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“I’m an accidental software developer.”

Billie Tarascio started out trying to build a firm that furthers access to justice, and wound up building a pretty innovative law firm with a software backbone that allowed her to deliver legal services at every price point—and it didn’t work. You’ll find out why in today’s podcast, but first, don’t forget that clients and customers are looking for very different things.

Billie Tarascio has two companies:

  1. Access Legal, a legal document assembly platform sort of like LegalZoom for Arizona divorces.
  2. Modern Law, an Arizona family law firm that relies on the same software (and forms) that power Access Legal.

The thing is, Access Legal is at once really innovative and exciting and almost exactly what everyone says small firms need to be doing, and it didn’t work. Tarascio tried to eat her own lunch, and it just didn’t work.

Listen now to find out why. There may be some important lessons to take away from this.

Episode Details
Published: February 2, 2016
Podcast: Lawyerist Podcast
Category: Access to Justice
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