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Thinking Like a Lawyer - Above the Law
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Thinking Like a Lawyer - Above the Law

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Thinking Like A Lawyer is a podcast featuring Above the Law’s Elie Mystal and Joe Patrice. Each episode, the hosts will take a topic experienced and enjoyed by regular people, and shine it through the prism of a legal framework. This will either reveal an awesome rainbow of thought, or a disorienting kaleidoscope of issues. Either way, it should be fun.

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Apr 16, 2019

Biglaw Continues To Struggle With Gender Equity

Kathryn Rubino joins Joe to discuss the recent lowlights in Biglaw gender equity.

Mar 26, 2019

The Odd Couple

After George Conway's most recent salvo against Donald Trump, Joe and Elie discuss the curious relationship of the senior Wachtell lawyer and Trump's senior aide.

Mar 19, 2019

Giving It The Old College Scam Try

Joe and Elie take a dive into the college admissions scandal going on with celebrities and their children.

Mar 15, 2019

Bonus Podcast: Prosecution v. Defense and the Realities of ‘Proven Innocent’

Jerry Buting and Jackie Maloney debate about the prosecution versus defense and how the portrayals on FOX TV’s ‘Proven Innocent’ compare to reality.

Mar 12, 2019

Law School Rankings Recap

Joe and Elie discuss the US News and World Report law school rankings and breaks down who's on top and who's making big moves -- both good and bad -- in this year's rankings.

Feb 22, 2019

Bonus Podcast: Exploring The Tragedy Of Wrongful Convictions At The Heart Of FOX’s ‘Proven Innocent.’

FOX's "Proven Innocent" creator David Elliot, California Innocence Project managing attorney Michael Semanchik, and real-life exoneree Jason Strong, talk about wrongful convictions and the inspiration behind the new show.

Feb 19, 2019

Democracy Is Troublingly Fragile

Ian Bassin, the Executive Director of Protect Democracy, talks about the pressing task of defending democratic institutions from authoritarianism.

Feb 15, 2019

Bonus Podcast: Proven Innocent

Executive producer Danny Strong talks about the new legal drama “Proven Innocent” and what drew him to the subject of wrongful convictions.

Feb 13, 2019

The Michael Avenatti Interview

Joe and Elie welcome Michael Avenatti to talk about him challenging Michael Cohen and Donald Trump over their treatment of his client, as well as his thoughts on the 2020 presidential candidates.

Feb 5, 2019

The Future Is Now

Joe and Elie attended the Legaltech NY conference, as well as talked about the future of law and the future of law conferences.

Jan 29, 2019

They Don’t Get PR Flacks

Elie and Joe have thoughts about the media's willingness to cave to every request of a public relations firm.

Jan 22, 2019

The Best (Lawyer) A Man Can Get — Not Rudy

Elie and Joe talk about Rudy Giuliani's bizarre turn from respected former prosecutor and stealth layoffs appearing in the Biglaw world again.

Jan 15, 2019

On Emojis And Shutdowns

Joe and Elie talk about the acceptability of emojis in workplace communication and the slow death of the Department of Justice under the weight of the shutdown.

Jan 8, 2019

Happy New Year! Everything’s Awful

Joe Patrice and Kathryn Rubino cover stuff as well as New Year's "bliss".

Dec 18, 2018

Should Christmas Eve Be A Firm Holiday?

Joe and Elie discuss the major headlines in law firm news.

Dec 11, 2018

The Future Of The Law Firm

Elie and Joe talk to Ralph Baxter about the future of the legal industry.

Dec 5, 2018

Getting Inside A Judge’s Head

Josh Becker of LexisNexis talks about the release of Context, a new tool that delivers deep insights into judicial idiosyncracies by analyzing the language of their body of work.

Nov 27, 2018

Thanksgiving Break

Joe is left solo to make a few announcements about upcoming opportunities with the Above the Law team.

Nov 20, 2018

It’s Finals Week for Law Students!

Joe and Elie give their best tips on how to prepare for law school finals week.

Nov 13, 2018

A Wild Week In Law School News

Joe and Elie check in on what's happening with law schools these days.

Nov 6, 2018

The Rise Of The Freelance Lawyer

Greg Garman and Talitha Gray talk about their platform, Lawclerk, and how they help efficiently match freelancers with small shops needing a dose of expertise.

Oct 30, 2018

New Law School Rankings, The Plight Of The Managing Partner, And In-House Work In The #MeToo Era

Joe and Elie recap the top legal stories of last week.

Oct 23, 2018

Law School Campuses In The Wake Of Kavanaugh

Melissa Murray discusses her reaction to student walk-outs and protests and dives into the overall mood on law school campuses these days.

Oct 16, 2018

Fighting For The Innocent

Mark Godsey discusses his conversion to an advocate for the wrongfully convicted and his grasp of the psychology that consistently lands the wrong people in prison.

Oct 9, 2018

Getting Paid As A Lawyer Really Shouldn’t Be So Hard

Sarah Schaff discusses her legal career and how she's shifted to become an entrepreneur with a product that helps attorneys collect on their bills within hours instead of months.

Oct 2, 2018

The Kavanaugh Hearings Were Something Else, Weren’t They

Joe Patrice and Kathryn Rubino talk about the Kavanaugh hearings, recapping the morning testimony of Christine Blasey Ford and discuss the Kavanaugh opening statement in all its ripe-for-SNL-parody glory.

Sep 25, 2018

The Changing Legal Office

Haresh Bhungalia and David Carns talk about the legal technology landscape, Casepoint, and how each are changing the legal workflow.

Sep 18, 2018

Transparency In The Courts

Andrew Eisbrouch and Jesse Weber talk about the Guys Who Law podcast and the Law & Crime network and why broadcasting live courtroom telecasts can inform the public about the judicial system.

Sep 11, 2018

The Kavanaugh Confirmation Hearings

Joe and Elie review the week that was in the Kavanaugh confirmation fight.

Sep 4, 2018

Step Inside The Octagon — Law And MMA

Jason Cruz explains the lawsuit against Conor McGregor for throwing cans into the crowd.

Aug 28, 2018

Just How Smart Are You?

Joe and Elie play trivia to ask some bar questions that will benefit the DC Bar Pro Bono Project.

Aug 21, 2018

A Banner Week For Legal Gossip

Kathryn Rubino talks about Tiffany Trump's alleged law school woes and the life of Wachtell's George Conway as he navigates his days married to Kellyanne.

Aug 14, 2018

Mastering On-Campus Interviewing

Elie and Joe are joined today with Nick Alexiou to discuss the on-campus interviewing process.

Aug 8, 2018

Ohio State Football… A Quick Primer On Internal Investigations

Joe and Elie give a quick, high-level rundown on the internal investigation process and Ohio State's situation.

Jul 31, 2018

Above the Law Goes To The Movies

In today's episode, Joe gives his input on movies that have legal mistakes in them.

Jul 24, 2018

The Danger Of For-Profit Law Schools

Joe and Elie talk with guest Dr. Riaz Tejani to join their show as they talk about the dangers of for-profit Law Schools.

Jul 17, 2018

How The Media Miffed Brett Kavanaugh’s Nomination

Tune in as Joe and Elie discuss the Supreme Court nominee, Judge Brett Kavanaugh and what changes they believe could happen.

Jul 10, 2018

I’m Off A Boat

Joe and Elie talk about Vinson & Elkins partner fleeing the scene after swimming away from a boat crash and their thoughts on the topic.

Jul 3, 2018

Anthony Kennedy Retires — What’s Next

Joe and Elie chat with David Lat about Justice Anthony Kennedy’s announced retirement.

Jun 28, 2018

The Dumbest Law School Exam Question Ever

In today's episode, Elie and Joe discuss some of the worst law school exam questions.

Jun 21, 2018

The 2018 Top 50 Law Schools

Brian Dalton join Elie and Joe to discuss Above the Law's annual ranking of the top law schools in America.

Jun 12, 2018

Baby Making Music

Ellen Trachman discusses artificial insemination, custody conundrums, and how twins can be citizens of different countries.

Jun 8, 2018

Emergency Podcast: Milbank Raises Salaries

Joe and Elie talk about Milbank raising associates salaries, what's happening and what this could mean for the industry at large.

May 23, 2018

Prenuptials, Post-nuptials, And No Judgements

Lisa Green talks about Trump family nuptials, and some common pitfalls in the asset protection game.

May 8, 2018

How To Decide On A Law School: We Answer Even More Questions

Elie and Joe answer listeners questions about law school and which one to choose and eliminate.

Apr 27, 2018

Where Should You Go To Law School?

Join Joe and Elie as they discuss about the different types of law school and narrow the list for prospective law students.

Apr 10, 2018

The Harrowing World Of Cybersecurity

Elie and Joe discuss with Joshua Lenon about global cybersecurity threats and what lawyers can do about them -- for both themselves and their clients.

Feb 23, 2018

ATL Set To Unveil New Ranking — What In-House Counsel Really Think About Law Firms

Above the Law Research Director Brian Dalton talks about ATL's law firm brand rankings based on an extensive survey of in-house counsel and what clients are looking for in a law firm.

Feb 2, 2018

Debt and Destruction

Jordan Weissman talks about Trump's plans to change the nature of student debt, how Elie finally paid off his educational debt, and concussions in the NFL.

Jan 19, 2018

Cryptocurrency At The Crossroads

Thornton McEnery talks about the cryptocurrency market, the role of big banks in the crypto landscape and what's on the horizon in the U.S. and abroad to regulate the market.

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Elie Mystal

Elie Mystal is the Managing Editor of Above the Law Redline and the Editor-At-Large of Breaking Media. He’s appeared...

Joe Patrice

Joe Patrice is an Editor at Above the Law. For over a decade, he practiced as a litigator at...

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