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Thinking Like A Lawyer is a podcast featuring Above the Law’s Elie Mystal and Joe Patrice. Each episode, the hosts will take a topic experienced and enjoyed by regular people, and shine it through the prism of a legal framework. This will either reveal an awesome rainbow of thought, or a disorienting kaleidoscope of issues. Either way, it should be fun.

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Jul 10, 2018
I’m Off A Boat

Joe and Elie talk about Vinson & Elkins partner fleeing the scene after swimming away from a boat crash and their thoughts on the topic.

Jul 3, 2018
Anthony Kennedy Retires — What’s Next

Joe and Elie chat with David Lat about Justice Anthony Kennedy’s announced retirement.

Jun 28, 2018
The Dumbest Law School Exam Question Ever

In today's episode, Elie and Joe discuss some of the worst law school exam questions.

Jun 21, 2018
The 2018 Top 50 Law Schools

Brian Dalton join Elie and Joe to discuss Above the Law's annual ranking of the top law schools in America.

Jun 12, 2018
Baby Making Music

Ellen Trachman discusses artificial insemination, custody conundrums, and how twins can be citizens of different countries.

Jun 8, 2018
Emergency Podcast: Milbank Raises Salaries

Joe and Elie talk about Milbank raising associates salaries, what's happening and what this could mean for the industry at large.

May 23, 2018
Prenuptials, Post-nuptials, And No Judgements

Lisa Green talks about Trump family nuptials, and some common pitfalls in the asset protection game.

May 8, 2018
How To Decide On A Law School: We Answer Even More Questions

Elie and Joe answer listeners questions about law school and which one to choose and eliminate.

Apr 27, 2018
Where Should You Go To Law School?

Join Joe and Elie as they discuss about the different types of law school and narrow the list for prospective law students.

Apr 10, 2018
The Harrowing World Of Cybersecurity

Elie and Joe discuss with Joshua Lenon about global cybersecurity threats and what lawyers can do about them -- for both themselves and their clients.

Feb 23, 2018
ATL Set To Unveil New Ranking — What In-House Counsel Really Think About Law Firms

Above the Law Research Director Brian Dalton talks about ATL's law firm brand rankings based on an extensive survey of in-house counsel and what clients are looking for in a law firm.

Feb 2, 2018
Debt and Destruction

Jordan Weissman talks about Trump's plans to change the nature of student debt, how Elie finally paid off his educational debt, and concussions in the NFL.

Jan 19, 2018
Cryptocurrency At The Crossroads

Thornton McEnery talks about the cryptocurrency market, the role of big banks in the crypto landscape and what's on the horizon in the U.S. and abroad to regulate the market.

Dec 29, 2017
The Second Annual Thinking Like A Lawyer Awards Gala

On this star-studded evening, Joe Patrice and Elie Mystal honored the best — and by that they mean the worst — of the year in law.

Nov 30, 2017
From Biglaw To Producing Hit Shows — A Discussion with Jonathan Shapiro

Jonathan Shapiro talks about how a lawyer breaks into Hollywood and how penning lines for James Spader differs from practicing law.

Nov 27, 2017
2018 Legal Technology Predictions

Ransomware attacks, data disasters, robot lawyers... Jeff Ton talks about what's on the horizon for technology in 2018.

Oct 31, 2017
Is It Okay To Talk About Women In Law Now?

Elie and Joe talk with Above the Law's Kathryn Rubino about the challenges faced by women who go into Biglaw.

Oct 19, 2017
How To Explain The World To Non-Lawyers

Joe and Elie talk to Cristian Farias about producing a legal podcast non-lawyers listen to, and explaining the Supreme Court to a law audience.

Sep 19, 2017
Finding Your Career Starts Now, 1L

In this legal podcast about law school, Ray English discusses when law students should start finding a job.

Sep 6, 2017
Turning Your Law Degree Into Writing About College Football

How does one go from practicing law to writing about football? Hear from Ryan Nanni in this legal podcast.

Aug 16, 2017
Election Law Takes Center Stage

In this Above the Law podcast, Richard Hasen talks about the voting rights and redistricting battles being waged at the nation's highest courts.

Jul 31, 2017
How Hulk Hogan Ruined America

Brian Knappenberger discusses his documentary about the Hulk Hogan vs. Gawker case, Nobody Speak: Trials of the Free Press

Jul 19, 2017
Supreme Court Wrap-Up

In this Above the Law podcast, Tejinder Singh discusses the relatively sleepy Supreme Court Term.

Jun 30, 2017
Supreme Court Betting On New Jersey

This legal podcast discusses the Supreme Court's decision to challenge the the Professional and Amateur Sports Protection Act (PASPA).

Jun 15, 2017
Harvard’s Accepting The GRE — How Much Should You Freak Out?

This legal podcast looks at whether law schools should accept the GRE and the potential effect of this decision.

May 31, 2017
2017 Law School Rankings

Elie and Joe discuss the 2017 Above the Law law school rankings and the ATL methodology with special guest Brian Dalton, Above the Law's Director of Research.

May 25, 2017
Bar Exam Woes

As a new crop of law school graduates prepares for the bar exam, Joe and Elie talk to James Mullen of Law School HQ about the “last test you’ll ever take.” What is a “UBE” and is it a good development? Why are so many people struggling to pass the bar? And, really, what’s California’s...

Apr 28, 2017
The Police Have An Image Problem… And This Isn’t Helping

This legal podcast discusses whether using cops for promposals is counterproductive in improving people's view of police.

Apr 21, 2017
Let Us Tell You Where You Should Go To Law School

Joe and Elie open the mailbag and answer questions from listeners trying to decide where to go to law school.

Mar 24, 2017
Why Did You Go There?

Joe and Elie discuss how they chose their law schools, and how others should do what they say, not necessarily what they did.

Mar 10, 2017
When Your Accounting Firm Messes Up

On this episode, PwC's Oscars mistake and why they still won't get fired.

Feb 24, 2017
Biglaw Steps Up for Child Coming To America

Willkie Farr's representation of Alma Kashkooli, a 12-year-old Iranian girl coming to the U.S. for surgery in the midst of the administration's travel ban.

Jan 19, 2017
The Fashion Police

Elie and Joe talk about Apple, Samsung, knock offs, child labor, Melania Trump, and open toed shoes… in that order… with Fashionista editor Tyler McCall.

Dec 30, 2016
Awards For The Lawyer In Your Life

In this legal podcast from the Above the Law blog editors, Elie and Joe award those in the legal industry who entertained us this year.

Dec 22, 2016
Bonuses And Bowls

Joe and ATL Editor Kathryn Rubino discuss Biglaw bonus season as firms place the final cherry atop associate compensation after a tumultuous year of raises.

Nov 30, 2016
Freedom Of The Press In Trump’s America

Libel law expert and former Bloomberg Global Media Counsel Charles Glasser talks about the future of the press.

Nov 18, 2016
Private Practice Tools and Tech Roundup

Joe and Elie talk to fellow ATL editor David Lat about the recent APP Conference in Philadelphia bringing together practitioners and thought leaders to discuss the future of legal practice. And Elie and Joe argue about public schools.

Oct 24, 2016
What’s Up With The Philadelphia Market?

Joe and Elie discuss the Philadelphia legal market with attorney Steven Silver.

Oct 10, 2016
Supreme Court Preview: Waiting For Garland

Elie and Joe chat with SCOTUSBlog contributor and Supreme Court litigator Tejinder Singh about the upcoming Supreme Court Term. The docket lacks the blockbuster issues of past years, but there are still some critical cases pending before the 8-member Court.

Sep 30, 2016
Is LegalZoom Ruining The Legal Profession Or Enhancing It?

Joe Patrice brings on Chad Burton and Nicole Bradick of CuroLegal to cohost a wide-ranging discussion with LegalZoom General Counsel Chas Rampenthal.

Aug 31, 2016
Access and Name Dropping

Joe and Elie debate the Clinton Foundation, back to school issues, and the efficacy of taking classes with “famous” professors, just so you can name drop at parties.

Aug 11, 2016
Pokémon’s Evolving Legal Landscape

Joe and Elie chat with attorney Drew Rossow, author of Gotta Catch... A Lawsuit?, about the legal challenges surrounding Pokémon Go.

Jul 28, 2016
Law Firm Salary Extravaganza

Elie and Joe chat with Professor Bill Henderson, an expert in legal industry economics, to discuss the recent increase in associate salaries.

Jun 15, 2016
Summertime In Law Firms

From summer associate etiquette to proper lunching locations, to living as a full-time associate in a world of summers, Joe Patrice and Kathryn Rubino discuss how to tackle the summer and reminisce about their own summer adventures.

Jun 6, 2016
Unveiling The 2016 Top 50 Law Schools

Joe and Elie chat with Research Director Brian Dalton about the latest law school rankings from Above the Law and trends in legal education. Do you want to know where you should go to law school? Do you just want bragging rights over your colleagues from rival schools? Either way this podcast is for you.

Apr 26, 2016
Making A Murderer’s Dean Strang On Criminal Justice

Joe and Elie chat with Dean Strang, the breakout legal star — if that’s the right word for a documentary — of Netflix’s Making A Murderer. Along with attorney Steven Chung, the gang chats with Strang about the state of the criminal justice system and the persistent plague of prosecutorial overreach.

Apr 7, 2016
The Hulk Hogan Leg Drop On The First Amendment

Elie Mystal and First Amendment Lawyer Marc Randazza talk about the Hulk Hogan verdict, the right to be forgotten, and how Europe seems to be getting along just fine without ruining everybody's Google footprints.

Mar 14, 2016
The Future and Past of the Supreme Court

Elie and Joe talk to Professor Peter Irons about Justice Scalia’s vacancy and the often very personal stories of the people who bring their cases to the United States Supreme Court. Listen to Elie’s mind being blown in real-time by a personal account of the life of Fred Korematsu. Peter Irons is the author of numerous...

Feb 18, 2016
Everything You Wanted To Know About That Drone Spying Outside Your Bedroom Window

Elie and Joe talk with a drone law expert about the expanding rights of drones and the diminishing rights of property owners who want to stop them. Steven Hogan is an associate with the law firm Ausley & McMullen and practices in the areas of commercial litigation and state and federal tax law. Before joining...

Feb 9, 2016
Election Law Pitfalls Of Presidential Primaries

Joe and Elie chat with election law expert Professor Rick Hasen about the Iowa Caucuses, Ted Cruz’s infamous mailer, and Citizens United as the presidential election kicks into gear.

Your Hosts
Elie Mystal

Elie Mystal is the Managing Editor of Above the Law Redline and the Editor-At-Large of Breaking Media. He’s appeared...

Joe Patrice

Joe Patrice is an Editor at Above the Law. For over a decade, he practiced as a litigator at...

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