Joe Patrice

Joe Patrice

Host of Thinking Like a Lawyer - Above the Law

Joe Patrice is an Editor at Above the Law. For over a decade, he practiced as a litigator at both Cleary, Gottlieb, Steen & Hamilton and Lankler Siffert & Wohl, representing a variety of individuals, institutions, and foreign sovereigns in criminal and civil matters. Then Joe left private practice to concentrate on making snide remarks about other lawyers which is at least as fulfilling as motion practice.

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July 19, 2017
Supreme Court Wrap-Up

In this Above the Law podcast, Tejinder Singh discusses the relatively sleepy Supreme Court Term.

June 30, 2017
Supreme Court Betting On New Jersey

This legal podcast discusses the Supreme Court's decision to challenge the the Professional and Amateur Sports Protection Act (PASPA).

June 15, 2017
Harvard’s Accepting The GRE — How Much Should You Freak Out?

This legal podcast looks at whether law schools should accept the GRE and the potential effect of this decision.

May 31, 2017
2017 Law School Rankings

Elie and Joe discuss the 2017 Above the Law law school rankings and the ATL methodology with special guest Brian Dalton, Above the Law's Director of Research.

May 25, 2017
Bar Exam Woes

As a new crop of law school graduates prepares for the bar exam, Joe and Elie talk to James Mullen of Law School HQ about the “last test you’ll ever take.” What is a “UBE” and is it a good development? Why are so many people struggling to pass the bar? And, really, what’s California’s...

April 28, 2017
The Police Have An Image Problem… And This Isn’t Helping

This legal podcast discusses whether using cops for promposals is counterproductive in improving people's view of police.

April 21, 2017
Let Us Tell You Where You Should Go To Law School

Joe and Elie open the mailbag and answer questions from listeners trying to decide where to go to law school.

March 24, 2017
Why Did You Go There?

Joe and Elie discuss how they chose their law schools, and how others should do what they say, not necessarily what they did.

March 10, 2017
When Your Accounting Firm Messes Up

On this episode, PwC's Oscars mistake and why they still won't get fired.

February 24, 2017
Biglaw Steps Up for Child Coming To America

Willkie Farr's representation of Alma Kashkooli, a 12-year-old Iranian girl coming to the U.S. for surgery in the midst of the administration's travel ban.

January 19, 2017
The Fashion Police

Elie and Joe talk about Apple, Samsung, knock offs, child labor, Melania Trump, and open toed shoes… in that order… with Fashionista editor Tyler McCall.

December 30, 2016
Awards For The Lawyer In Your Life

In this legal podcast from the Above the Law blog editors, Elie and Joe award those in the legal industry who entertained us this year.

December 22, 2016
Bonuses And Bowls

Joe and ATL Editor Kathryn Rubino discuss Biglaw bonus season as firms place the final cherry atop associate compensation after a tumultuous year of raises.

November 2, 2016
ATL APP 2016: Don’t Believe the Hype: Cybersecurity and the Cloud

Professional advantages of cloud based technologies and steps lawyers can take to mitigate the cybersecurity risks these technologies expose them to.

November 2, 2016
ATL APP 2016: Choosing a Practice Management Platform

Bob Ambrogi discusses cloud based practice management software and what lawyers should consider when choosing a program that is right for them.

November 1, 2016
ATL APP 2016: The Law Office 2026

“Roads? Where we’re going, we don’t need any roads!” – Emmett Lathrop Brown, Ph.D.” The modern practice of law is a profession that has seen rapid change with increased globalization and the acceptance of emergent legal technologies. What will the modern law firm look like in the near future if this growth persists? In this...

November 1, 2016
ATL APP 2016: Yes, You Are Competing With LegalZoom

Joe Patrice, Dan Lear, Larry Port, and Chad Burton discuss the importance of leveraging legal technology and the dangers to your business if you don’t.

October 28, 2016
ATL APP 2016: Creating Error-Free Contracts

Contract preparation, Paper Software which was developed to improve the drafting process, and the tools technology brings to the legal marketplace.

October 28, 2016
ATL APP 2016: Media Training and Storytelling

Tips and best practices for attorneys looking to more effectively communicate with the media.

October 24, 2016
What’s Up With The Philadelphia Market?

Joe and Elie discuss the Philadelphia legal market with attorney Steven Silver.

October 10, 2016
Supreme Court Preview: Waiting For Garland

Elie and Joe chat with SCOTUSBlog contributor and Supreme Court litigator Tejinder Singh about the upcoming Supreme Court Term. The docket lacks the blockbuster issues of past years, but there are still some critical cases pending before the 8-member Court.

September 30, 2016
Is LegalZoom Ruining The Legal Profession Or Enhancing It?

Joe Patrice brings on Chad Burton and Nicole Bradick of CuroLegal to cohost a wide-ranging discussion with LegalZoom General Counsel Chas Rampenthal.

September 21, 2016
Clio Cloud 2016: Tech Competence in the Modern Law Firm

A discussion on lawyer proficiency with currently available technology and the often overlooked skills gap present within the legal industry.

September 21, 2016
Clio Cloud 2016: Leveraging Tech to Compete with Big Law

Employing smart technology, what tech does for the legal environment, and the potential for small law and solos to step up in the marketplace.

September 20, 2016
Clio Cloud 2016: Sharing Legal Trends Gathered with Clio

Rian Gauvreau on refinements coming to the software and collected legal trends that could help attorneys improve their law firms and legal practices.

August 31, 2016
Access and Name Dropping

Joe and Elie debate the Clinton Foundation, back to school issues, and the efficacy of taking classes with “famous” professors, just so you can name drop at parties.

August 12, 2016
ABA Annual Meeting 2016: What’s Next? Tech’s Top Counsel Reveal All

Joe Patrice interviews chair and former chair of ABA Section of Science & Technology Law, Cynthia Cwik and Heather Rafter, at the 2016 ABA Annual Meeting.

August 12, 2016
ABA Annual Meeting 2016: North Carolina Voter and Election Laws After Shelby

Joe Patrice interviews North Carolina House of Representatives Speaker Pro Tempore Paul Stam about post-shelby voter and election laws.

August 11, 2016
Pokémon’s Evolving Legal Landscape

Joe and Elie chat with attorney Drew Rossow, author of Gotta Catch... A Lawsuit?, about the legal challenges surrounding Pokémon Go.

August 11, 2016
ABA Annual Meeting 2016: The Global Immigration Crisis

Joe Patrice speaks with Holly Cooper and Elisa Massimino about their conference panel covering legal issues surrounding the world immigration crisis.

August 11, 2016
ABA Annual Meeting 2016: Emerging issues in Law Enforcement and National Security

Joe Patrice speaks with Gilman Louie, Marc Rotenberg, and Harvey Rishikof about emergent technology’s effect on law enforcement and national security.

August 10, 2016
ABA Annual Meeting 2016: America Votes

Joe Patrice interviews C. Robert Heath and Ben Griffith, contributing authors to the book “America Votes! A Guide to Modern Election Law and Voting Rights.”

August 9, 2016
ABA Annual Meeting 2016: The Current State of the Supreme Court

Joe Patrice talks with Rachel Moran and Nicole Austin-Hillery about the current state of the Supreme Court.

August 9, 2016
ABA Annual Meeting 2016: Driverless Cars

Joe Patrice interviews Bryant Walker Smith, Laura Ruettgers, and Stephen Wu about their conference presentation on driverless cars.

August 8, 2016
ABA Annual Meeting 2016: Zika Virus

Joe Patrice interviews two Zika experts, Captain Ken Dominguez and James Hodge about why funding is the major hangup in American preparation for dealing with this virus.

July 28, 2016
Law Firm Salary Extravaganza

Elie and Joe chat with Professor Bill Henderson, an expert in legal industry economics, to discuss the recent increase in associate salaries.

June 15, 2016
Summertime In Law Firms

From summer associate etiquette to proper lunching locations, to living as a full-time associate in a world of summers, Joe Patrice and Kathryn Rubino discuss how to tackle the summer and reminisce about their own summer adventures.

June 6, 2016
Unveiling The 2016 Top 50 Law Schools

Joe and Elie chat with Research Director Brian Dalton about the latest law school rankings from Above the Law and trends in legal education. Do you want to know where you should go to law school? Do you just want bragging rights over your colleagues from rival schools? Either way this podcast is for you.

April 26, 2016
Making A Murderer’s Dean Strang On Criminal Justice

Joe and Elie chat with Dean Strang, the breakout legal star — if that’s the right word for a documentary — of Netflix’s Making A Murderer. Along with attorney Steven Chung, the gang chats with Strang about the state of the criminal justice system and the persistent plague of prosecutorial overreach.

March 14, 2016
The Future and Past of the Supreme Court

Elie and Joe talk to Professor Peter Irons about Justice Scalia’s vacancy and the often very personal stories of the people who bring their cases to the United States Supreme Court. Listen to Elie’s mind being blown in real-time by a personal account of the life of Fred Korematsu. Peter Irons is the author of numerous...

March 4, 2016
ABA Midyear Meeting 2016: Federal Rules of Civil Procedure Update Tour

Fenwick & West civil practitioner Laurence Pulgram and Schoeman Updike & Kaufman complex litigator Beth Kaufman stop by to discuss amendments that were made to the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure in this Special Report. In 2010, at a symposium at Duke University, rule amendments to improve civil litigation were proposed and over 2,300 individuals...

February 18, 2016
Everything You Wanted To Know About That Drone Spying Outside Your Bedroom Window

Elie and Joe talk with a drone law expert about the expanding rights of drones and the diminishing rights of property owners who want to stop them. Steven Hogan is an associate with the law firm Ausley & McMullen and practices in the areas of commercial litigation and state and federal tax law. Before joining...

February 9, 2016
Election Law Pitfalls Of Presidential Primaries

Joe and Elie chat with election law expert Professor Rick Hasen about the Iowa Caucuses, Ted Cruz’s infamous mailer, and Citizens United as the presidential election kicks into gear.

January 5, 2016
Slave Wars

Do Droids have rights in the Star Wars universe? Are they “pets?” Does Jabba’s treatment of droids reveal him to be more evil than the Empire? Spoilers follow.

December 22, 2015
A World Without Affirmative Action

With the Court seemingly poised to strike down affirmative-action in Fisher v. Texas, Elie, Joe and Renwei Chung debate how we got here and the future of diversity in higher education.

November 23, 2015
Here Comes The Bride… And The Lawyers

Elie and Joe chat with Robert Schenk of Schenk Smith and proprietor of the Wedding Industry Law Blog about the oft-overlooked legal minefield that is getting married. Venues, vendors, and “DJ-Gate” loom large as Schenk explains how he found this niche and used it to build his small firm practice.

November 9, 2015
The Customer Is Always A Sucker: Law School Economics

Joe and Elie chat with Slate Senior Business and Economics correspondent Jordan Weissmann about the economics of law schools. From Northwestern renaming itself for a huge endowment to a law professor taking to the media to say he sees no problem taking tuition from students who will never be able to practice, the economics of...

October 26, 2015
Why Lawyers Are Good At Sex

Joe and Elie chat with Gary Ross of Jackson Ross about starting your own firm, the unique challenges of transactional small law, and his blockbuster Above the Law column about legal sexual prowess.

October 19, 2015
How To Debate For Your Job

Joe and Elie talk with Vanderbilt Career Services Officer Nick Alexiou about the legal job market, and the presidential job market.

October 9, 2015
ATL APP: What is Above the Law’s Academy for Private Practice?

If you’re curious as to why Above The Law would start its Academy for Private Practice, you’re not alone. After all, they’ve certainly made their way cozying up to Biglaw and its outtakes. So why start an online resource to help those who wish to practice in a small firm or solo? In this Special...

October 9, 2015
ATL APP: Blogging, Social Media, and Security

The age-old question of whether lawyers should be blogging presents itself again at Above the Law’s Academy for Private Practice. In this Special Report, conference panelists Jeff Bennion, Jeena Cho, and Lisa Solomon talk with Thinking Like A Lawyer hosts Elie Mystal and Joe Patrice during the event. Together, they discuss which lawyers should blog...

October 9, 2015
ATL APP: Managing Solo Practice Workflow with Technology

Being a solo practitioner is not easy. It is important for solo and small firm lawyers to ask questions about management and marketing in order to succeed. In this two part interview from Above the Law’s Academy for Private Practice conference, Joe Patrice talks to Jared Correia, Nikki Black, Carolyn Elefant, and Jennifer Ellis about...

October 9, 2015
ATL APP: Luncheon Remarks by Monica Bay

In this Special Report, Joe Patrice and Elie Mystal talk with former editor in chief of Law Technology News Monica Bay. Together, they discuss her 30+ year collection of observations about the legal profession and technology, the shrinking prominence of equity partners, non-representation of clients in civil matters, and how things fall into place when...

October 9, 2015
ATL APP: First Thing’s First…

For many leaving the big firm to start their own legal practices, certain administrative tasks and overhead expenses can be a big surprise. What used to be automatic and perhaps taken for granted now becomes part of the weekly grind. Fortunately, there are affordable and scalable services that can put needed help into place. In...

October 9, 2015
ATL APP: Thinking Like a Lawyer and Thinking Like a Person

Fastcase founder Ed Walters goes introspective about sapere vedere on this Special Report with Joe Patrice and Elie Mystal. Simply put, sapere vedere means learning to see. In it, Ed recalls the lessons learned from his high school art teacher and applies them to legal practice. Attorneys should remember the viewpoint of others when they...

October 2, 2015
Supreme Court Preview: Revenge of the Roberts!

Elie and Joe complain about the media’s abysmal coverage of court cases before previewing the upcoming Supreme Court Term with a real-life Supreme Court litigator, Tejinder Singh, a partner at Goldstein & Russell (http://www.goldsteinrussell.com/attorneys/tejinder-singh/) and contributor to SCOTUSBlog. What’s next for the Supreme Court? If you said, “a lot of pro-business decisions” you’re probably right!

September 14, 2015
SportsBall

Elie and Joe talk with Steve Silver of The Legal Blitz about all the off the field problems associated with “OMG I think that’s brain coming out of his ear”-Ball.

August 31, 2015
Kit-Kats, X-Files, And Starting Your Own Firm

Joe talks to Jared Correia, Assistant Director and Senior Law Practice Advisor at LOMAP and host of Legal Talk Network’s Legal Toolkit and Lunch Hour Legal Marketing about what lawyers, especially small firm and solo lawyers, need to know about running their own firm. As one might expect, the discussion takes some twists and turns before ending up on the...

August 21, 2015
Is The Office Thermostat Sexist?

Joe chats with Kat Griffin of Corporette about women’s professional fashion, the confusion of business casual and whether office temperatures unfairly target women.

August 10, 2015
Legal Feud

Joe and Elie take a break from the usual format to face off in a trivia challenge. Do you know your constitutional amendments? How about your Supreme Court history? Play along at home.

July 9, 2015
One Robe, One Vote

Elie and Joe speak to Rick Hasen, professor at UC Irvine and author of Election Law Blog. Professor Hasen explains the recent Supreme Court redistricting case, future cases regarding voting rights, and talks about the relationship between the Roberts Court and disenfranchisement. Joe argues for hope while it seems like Elie believes we should be...

June 25, 2015
Free-Range Parenting

Joe and Elie talk to Matthew Dowd, a partner at Andrews Kurth. Dowd famously represents the Meitiv family, the parents (now cleared) of child neglect charges for allowing their children, 10 and 6, to walk through their neighborhood unattended. Elie expresses concern over letting children roam free, while Joe thinks independence is key to building...

June 11, 2015
Law And The Marvel Universe

Elie and Joe chat with Joshua Gilliland and Jessica Mederson of The Legal Geeks about their legal careers and the legal issues surrounding the Marvel Cinematic Universe. Recorded immediately before the release of Avengers 2, they speculate on the legal issues that arise in building genocidal robots, cleaning up the aftermath of superpowered mayhem, and just how...

May 28, 2015
2015 Law School Rankings Revealed!

Elie and Joe talk with Brian Dalton, Research Director at Above the Law, about the 2015 law school rankings published by Above the Law. The annual ranking of the Top 50 law schools in the country boasts some surprising shakeups at the top. After discussing the latest rankings, the gang discusses what really matters: what...

May 6, 2015
The Network: How Does The Law End Up On Television?

Elie and Joe sit down with Maria de Cesare, a lawyer from a major cable network, to talk about the fabulous life of an entertainment lawyer. After she stops crying, we figure out whether you should be jailed for killing a zombie, or a clone of yourself.

April 22, 2015
Up, Up, Down, Down, Sue, Sue: The Law of Video Games

Elie and Joe sit down with Ryan Morrison, aka The Video Game Attorney, to discuss the emerging legal issues in the video game industry and just how many genocide treaties humans breach in every video game ever.

March 12, 2015
Daddy Needs A New Pair Of Shoes!

It’s March Madness time. Or, as a person with a rudimentary respect for trademark laws would say, “It’s  time for the NCAA Mens College Basketball Tournament.” In this episode, we take a look at running an office bracket pool. But it turns out that gambling is illegal in most states. Why is that the case?...

March 12, 2015
Introduction To Mayhem

In our inaugural episode, Elie and Joe take a deep dive into their own navels. What kind of person becomes a “legal blogger” in the first place?  In the words of Admiral Stockdale (Google him): Who are we? Why are we here?

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