Ready Player One: The Life Of A Video Game Lawyer

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Adriana Linares:

Welcome everyone to another episode of New Solo on the Legal Talk Network. I have a awesome and exciting guest because Chrissie Scelsi has one of the coolest practices and I think it’s going to blow your mind when you meet her and hear about the very cool corner of the law that she lives in. Hi, Chrissie.

Chrissie Scelsi:

Hi, Adriana.

Adriana Linares:

Thanks so much for coming on the podcast. You and I have some mutual hobbies, and that’s how you and I became fast friends. I love hanging out with you and learning a lot of very cool things from you, specifically because you are a video game lawyer.

Chrissie Scelsi:

Indeed, I am.

Adriana Linares:

I’m so excited. So to me, that’s weird. Whoever thought about video game lawyers, but that is literally how you describe yourself and what you do. And I can’t wait to dive in, but before we really start digging into your very cool area of law, I want you to just introduce yourself, where you got started, where you’re from, and have you always played video games, or is that something you did after the fact?

Chrissie Scelsi:

Sure. Happy to be here. Thank you for having me on the podcast. It’s my first time doing a podcast, so I’m excited to chat with you about video game law. So yeah, I’m Chrissie Shelsey. I am a native Floridian and I’ve lived all over. I went to college in New Orleans at Loyola University and my undergrad is in marketing. I have a JD from St. Louis University and a master’s in entertainment and media law from Southwestern Law in LA. So I’m a glutton for punishment. I have two law degrees. But yeah, I’ve been working in some aspect of games. I got my start in game-based simulations in Orlando early on in my career. And then I was US General Council at War Gaming, which is a video game company. Their biggest games are World of Tanks and World of Warships. So I was their US General Council for six and a half years and got into some really interesting, we can talk about international aspects of video game law, which a lot of people don’t think about.

I’m based in Orlando, Florida. And yeah, so also a big Pokemon Go fan. I play a lot of that. I can find me out with my raid group usually on Wednesdays with the gang. I have to miss it today for privacy happy hour, but otherwise I’m out. But I mean, I’ve played games. I came up in the original Nintendo era. I still have my NES Console. I have my Sega. I have my N64, my Wii, my Switch, all the things. Awesome.

And I like to … I get a lot and we can talk about that, but I always get the question, “Oh, are you a gamer?” And the way I like to ask is a little less, or is a friendlier way to ask that, which is what are you playing? Because as we can talk about with the demographics shifting for games, pretty much everybody’s playing something.

Adriana Linares:

That’s true, right? Even sitting on an airplane, I’ve watched people play all kinds of interesting games. I just want to read your bio real quick. It’s a two sentence bio because you have mentioned already entertainment law, and of course we’re talking about gaming law, but your things are games, immersive entertainment and tech attorney. You’ve also mentioned privacy. I know you’re a privacy law attorney as well. Experience Swiss Army Knife in- house generalist with a foundation in entertainment and IP. So yeah, there’s a bunch of parts that you have to be really good at. Can you tell us how you built all that experience? Did you get certain certifications? Help us understand there’s a lot of cogs in that wheel.

Chrissie Scelsi:

Sure, sure. So like I said, I was one of those oddballs. All my friends in law school wanted to be public defenders and I was just the oddball that wanted to do entertainment law. So I took every class I could get my hands on. I even took entertainment law one summer at Stetson while I was working in Tampa. I took entertainment law planning and drafting at Washington University in St. Louis. This was

Adriana Linares:

While you were in law school?

Chrissie Scelsi:

While I was in law school. And then I got my LLM and I always counseled the students who are interested in this area to take as many drafting classes as you can. I think one of the defenses too, litigation is a good contract and knowing how to draft that. But then some of it is certifications and things that I’ve gotten along the way, and some of it has just been kind of on job training.

Adriana Linares:

Did you start as a solo?

Chrissie Scelsi:

I get this question a lot because people like to, particularly people at big firms like to ask me about my non-traditional career path. The reality is I’ve just had to hustle through my career.

I graduated into the last recession when there weren’t law jobs or there were, but there were not a lot of them. And so I, for a while, had my own practice. So I’ve done the solo thing and represented everything from a punk rock festival to theater company and did a lot of different work with entertainment and business clients. Then I was in- house with, like I said, game-based simulations. That’s what brought me to Orlando. And then I went back to having my own practice and then got a call from war gaming, which was funny. It’s one of those lessons that you never know who it’s going to be because the first person I emailed in the industry that had talked to me about the position, I said, “Thanks for putting a word in for me. ” And he said, “I didn’t, but I will.” And I said, “Okay.” And then I had to figure out, and then I figured out who had put a word in for me.

Like I said, I was with war gaming for six and a half years.

Adriana Linares:

Can you remind us who war gaming is because that’s the umbrella company for some well-known games, right?

Chrissie Scelsi:

Sure, sure. War gaming, and don’t feel bad if you don’t recognize it. It’s a game that either if you’re in the industry, you know it. And if you play World of Tanks or World of Warships, you love the games. I am constantly amazed. I was at a networking thing when I lived in Austin with a woman and she was like, “Oh my God, my husband spends so much money in your games.” You never know who you’re going to run into. Anyway, but War Gaming is an award-winning developer and publisher of games across PC, mobile, console. So I supported all their offices in the US while I was there. So when I started, we had five offices and so a lot of people. And I was also product council for the console development team in Chicago who makes World of Tanks, all their console games.

Adriana Linares:

So did you start out going to law school, deciding you were going to get into video game law, or was it something that naturally happened once you got into law school, you’re like, “Oh, I can go in this route?” Was that a before or after?

Chrissie Scelsi:

So I’ve always wanted to do entertainment law. Well, originally I started out in college as a music business major. I thought at the time I wanted to be a tour manager for bands. And at some point met my mentor who was joining the program to teach marketing in the business school and convinced me to change my major and get what he called a real business degree. And I got unending guff in law school because I was a marketing major. And a lot of lawyers, their undergrad is in political science or pre-law or something like that. And so I got unending guff. And to quote legally blonde, I’m like, “Didn’t we pass the same bar exam?” Come on, man. But as one of my law school classmates was saying, I mean, I got so much guff, but now I do fun law, as you could call it, because I do a lot of review and work with video game teams on marketing, advertising review.

I like to say I may not watch what’s popular in pop culture, but I have to be pop culture adjacent because that’s what the marketing teams are always trying to draft off of. And if you don’t have a license, you have to be really careful. It’s March when we’re recording and everybody wants to do stuff around March Madness, January Super Bowl, World Cup, all those things. So like when the White Walkers were a thing on Game of Thrones, I didn’t watch it, but I knew it was coming. And that Monday after that episode aired, I had questions about, “Can we do something with white and this and that? ” So it’s a lot of figuring out a way that your marketing team can try to draft off of that, but not get the company in trouble for like infringing somebody else’s IP. And you see it with Super Bowl, everybody’s talking about the big game, it can be done because a lot of times your team doesn’t have a budget to do a license.

And they’re not trying to do anything wrong. They’re just trying to be excited about it like everybody

Adriana Linares:

Else

Chrissie Scelsi:

Is. But at the end of the day, it’s a commercial use. So you have to be careful.

Adriana Linares:

I can just see them now going, “Oh man, we got to email Chrissie about this. ” Shit.

Chrissie Scelsi:

When I started at war gaming, there were more women at the company than I thought there would be, but at the end of the day, I was an attorney, I’m a woman to some people at the company, I’m scary on a good day. So I like to have fun with my wardrobe anyway, but I had this one dinosaur dress that I thought everybody had seen, I’d worn it to networking stuff. And I was on the elevator with a member of our support team and he said to me, “Yo, that dinosaur dress is dope.” And I was like, “Thank you. ” And then it occurred to me in my head that that person usually doesn’t talk to me. So I really, dinosaur dresses are one of my style lanes, because who doesn’t want to talk about dinosaurs? Everybody probably has a favorite dinosaur.

Adriana Linares:

Totally.

Chrissie Scelsi:

It just kind of breaks the ice. And through that, and also, of course, building the business relationship. And the big thing when you’re in- house at a company, it doesn’t matter if it’s a game company or anything, you have to build relationships and you can’t be the department of no. If you say no all the time as an attorney, bad things happen and you have fewer and less pleasant options. I’d rather a team come to me with a marketing idea a few months out and we can do different iterations of it and let’s think about, okay, you want to do this with Mickey Mouse, let’s not do that. Maybe let’s dial it a different way, but you have more options as a lawyer, as opposed to if they run with what you might have said was … It’s kind of like improv. You kind of are like, “Well, tell me more.

Tell me more about this idea.” As opposed to if you have other clients that are more willing to take on those risks, they might come to you with a lawsuit and then you don’t have many options. You have to call outside counsel and explain why this happened to executives and explain to the CFO and try to get budget. And yeah, that’s not as much fun. But that said, I think that’s also a plug for networking because you never know, particularly you might have as in- house counsel, your favorite attorneys and you never know when they’re going to have a conflict and you have to call somebody else. So you have to have a deep bench of people that you can call if you have issues. And it’s for a variety of things too, and we can talk about that. That’s what I love with this space is it involves so many areas of law that I learn something new every day.

It’s great.

Adriana Linares:

Before I go any further, I just want to describe that you are so perfectly on brand for being a video game lawyer. Your background is a Mario Cart background, which is amazing. And of course, you are wearing a pokey shirt with poke earrings. I love it. And every time I see you, you are so into and enthusiastic about your job. And I don’t know if you call it a hobby because I don’t know what do we call things? I mean, plants are a hobby for me. Animals are a hobby, but I don’t want to not call it something it isn’t, but you love it. And I think for me, one of the reasons I really wanted to have you on the podcast is because in my many, many years of working with attorneys, I always find that the happiest attorneys are the ones who are practicing law in an area that they really love and they have a community around and they’re not just pushing paper, as we like to say, but are really into it.

And I think that’s so special. And that’s one of my favorite things about you is you’re so into it and I know that’s what makes you happy. So thank you for that. And I want you to talk about that and remind attorneys that whatever thing it is that you love, there’s probably a need for a lawyer in it. I say this all the time. Even if you love antiquing, there’s lawyers that are part of the antiquing community. All right. Anyway, what are you playing these days?

Chrissie Scelsi:

So of course, I’m level 71 in Pokemon Go, working on 72, finally making myself do the routes. It’s just a pain. And then I love the New York Times games section play Wordle Everyday Connections I really like. And they had on NPR yesterday, some of the games puzzle people for The New Yorker and the New York Times, and it was a lot of fun. So I like that.

Adriana Linares:

They have lawyers too.

Chrissie Scelsi:

They do. They do.

Adriana Linares:

Right.

Chrissie Scelsi:

And it’s amazing that they were talking about that the New York Times used to be that it was very analog that they had the

Adriana Linares:

Crossword

Chrissie Scelsi:

That you could do in Pencil or in Penn if you were brave. And now they’re looking at that as like a discovery, games as a discovery gateway to getting people to subscribe to the New York Times. And it’s fun. And you talk about community. Well, that’s what I like with Pokemon Go and with Wordle is we all share, my friends and I that play, we share on Facebook and see what’s going on.

Adriana Linares:

Let’s take a quick break and listen to some messages from some sponsors. And when we come back, I’m going to ask you about your typical day as an in- house council for video gaming companies and do a little brag on you as the first woman attorney of the Video Game Bar Association, which is a thing we’ll be right back. Okay. I’m back with Chrissie Chelsea. It’s nice to have you here, Chrissie. I left the last segment by telling everybody that you are the first woman attorney of the Video Game Bar Association, and that’s the thing. How cool is that?

Chrissie Scelsi:

Yeah, thank you. It’s exciting to be the first woman president of the Video Game Bar Association. And we also have just recently in the last, gosh, it’s been a year and a half I think already that we’ve have our first woman executive director too. It’s been great having Amy join our team and it’s been exciting. Other organizations that would be out there, they’re not necessarily bar associations, but it’s really interesting and people don’t think about that, but that the games practice, the video game law practice is a really international practice. So when I joined war gaming, they helped sponsor the Games Industry Law Summit, which used to be held in Lithuania. This year it’s in Berlin, but it’s basically the UN of video game lawyers. Wow. It’s amazing. And some of it is because, so the US has its rating system, Germany has its own rating system and games association.

The EU has its own. There’s an international ratings coalition. So there’s a lot of opportunities and there’s also game developers pretty much all over the world and because of the internet that it’s a very international practice. So I know pretty much game lawyers in almost every country you could think of, which is fun. It’s really

Adriana Linares:

Interesting.

Chrissie Scelsi:

You get to learn because the laws are so different on certain things.

Adriana Linares:

Can I ask you, when you have a monthly meeting of the Video Game Bar Association, what’s on the agenda?

Chrissie Scelsi:

So yeah, we have our usual, like any organization, our usual administrative things that we’re working on. But the exciting thing that we really enjoy is putting on continuing legal education programming and really curating it for our members and keeping it interesting. So one of the challenges, like I’m sure every otherBar Association is having right now is we did a survey of our members. What do you want to hear more about and what do you want to hear less about? And AI is on both sides.

Adriana Linares:

Right. Yeah, I can totally see

Chrissie Scelsi:

That. It’s tough. And they want to hear, what I’m hearing is less doom and gloom on the ethics, stop scaring us. How do we use this in day-to-day practice? How can I make my practice more efficient? How can I do better and while preserving privilege, while preserving confidentiality?

Adriana Linares:

Safe topics, as I’ve been talking about for 30 years. Okay, good.

Chrissie Scelsi:

Right. So we just had a CLE breakfast at Game Developers Conference. It was interesting. We had three in- house attorneys from different entertainment companies and one retired lawyer who’s working more in business development working with AI. And so we had a very lively discussion about what they’re dealing with with AI stuff and how in- house counsel can work with the teams. And because I mean, I know in my consulting that I’ve been doing recently, which has been funny because I feel like it’s the same issues I was dealing with at war gaming, but it’s a different year. It’s a

Adriana Linares:

Lot of

Chrissie Scelsi:

The same issues. These days, I think you’re lucky, and I don’t think it’s just video game law. I think you’re lucky if a client tells you anymore that they’re using AI. So it’s either you’re ferreting it out and the lawyers are getting smart. I mean, ChatGPT spits out kind of the same type of contract you can tell, but helping the clients navigate that is interesting. So we just had our CLE breakfast. We’re in the process of planning a summit in Seattle in May. So we really enjoy coming up with different CLE topics and events that our members can join. And we’re really trying to do more interactive CLE, more round tables, more-

Adriana Linares:

It’s interactive gaming. It should be interactive meeting. Right,

Chrissie Scelsi:

Right. It’s got me

Adriana Linares:

Crazy.

Chrissie Scelsi:

So we’re really trying to do that. And you can’t always do that with every topic. If it’s a really serious topic, maybe we don’t. And not that interactive has to mean silly, but certain topics you kind of want to let … If it’s important or it’s a more serious speaker, we’re not going to force that. But it’s been interesting hearing ideas from our members on that. So

Adriana Linares:

You don’t work for War Game anymore. That was a while ago. You freelance and consult now as an in- house counsel to different video game companies? So

Chrissie Scelsi:

Far, yeah. I’ve been doing contract work with a

Adriana Linares:

Games

Chrissie Scelsi:

Team and it’s been fantastic. Can

Adriana Linares:

You tell us, again, day to day, what are the things that are coming across your desk?

Chrissie Scelsi:

Sure. And like I said, it’s a lot of the same issues, but a different

Adriana Linares:

Year.

Chrissie Scelsi:

So a big area where I’ve grown a lot as an attorney just through experience and just realities of working in the games industry is employment law. It’s a big, big thing. Unfortunately, it’s been a tough last few years for the games industry. We’ve had a lot of layoffs, a lot of people losing their jobs. And some question if that’s because of AI, some of that is maybe … And part of it is that during COVID, games hit a record sales. Everybody was at home, everybody was

Adriana Linares:

Playing,

Chrissie Scelsi:

Animal Crossing, what have you, and the games industry was doing Gangbusters numbers. And as such, hired, there’s also some criticism that perhaps maybe hired too much,

Adriana Linares:

And

Chrissie Scelsi:

Now this is a correction, but it’s a tough time for the industry. So as in- house counsel, you have to support … If the company decides to do layoffs, you have to help with the paperwork and stuff. And I have a project right now that is kind of along those lines with helping update some of the employment templates. It’s not because there’s layoffs or anything, but just because those documents have to be updated. It’s not as fun. It’s

Adriana Linares:

Not the sexy work.

Chrissie Scelsi:

Yeah. The team was kind of like, sorry. I’m like, “But we have to update these documents so they work in DocuSign.” If it’s causing a problem, the work has to be done. And I think that’s a thing I run into sometimes with people that aren’t in the industry too, is they forget that games companies at the end of the day are companies. So you still have to do corporate paperwork, registrations, different things. And like I said, it’s an international practice and corporate leases and office stuff. One of the things that often came up when in my practice that is dealing with snacks and employee perfect and employee perks that, I mean, it’s very much if you ever watch the show Mythic Quest or Silicon Valley, some of those things you get into these conversations that are just kind of- I did watch

Adriana Linares:

Mythic Quest.

Chrissie Scelsi:

Mythic Quest is spot on. Of course, it’s also co-produced by Ubisoft, which is a big games company. But I have been in some of those cringey meetings, but one of the offices where I used to work, we had a little convenience store. And so when guests came, we had to tell them, “Don’t just take stuff.” First of all, there’s cameras. I don’t know if they’re going to come and arrest you, but just don’t take stuff. We’ll buy it for you. But that would trigger everybody else who was out on the office floor going, “Well, I heard Chicago, the snacks are free and blah, blah, blah.” And it would just trigger this whole wave of complaining. And I would have to turn around and go, “Guys, you all get the same allocation for snacks. And by the way, the Chicago office, yes, they’re free, but they don’t have Red Bull.” You’re fine.

Adriana Linares:

Mic drop. Yeah, you’re

Chrissie Scelsi:

Fine. And it’s also, I think though, to talk about Silicon Valley, I think people have also realized with COVID and working from home that some of those perks that seemed really great when you started maybe with some of the big tech companies weren’t designed just to be nice. They’re designed to keep you working all the time. Of course. Breakfast, lunch, dinner, mobile haircuts coming on campus. I’ve seen all that stuff. I mean, it’s nice, but it’s to keep you there. It’s like onsite dry cleaning. Of course, I mean, I can’t tell you the last time I wore something that was dry cleaned or dry clean only.

Adriana Linares:

Me either. I got rid of all that stuff. All right. Well, let’s take a quick break, listen to some messages from some sponsors. And when we come back, I’m going to have you remind everybody why being part of the community that you love, support, and work in can be so satisfying and helpful. We’ll be right back. Okay. I’m back with Chrissie Chelsea, my favorite video game lawyer and a dear friend, by the way. Chrissie, you just came back from a big gaming or development. You have to tell me what it is, conference in San Francisco.

Chrissie Scelsi:

Yeah. So I just came back from Game Developers Conference in San Francisco.

Adriana Linares:

Game Developers Conference. Now, I imagine that there’s more than just lawyers there. Like this is the community, right? Oh,

Chrissie Scelsi:

Sure. It’s everybody coming together to attend the conference. But I mean, even when I lived in the Bay Area, I would go into San Francisco just to, there’s all the dinners and get togethers around

Adriana Linares:

The

Chrissie Scelsi:

Conference to see everybody. I think part of the community aspect of practicing in the games industry is it’s a self-regulated industry. So they’ve put in, we have the entertainment software ratings board that does all the ratings for games and tries to educate parents about different tools they can use to keep kids safe in games. But we’re self-regulated. So there’s also the aspect of we’re all dealing with the same laws, we’re all dealing with the same issues. So it’s pretty collegial in that if I had an issue that was vexing me that I was trying to deal with, you can very often reach out to another game’s lawyer and say, “What are you doing on this? ” Or I have my favorite outside council that works with everybody that you can call and be like, “Okay, so what is everybody else doing about this? ” Because we’re all dealing with the same stuff.

How do we respond to these? How do we try to avoid problems? But we’re all dealing with the same regulations and trying to keep our teams in compliance. So it’s great to have that community. It’s been exciting for me as president of the VGBA to bring on … We expanded our board and brought in some fantastic attorneys, so

Adriana Linares:

It’s been really nice

Chrissie Scelsi:

To have the new energy and new ideas and stuff. It’s been a lot of fun. So I’m lucky to have a great board and support team. And it’s also been exciting that we’ve been looking at ways that our members can get more involved. So at first, everybody wanted to be on the board. And I’m like, okay, we can’t have a gigantic board. That’s always the problem with organizations. You

Adriana Linares:

Don’t

Chrissie Scelsi:

Want to have a million people and you can’t reach a consensus and it’s unwieldy. Of

Adriana Linares:

Course.

Chrissie Scelsi:

We have been looking at ways to get our members more involved, whether that’s joining our planning committees for events around the country, helping with different aspects like sponsorships and partnerships with firms. We’ve been really fortunate that the folks at Fenwick were kind enough to host us for our breakfast at GDC. For May, we’re being hosted by the kind folks at Perkins Cooey

Adriana Linares:

At their

Chrissie Scelsi:

Gorgeous new Seattle office. And also shout out to Fenwick. They had just moved offices too. So they had some great views of San Francisco and stuff that we were checking out. I didn’t get out to the terrace. I was talking to people too much, but- A

Adriana Linares:

Little too much talk and I’ll do it. Hey, how many members are there of the VGBA, approximately?

Chrissie Scelsi:

Approximately, I think we’re at about like 200, 250. Wow. I love it. But we’re looking to expand. We want it to be … We do have an application process, but I would encourage anybody who’s practicing in the industry who isn’t a member to reach out and apply and join. If you’re a lapsed member, come on back, all the good stuff.

Adriana Linares:

And

Chrissie Scelsi:

We’ve been working on relaunching our website, but it’s got a lot going for the new year, which has been exciting. And just like I said, just continuing to try to improve things for our members.

Adriana Linares:

Yeah. Now, you practice work from home, I assume most of the time. Of course, sounds like you travel a lot and you went to the game developers conference to get in with the community. You mentioned early in the episode that you have your rating team, your group, your people that you hang out with at a social level. Tell us why, as a practitioner who has to work from home, how that helps you with just being part … The biggest complaint I get from solos a lot or even small firm attorneys or those that work from home is, I don’t have anybody to walk down the hallway to and knock some ideas around with. How do you do that?

Chrissie Scelsi:

Yeah. And it’s funny, and I have lawyer friends who hate working from home. I have actually been remote more and working at home more of my career than I have been in an office due to a variety of factors. But one place I worked, I actually kind of got work from home as a punishment. They needed my office for like a salesperson. So I got sent home. You

Adriana Linares:

Were like, oh no, no.

Chrissie Scelsi:

So it was so funny when we started having to work from home again, nevermind the advising and having to deal with people being amateur epidemiologists during COVID because that was some rough advising at the beginning of the pandemic with all kinds of issues coming up and just having to advise and not being very popular. Though, I mean, being in house as an attorney, it’s not to be there to be cool. You’re there to protect the company and their interests. But yeah, working from home. And it’s funny that some of the teams I’m consulting with now, I would love to be in an office with them, but they’re also remote. So actually, the question of hiring an intern and where would they sit is kind of a funny thing when there’s, of course, plenty of room at the office, but everybody else is remote. I don’t mind it.

I kind of have a routine with things, get up, check email, see what’s going on. If nothing is pressing, kind of maybe get the dishes going, get the laundry going,

Adriana Linares:

And

Chrissie Scelsi:

Then kind of rinse and repeat, work as the day goes on. It does get a little bit lonely. So I’m very involved with local bar associations

Adriana Linares:

And

Chrissie Scelsi:

Try to get myself out. And I was really pleasantly surprised the other week that in- house connect, which if you’re in- house, I would highly recommend joining the group on LinkedIn. Shy does a great job with that, but they came here to Orlando. And so it was a gathering of just in- house attorneys and it was fantastic. It was really nice. And there’s more of us … It’s funny in Orlando that you would … It looks like from the outside that there would be a big in- house legal community, and it’s actually smaller than you would think compared to

Adriana Linares:

…

Chrissie Scelsi:

I mean, of course, and I compare that to- San

Adriana Linares:

Francisco. San

Chrissie Scelsi:

Francisco, which there’s a ton of tech companies and a lot of lawyers out there that are in- house because it’s just a very different practice setting. You have one client, which is the company, and You have to deal with everything else going on, which could be one week, it could be employment stuff, it could be marketing, commercial leases, just changing office space, employee handbooks. And if you’re in- house and having to deal with handbooks, I would also recommend I’m not being paid to promote this, but 650 is a great tool that we use that can really help companies with operations in multiple states with updating the handbook more quickly, but knowing that it’s up to date on legal issues or at least is closer than having to do it manually because that can be a real bear for a company because you’re tying up legal, you’re tying up HR who also have to deal with everything else that’s on fire.

Adriana Linares:

Awesome. Well, Chrissie, it has been so fun chatting with you. I wish we had hours. Oh wait, we do. Next time I see you. I can grill you some more in private. Thanks so much for taking the time to talk to us and reminding everybody that you can have a non-traditional law practice and do things different and practice law in an area that you are truly passionate and love being a part of. So thank you so much.

Chrissie Scelsi:

Yeah, thank you for having me. This has been great chatting.

Adriana Linares:

It has. All right, everyone. Thanks again for listening to another episode of New Solo, and we will see you next month. I’ve

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