the recent Supreme Court redistricting case, future cases regarding voting rights, and talks about the relationship between the Roberts Court and disenfranchisement. Joe argues for hope while it seems like Elie believes we should be...

Jun 25, 2015
Free-Range Parenting

Joe and Elie talk to Matthew Dowd, a partner at Andrews Kurth. Dowd famously represents the Meitiv family, the parents (now cleared) of child neglect charges for allowing their children, 10 and 6, to walk through their neighborhood unattended. Elie expresses concern over letting children roam free, while Joe thinks independence is key to building...

Jun 11, 2015
Law And The Marvel Universe

Elie and Joe chat with Joshua Gilliland and Jessica Mederson of The Legal Geeks about their legal careers and the legal issues surrounding the Marvel Cinematic Universe. Recorded immediately before the release of Avengers 2, they speculate on the legal issues that arise in building genocidal robots, cleaning up the aftermath of superpowered mayhem, and just how...

May 28, 2015
2015 Law School Rankings Revealed!

Elie and Joe talk with Brian Dalton, Research Director at Above the Law, about the 2015 law school rankings published by Above the Law. The annual ranking of the Top 50 law schools in the country boasts some surprising shakeups at the top. After discussing the latest rankings, the gang discusses what really matters: what...

May 6, 2015
The Network: How Does The Law End Up On Television?

Elie and Joe sit down with Maria de Cesare, a lawyer from a major cable network, to talk about the fabulous life of an entertainment lawyer. After she stops crying, we figure out whether you should be jailed for killing a zombie, or a clone of yourself.

Apr 22, 2015
Up, Up, Down, Down, Sue, Sue: The Law of Video Games

Elie and Joe sit down with Ryan Morrison, aka The Video Game Attorney, to discuss the emerging legal issues in the video game industry and just how many genocide treaties humans breach in every video game ever.

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Elie Mystal

Elie Mystal is the Managing Editor of Above the Law Redline and the Editor-At-Large of Breaking Media. He’s appeared...

Joe Patrice

Joe Patrice is an Editor at Above the Law. For over a decade, he practiced as a litigator at...