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Conrad Saam

Conrad Saam

Host of Lunch Hour Legal Marketing

After leading marketing efforts for Avvo, Conrad Saam left and founded Mockingbird Marketing, an online marketing agency focused exclusively on the legal market. Conrad is the author of “The FindLaw Jailbreak Guide,” a Google Small Business Advisor, and has held positions for various ABA Practice Management marketing committees. In his spare time, he enjoys publishing Cease and Desist letters from unscrupulous vendors called out for misleading the legal industry.

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July 15, 2026

Grassroots Marketing the Earley Way: How This Attorney Punches Above His Weight in The Big City

Chris Earley runs a mid-sized personal injury law firm with an out-sized impact in Boston, one of the biggest, most competitive legal markets around, without trying to out-spend the giants. His approach:...

July 8, 2026

Serving Up Super Summit FOMO

On the fence about coming to the Lunch Hour Legal Marketing Summit? Gyi and Conrad would feel absolutely terrible if you missed out, but this episode will help get you there. Last...

July 1, 2026

The LHLM Summit Is Coming. Here’s a Taste.

The Lunch Hour Legal Marketing Summit is coming. To Nashville. In August. This week on Lunch Hour Legal Marketing, Conrad and Gyi sit down with two of the speakers headed to the...

June 24, 2026

How To Spend $100K

You just received $100,000 from the Marketing Fairy. Now, how do you turn that into clients? With a smart marketing budget guided by Gyi and Conrad’s keen-witted tactics, of course! And later,...

June 17, 2026

Law Firm Finance for Dummies

Money talks (and so should your P&L). This week, the guys are getting fiscal. Conrad and Gyi bring in two heavy hitters. First up, Leah Miller, fractional CFO and Founder of Firmly...

June 10, 2026

AI Search Data Turns to the Dark Side

Google Search Console is serving up AI search impressions… and we’re not impressed. But first, good ol’ email marketing campaigns are more effective than you might think! Email marketing is often pretty...

June 3, 2026

Conversations From ‘A Seat at the Table’: Inside the Private Equity Shift

Everyone’s talking about MSOs. But this isn’t really a conversation about MSOs. This week on Lunch Hour Legal Marketing, Conrad Saam and Gyi Tsakalakis take you inside Vista Consulting’s “A Seat at...

May 27, 2026

What is AI Visibility, Anyway?

If your marketing agency is telling you they can deliver your law firm visibility in AI search, they might be selling you a bunch of hogwash. Come for the rest of the...

May 20, 2026

It Really Is Brand (Told You So!)

Your brand is where it’s at, folks, but maybe you’ve forgotten the marketing fundamentals that really make it work. Join us for Gyi and Conrad’s crash course in brand economics to help...

May 14, 2026

Butts, Not Bots

“Butts, not bots.” That’s the philosophy behind this week’s conversation with Ted DeBettencourt of Juvo Leads, a new sponsor of Lunch Hour Legal Marketing, and honestly, it sparked one of the most...

May 6, 2026

Don’t Be Weird About Sponsorships (Just Be Honest)

Conrad’s query sounds simple on the surface: If we’re getting paid to talk about something, how obvious do we have to be about it? That turns into a much bigger conversation with...

April 29, 2026

A Tale of Two Dashboards

Two dashboards. Two stories. One broken relationship. This week on Lunch Hour Legal Marketing, Conrad Saam and Gyi Tsakalakis unpack a client loss that wasn’t really about performance; it was about measurement....

April 22, 2026

By the Numbers: The Super Duper Data Edition

Is your law firm marketing budget relying on channels that account for less than 1% of new leads? Oh boy, do we love a good stat!  We’re back with a super duper...

April 15, 2026

ABA TECHSHOW 2026 Recap: Our Favorite Conversations from the Floor

The best conversations from ABA TECHSHOW 2026, all in one place. Gyi and Conrad hit the floor to talk with legal tech innovators, lawyers, and industry leaders about what’s actually working right...

April 8, 2026

Is AI Search Optimization a Thing?

Why is it SO difficult to track success in AI search? You want to rank, AI is a beast, your agency might be full of it, and we want to help. Then,...

April 1, 2026

Claudia Unleashed!

Conrad and Gyi are live from ABA TECHSHOW 2026 at McCormick Place in Chicago, and they’ve got a big announcement. Lunch Hour Legal Marketing is going all-in on AI with the debut...

March 25, 2026

Mail Bag – You Asked, We Answered

We love answering your questions, folks! Gyi and Conrad have collected a series of queries from a variety of LHLM listeners, and they’ve got plenty of tactical insights to share. Mail time!...

March 18, 2026

Beets, Berries, and Better Paralegals

Paralegals might not wear capes, but they’re often the ones keeping your law firm running and making sure your clients are happy. Conrad and Gyi dive into the unsung, everyday heroes of...

March 11, 2026

Olympic Lawyer on Competition, Law Firm Growth, and the Rule of Law

A real Olympian on our little podcast?! Athlete and lawyer Rich Ruohonen shows us all how excellence and commitment are good for business. And, more importantly, how standing up for what’s right...

February 25, 2026

Help, My Law Firm Is Stuck! – Should I Expand Practice Areas or Locations?

Business feeling stagnant in your smaller market? Contradictory to our previous claims, adding a new practice area might be just the thing. But first, new Direct Business Search data just dropped—what do...

February 11, 2026

The One Where Gyi and Conrad Rock the Boat

Hey, friends. The hard truth of it is—It’s bad for business if there’s no rule of law. We’re grateful for the voices in the profession that have shown a willingness to defend...

January 28, 2026

Local Love, Review Realities, and the Truth about Google’s PMax Campaigns

As you advertise locally, advertise your localness! Then, what’s a small firm to do in the sea of reviews? And, we really hate Google’s Performance Max nonsense.  Lots to cover today, folks!...

January 22, 2026

How Podcasting Can Change Your Business || LHLM Takeout

How did our delightful little pod become what it is today? Gyi and Conrad chat with Ben & Brian Glass at The Great Legal Marketing Summit about their respective entrances into the...

January 15, 2026

Conrad’s Crystal Ball V: Lawyer Marketing Predictions for 2026

Mystic for hire! Conrad dusts off the ol’ prophetic orb for a look at what 2026 has in store for lawyers and legal marketers. We know you’re itching to hear those future...

December 23, 2025

Roasting Buckeyes || If You Screw Up the Honeymoon, You’re Headed for Divorce

First—watch out, Ohio. The guys are sore losers, so they’re taking it out on one of your websites. Later, what should law firms be doing during the honeymoon phase with new clients?  ...

December 10, 2025

Know Your Enemy—Or Your Competitors, At Least!

Where are your competitors spending their marketing money? Gyi and Conrad’s insights into this valuable data can help you stay ahead of the rivals in your market. Competitive research is an oft...

December 4, 2025

The Truth About Marketing Attribution || LHLM Takeout

Craving a sneak peak of our live recording from Filevine’s Lex Summit? This year, Filevine’s Josh Hostilo and Stefanie Minter joined us at the table table to tackle one of the most...

November 26, 2025

Don’t Get Duped: How to Spot BS Marketing Metrics

It’s surprisingly easy for a marketing agency to make underperforming campaigns look like wins. How do you guard yourself against marketers who exaggerate your results? Also, NAP consistency—the definitive answer!  Yeah, it’s...

November 12, 2025

Stuff You NEED to Know to Rank in Local Search with Darren Shaw

Whitespark’s Local Search Ranking Factors Report surveys the best and the brightest SEOs (and Gyi and Conrad) to gain a clearer picture of the latest drivers of local search rankings. Understanding how...

October 22, 2025

Not All Leads Are Created Equal

Bungling lead follow-up and neglecting to learn AI’s many, many profitable uses in your law firm will definitely come back to haunt you. Learn how to do it right!  Changing the way...

October 8, 2025

Live! From LHLM Summit 2025

Lunch Hour Legal Marketing Summit 2025 was an awesome time, and we are incredibly grateful that we got to see so many of you in person. If you couldn’t make it this...

September 24, 2025

r/LHLM: Reddit Feeds the AI MACHINE

Reddit has major SEO power, and you should definitely be using it for your firm! But, dear lawyers, for good karma, avoid megaspammer agencies who attach your name to every annoying post....

September 10, 2025

Lunchtime Hors D’oeuvres || Salacious Scorpion Speculations

We’ve got more delectable nibbles of knowledge to whet your appetite for the LHLM Summit! And, Conrad’s got a Clio/Scorpion conspiracy theory you definitely don’t want to miss. This is pure speculation...

August 27, 2025

Tasty Tactical Tidbits || Don’t Call It a Rebrand

Get ready for a pu pu platter of the legal marketing genius on the menu at the LHLM Summit! And, later, the guys pick apart AffiniPay’s rebrand to ‘8am’.  We know not...

August 13, 2025

Clio’s All-In with Scorpion – Who Gets Stung?

“Sole Preferred Partners”—does this new relationship mark a culture shift for Clio? Come for the puppy, stay for the hard-hitting analysis.

July 23, 2025

Are You Thinking Long Term? – Empowering Your People & Building Legacy

Investing in your people is the absolute best thing you can do in your law firm. Later in the pod, you want your business to grow for years to come, so what...

July 10, 2025

How to Rank with Google AI Mode

How do you get AI overviews and AI mode to promote your content? Gyi and Conrad detail out all the current guidance for better content performance. The way people use search is...

June 25, 2025

Big Money — Who Owns the Future of Law?

Non-Lawyer ownership, alternative business structures, venture capital pushing out the little guy… scary, right? Yeah, we get it—but should you be so worried about these new trends coming to law-firm business management?...

June 11, 2025

Stand Up to Stand Out

Is standing up for a cause you believe in a help or a hindrance to your business? The fear of losing clients who think/believe differently might keep you from publicly supporting the...

June 4, 2025

What’s In a Brand?

Branding, re-branding, brand refresh… What does it all mean? Well, a rose by any other name might smell as sweet, but your business could really stink if your branding strategy is lacking....

May 21, 2025

Ultimate LinkedIn Guide for Lawyers

LinkedIn is really working for lawyers these days, so Gyi and Conrad bring in the pros to school you on how to leverage it for your business. Learn how to create content...

May 7, 2025

When to DIY & When to Call in the Pros — Mailbag Edition

Should your agency be charging you for managing your LSAs? Are there things your in-house marketing team should be leaving to the experts? Today, the guys open the mailbag and answer these...

April 23, 2025

Ranking Your Local Competitors – Hot or Not?

If lots of site traffic isn’t leading to lots of clients, something’s off. Learn how to get the traffic you want! Later, Gyi and Conrad unpack the marketing impact of publicly ranking...

April 22, 2025

BREAKING: Google Expands Use of Local Service Ad Data

Just when you thought you understood Local Services Ads (LSAs), Google changes the game. Gyi and Conrad sound the alarm on the latest shift in LSA terms—and this one’s a doozy. Google...

April 9, 2025

Show Me the Clients! — Holding Your Marketing Accountable

Feeble marketing tactics are a major waste of your law firm’s ad spend! Make sure your budget isn’t being squandered by understanding what marketing quality and accountability should look like. If your...

March 26, 2025

Marketing in the Age of AI — Lawyerist Invasion!

AI is majorly, seriously, (annoyingly?) impacting law firm marketing, and it’s not just about content generation. What’s a lawyer to do? In this special LHLM episode, Gyi and Conrad air their chat...

March 19, 2025

Is Your Law Firm Marketing Actually Working?

Live from the American Association for Justice conference in Miami, Lunch Hour Legal Marketing is back with another deep dive into law firm marketing strategies that actually move the needle. Conrad Saam...

March 12, 2025

How Law Firms Use Google Ads to Poach Your Leads

Lead thievery! How on earth could your competitor’s ad have YOUR name in it? Brand conquesting is a real thing, and it sucks. Later, is Gyi completely wrong about direct brand search...

February 26, 2025

Meh, Links — Busting Link Building Myths for SEO

Today, we unpack Gyi’s beloved catchphrase to see how “meh” he really feels about the significance of links in local SEO. Later—the strategic guide you need for top-knotch link building in 2025....

February 12, 2025

Lawyer Marketing Nightmares: Dirty Tricks, Ponzi Schemes & Backstabbing

Gyi and Conrad share the scary legal marketing stories you definitely wouldn’t want to find yourself entangled in. Later, don’t throw the attribution out with the bath water! It’s not impossible to...