Diddy Lawyer Decides He Gotta Move On

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Joe Patrice:

Hello. Welcome to a new edition of Thinking Like A Lawyer. I’m Joe Patrice from Above the Law. I am joined as I usually am by a couple other Above the Law. Personalities.

Kathryn Rubino:

Personalities, yeah. What you were going for there.

Joe Patrice:

That is what I was going for. That’s Kathryn Rubino.

Kathryn Rubino:

I’m happy to give you an assist.

Joe Patrice:

Great. It is wonderful to work with such giving coworkers. Kathryn Rubino there. Chris Williams has not yet said anything.

Chris Williams:

But I’m here.

Joe Patrice:

But he is he here. We are doing, as we do every week, we do a quick rundown of some of the big stories from the week that was in legal from our above the ongoing constant Above the Law coverage. But before we jump into things, we like to show a little bit of personality, so, oh, it’s time for some small talk.

Kathryn Rubino:

I don’t even remember the weekend. That’s where I at it is we are recording this on Monday morning, and I couldn’t tell you right now, I guess I did something.

Joe Patrice:

The Oscars were this weekend.

Kathryn Rubino:

Were they? Good question. I guess I did know that because a lot of the Fashionista people, which is one of Above the Law’s sister or blogs, have posted images from there, and I guess I was aware of it because of that.

Joe Patrice:

Yeah. So the Oscars…

Chris Williams:

That’s how I found out that Mike Myers was still alive. Not that I thought he was dead, but it was just nice to see him after so long. Right.

Joe Patrice:

He was on Saturday Night Live.

Chris Williams:

Oh, wait, no, that’s SNL. Yes. Yes, yes. That also happened over the weekend and that was cool.

Kathryn Rubino:

Oh, right. Isn’t he playing Elon Musk on SNL now?

Chris Williams:

Yes.

Kathryn Rubino:

Yeah, that is. I have not seen that, but that feels like a 10 out of 10.

Chris Williams:

It’s not just the word. I feel like saying it’s good is wrong. I feel like the accurate thing to say is it is spot on. Nice. So power to him. He nailed it. He nailed the Elon Awkwardness man. Childness, but because he nailed it, it’s not good, but it is accurate.

Kathryn Rubino:

Well, I guess that’s good.

Joe Patrice:

So obviously with the Oscars having happened, I mean, I got to say, I think this year is, I mean maybe it’s a pandemic holdover or something like that. This is the first year that I don’t think I’ve seen any of the best picture nominees, which I feel kind of remiss about.

Kathryn Rubino:

Yeah. I think I missed most of them as well. I don’t think that I’m generally somebody that has big Oscar opinions, but I didn’t even see Wicked, which I am a big fan of the Broadway musical. Saw it with the original cast many years ago. The soundtrack has been on rotation since then in my life, but have not yet made it. Well, I mean, I guess I have a toddler, so that’s not wild that I haven’t made it to the movie theater yet, but I do intend to watch Wicked from the Privacy of my own home, so I can pause it every three minutes as my child makes noises.

Chris Williams:

Speaking of Oscar misses. You know who called a stray? Drake!

Joe Patrice:

Really?

Chris Williams:

Yeah, I didn’t see it. I think it was Conan O’Brien or something. One of the Square Face Talking Heads. He was was the host. Yeah. He’s like, we’re at now at the halftime show, part of the Oscars, which means Kendrick is going to come out here and call Drake a pedophile, and then he quickly follows up. Don’t worry, don’t worry. I have lawyers.

Kathryn Rubino:

Lawyers got a shout out.

Joe Patrice:

It’s interesting speaking of course, the Oscars.

Chris Williams:

Speaking of pedophiles.

Joe Patrice:

Well, the lawyers, the Oscars of course, not really like they’re kind of a sideshow when it comes to the media industry awards. Obviously they just happened, but the real action is coming up this week, which is the Association of Media and Entertainment Council giving out their awards for the best media lawyers and media entertainment company lawyers.

Kathryn Rubino:

Wow. This is where you’re taking it.

Joe Patrice:

It’s like, it’s like the lawyer Oscars.

Kathryn Rubino:

It is. Oh, I mean,

Joe Patrice:

It is exactly like the lawyer Oscars. Okay.

Chris Williams:

Will they be calling Drake a pedophile there?

Joe Patrice:

One of the honorees might. We don’t know.

Kathryn Rubino:

Joe is in fact an honoree. Is this

Joe Patrice:

Oh, am I? Oh, that’s nice. Thank you.

Kathryn Rubino:

Hence the not at all subtle argument that he was trying to get to.

Joe Patrice:

I wasn’t. I wasn’t at all. But it’s nice of you to note that that is true.

Kathryn Rubino:

Yes. I am aware that you are going to not be writing for our website for a couple of days this week because you are traveling to go to the

Joe Patrice:

Go be on the red carpet.

Kathryn Rubino:

Enjoy your Oscars.

Joe Patrice:

Got to get my tux out and go to the red carpet.

Kathryn Rubino:

Get your tux out.

Joe Patrice:

Yeah.

Kathryn Rubino:

Okay. You’re the kind of guy that has a tux to just

Joe Patrice:

Well, sure.

Chris Williams:

He has to get it out of the store.

Joe Patrice:

No, I was a big law lawyer. Of course I had a tux because there were always those dinners and stuff that you get invited to because the firm needs to fill out the table and stuff. So I have one. Does it still fit? That’s going to be

Kathryn Rubino:

Wow. Wow. Talking about catching a stray.

Joe Patrice:

That’s a legitimate question. That is a covid happened. Okay. Chris has chosen violence today and there we go.

Chris Williams:

Are there days that I choose peace?

Joe Patrice:

Who knows? But yeah, so I’ll be doing that. That’s where I’ll be at the end of this week in LA for the awards,

Kathryn Rubino:

Do you have to write an acceptance speech?

Joe Patrice:

I do have some remarks. Woo hoo. Obviously the event actually was supposed to happen a while ago. It got delayed because of the wildfire situation, but I’d already written a speech, so I’m sure all of my drones jokes will kill

Kathryn Rubino:

What’s

Joe Patrice:

Up with all these drones everywhere right now.

Kathryn Rubino:

Yeah, that’s fair. That was a thing that happened that we still, I feel like I don’t really got a great answer to.

Joe Patrice:

It just happened and then stopped happening,

Kathryn Rubino:

Which makes it feel more strange by the way. It doesn’t make it feel less strange.

Joe Patrice:

Weird. I think it makes it less strange. I think it just makes it like a lot of people were playing with drones one week.

Kathryn Rubino:

No, I don’t think that all of that’s what happened.

Joe Patrice:

No. Interesting. Well, it’s interesting. I would think that this would happen again soon because the organization that usually cracks down on drones being everywhere is the FAA.

Kathryn Rubino:

We know we don’t have one of those anymore. They

Joe Patrice:

All got fired, so who

Kathryn Rubino:

Knows? I mean, I laugh because crying doesn’t make for a good audio, but the federal government not really existing in a real fundamental way is going to be a problem.

Joe Patrice:

I mean, we

Kathryn Rubino:

Write, are you legit? You said you’re going to la so are you legit scared to get on an airplane right now because it doesn’t feel great?

Joe Patrice:

Terrified? Yeah. No, I’m not particularly happy about

Kathryn Rubino:

It. Were you, before this, were you a I don’t like to fly kind of person. It feels like you wouldn’t be.

Joe Patrice:

I didn’t care one way or the other, but yeah, no, this is not great. I have several conferences coming up that require flying mercifully. This year is in, obviously Legal Week is always in New York that’s local and this year is in DC so I can take a train to that, but otherwise got a lot of flying ahead of me.

Kathryn Rubino:

Your Life is in Elon Musk’s hands.

Joe Patrice:

That sounds fantastic. Yeah. So with that done, let’s move to Big Talk, the meat of the show, big Talk and Big Talk. And with that, Chris, you had a story this week about somebody else who’s not having the greatest of weeks,

Chris Williams:

Did have a story. Things are getting serious when stopping is story worthy in itself. So one of Sean Calm, Sean Combs, p Diddy, the Grease van, that might not be his actual moniker, but I’m sticking with it. He had a team of lawyers to support him, to help fight the legal side of the freak off allegations, and I’m still stuck on the fact that Freak Offs was used in an actual legal text. One of his attorneys, his name was a

Joe Patrice:

Time to

Chris Williams:

Be alive. What a time. One of his attorneys, Anthony Rico, and I’m sorry if I’m saying your name wrong because I’m just reading it, but he decided that he couldn’t defend Diddy anymore. He was basically said that he represented him to the best of his ability, but he can no longer continue on the case did not specify what was the baby oil bottle that broke the camel’s back, left largely to speculation. Don’t worry about it. The billionaire is still going to have people wanting to get paid to represent him. So he will still have lawyers defending him. Don’t worry about him not having a counsel, but Anthony Rico would not be one of them.

Joe Patrice:

This is particularly noteworthy of course, because it’s not like Anthony Rico is not like a lot of good criminal defense lawyers. He is very willing generally to defend the

Kathryn Rubino:

All manner

Joe Patrice:

Of All manner of things. All manner of things. Yeah.

Kathryn Rubino:

Including Osama bin Laden. I think the Yes, that was the invitation. Was that the sentence Spike you were looking for?

Joe Patrice:

That was the invitation I was going for.

Chris Williams:

Well, I thought that was your lead. I didn’t want steal your thunder from you.

Joe Patrice:

Yeah, no. So this is a lawyer who has represented Osama Bin Laden who had some other allegations against him and had no problems doing the job of zealously defending somebody in that instance. But apparently there’s something about Diddy’s case that he is like, this is too rich for my blood.

Chris Williams:

I just know somewhere 50 cent is just laughing. Maniacally. If you want to talk about masterminds of witnessing other people’s downfalls memory, he serves did. He’s working on a documentary called Documenting. Did he do it for over a decade now? So he just like, I got to add this to the file. Somebody’s trying to interview 50 cents. Yeah, I need you to get over here. We need to sit and figure out what happened. There’s money involved

Joe Patrice:

Now. Wait, I haven’t been tracking. There was a spate of inflation a couple of weeks ago. A couple of months ago. I think he’s 75 cent now.

Kathryn Rubino:

Okay. I made an inflantion.

Chris Williams:

Wait, wait, wait, wait. You tried. If you listen closely. That was an attempt at humor. It almost broke through. Maybe next. I

Kathryn Rubino:

Was so forced.

Joe Patrice:

I have an econ degree, so Oh goodness. Cpi. It’s

Kathryn Rubino:

An undergraduate degree.

Joe Patrice:

Sure, sure, sure. But it’s still The jokes. The jokes, they

Kathryn Rubino:

Still, the jokes still hit.

Joe Patrice:

Yeah,

Chris Williams:

Your inflation jokes, while they may make sense, aren’t worth a dime. Okay, that was a better inflation. There we go. There we go. Yeah, it didn’t mean a blow up your inflation joke.

Joe Patrice:

Yeah, no, it’s fine. It’s

Kathryn Rubino:

You walk so Chris can run.

Joe Patrice:

Exactly. Reverse DEI. Let’s do it.

Yeah, so this is interesting of course, because criminal defense lawyers generally are, they’re an important breed and sometimes I think a lot of lawyers try to pawn off their more distasteful representations with the whole Everyone deserves a lawyer thing. That’s right. Which is when you’re basically representing somebody in an M and a transaction. No, they don’t. They’ll be fine. But that phrase does actually matter for the people who do criminal defense work, which is a real service to the system. The system would fall if the government were allowed to run rough shot over people, and that does often involve criminal defense lawyers representing bad People, savory Types, unsavory people. But it is an important task. And so when a criminal defense lawyer and a real veteran of it who has done things like represent Osama Bin Laden, Ooh,

Kathryn Rubino:

This one, no thanks.

Joe Patrice:

Yeah. When they say no thanks, it does force you to kind of roll your, not roll your eyes, but sit back and think like what in the world happened, the twinks to them there.

Chris Williams:

I remember one time we were doing the 400th episode thing and Kathryn was like, oh, one of the things we do on the show is we try to cover angles we didn’t cover in the article. I just had a thought, he was like, I might defend a terrorist, but I won’t defend a bad boy.

Kathryn Rubino:

There you go. There you go. There you go. Yeah. Well, yeah, that mean, listen, it could be lack of payment that is motivating this. It could be

Chris Williams:

Greasy documents,

Kathryn Rubino:

It could be greasy documents, could be an unwillingness to listen to his legal advice, which could be part of the reason. So there are potentially not, this is just too awful for me kinds of reasons, but it definitely lends itself to that sort of speculation.

Chris Williams:

The ambiguity does not help. Well,

Kathryn Rubino:

Unless it’s real bad.

Joe Patrice:

Good luck to Diddy with his continuing legal team. But something has, this is a speed bump in that process for him. He’ll have to use something to smooth it over. Are

Kathryn Rubino:

You trying to make another baby

Joe Patrice:

Oil

Chris Williams:

Joke? Baby oil joke?

Kathryn Rubino:

Yeah, I thought

Chris Williams:

So. If you’re going to make a baby oil joke, it has to at least be smooth.

Kathryn Rubino:

Right? See, that was a better one.

Joe Patrice:

I’m doing what I can for everybody here.

Kathryn Rubino:

You are just being a generous improv partner over there. I

Joe Patrice:

Am. That’s what I’m trying to do. Yeah. So with all that said, I think we should take a break here and come back after these messages. Alright, we are back. The

Kathryn Rubino:

Way you did that previous exit to the ads definitely reminds me of Saturday morning cartoons

Joe Patrice:

After these messages. We’ll be right back.

Kathryn Rubino:

We’ll be right back.

Joe Patrice:

We

Kathryn Rubino:

Got to do it like that.

Joe Patrice:

I understand, but I also think that’s probably trademarked and so thanks for getting us sued

Chris Williams:

On that note.

Joe Patrice:

No, that would be very fair use at least so far. Alright, so let’s move on to a law school story. We had a story that was called a preview of the US News Law School rankings 2025. Could that be a slightly misleading title? It’s not really a preview of the rankings, which we will eventually get where we get a preview of know who some of the top are before the full thing. That is not what this particular story was about. This story is about some of the key data that goes into the US News rankings has been released and reverse engineered where some folks who are familiar with what the US News methodology has been historically looked at this new data and said, look, this is what if they don’t change their methodology this year, which we don’t know whether they have or not until the real unveiling, but if they haven’t changed it, this is what it will look like. So it’s not the technical preview that we get every year, but it is nonetheless a look, shall we say, at what could be the new rankings.

Chris Williams:

And one thing about the preview, you don’t really see it when you’re hearing it. Preview is also in scare quotes. So it’s also kind of like a fully acknowledging don’t go bet money on this, but if you got some extra cash,

Kathryn Rubino:

Is there a market? Can I put money in some Irish account that will let me win if I bet that Yale will not be the number one law school?

Joe Patrice:

I think it’s Macau. We need to find a lawyer who flies there for games or something to find

Kathryn Rubino:

Out. Well, do you know Tom Goldstein?

Joe Patrice:

I do not. Those are all allegations we don’t know.

Chris Williams:

Well, I Allegedly have 15 bucks on WashU ranking Precinct.

Joe Patrice:

Well, so yeah, let’s start there. Well, the biggest thing, so there are two rankings here. There’s one that was kind of set up without taking into account the broader Z-score aspect of the US news and then one that does, and I think the most important part of it, which Chris as an alum has already flagged. Congratulations, wash You.

Chris Williams:

Well, it’s a sleeping giant. It’s been referred to as the Harvard of the Midwest, largely by people that didn’t get into Harvard, me being one of them. So I’m just happy with that name. I just want to say I still think the world of both of you, both Joe and Kathryn, despite Cornell and NYU being much lower Columbia. But yes, I did not go to Cornell either way, either way, wherever y’all went. Yeah, my school is presumably better and I’m going to bask in that for the next five minutes.

Joe Patrice:

Yes. So Washington University in St. Louis has been on kind of the outside looking in of the T 14 for a while now, kind of living in that 15 to 17 zone. The initial rankings without that, this is all by Paul, Karen from Pepperdine broke down all these numbers. You can always catch him at Tex prof blog Wash U, who has lived just outside of the T 14 is third in the unfiltered rankings and still fifth when you insert the Z-score aspect. So there is a chance based on this preview that we’re going to see not only new faces in the T 14, we are going to see a massive jump into the top five by Wash U

Chris Williams:

Outside looking into Uplink down.

Joe Patrice:

And outside of that top five are perennial CCN schools, Columbia and NYU Chicago is still in there at four, but they’re even getting surpassed by UVA in the weighted bottle.

Kathryn Rubino:

And obviously we’ve talked about this a little in previous episodes as well, that the sort of shakeup that’s happening, we’ll see what the actual rankings will look like in my guess is that it will be nothing quite as shocking as these. And I think that’s why US News has kept the way that they’re going to do it secret right? Because I think part of what has made the US news rankings the sort of standard bearer in the industry is that they don’t change dramatically from year in, year out. That they’re have a general tone to them. People know approximately where these major loft schools fall on the ranking, and I think that too much of a shake actually hurts and undermines their brand and I feel like they’re very much aware of that and whatever else goes into their secret sauce, it will look different, but not shockingly different.

Joe Patrice:

Yeah. Well, so one of the big aspects is that they do include a lot of bar passage and stuff like that, but the real secret sauce that is not involved in these purely data-driven rankings are all of the peer assessment and lawyer judge assessment. There’s almost a quarter of these rankings are always every year put together by asking folks who do you really think is the best? And as one might imagine this is a lagging indicator and the people who are Stanford law grads who have been around forever are going to continue saying Stanford is higher than the seven that they are in the rankings based purely on these data numbers. So a lot of that’s going to get filtered out that will push people down. The question though that I think is interesting is it takes a lot to push you down from five in these raw data numbers. I think there’s a very high likelihood, even though five is not going to be where I think Wash U ends up, they’re going to be in the T 14. I think

Kathryn Rubino:

So I think that’s true.

Joe Patrice:

It’s hard to push you all the way down from five, even when you insert all of these numbers that are going to reflect history, these numbers are going to push the Y-H-S-C-C-N schools much higher. But yeah, I will also, let’s transition from Wash U for a second to note. Texas A and MA school that didn’t even really exist when I started working at Above the Law is tied for 13 in the first set of numbers and in 11th in the next set. That is a wild jump from barely not really being real to that USC and UCLA both represented in these numbers. So the battle for LA can continue up there. Yeah. So yes, that puts, what is that? I’m looking a lot of Big 10, a lot of Big 10 action. That means

Kathryn Rubino:

Well they’re following in the Ohio States.

Joe Patrice:

Well the irony of course. Yeah. Well you say that. I was going to go the other direction who’s not in any of these numbers is Michigan, who actually is for Top 14 school. So I don’t quite know what’s going on there. It’s weird. I don’t know what to do with all these numbers. Obviously rankings are kind of a weird game Above the Law does its own or is there more outcome-based than input based? Yeah, so we’ll look at those soon too. But yeah, it’s very interesting. We should be getting the actual US news rankings relatively soon, so stay tuned for that.

Kathryn Rubino:

Will do.

Joe Patrice:

Cross your fingers and go bears there. Hopefully my violets can come back. God, my entire life has been, that’s not a competitive name my

Kathryn Rubino:

Entire life. That’s my undergrad. It is a bad ass actual mascot. First of all, it’s not the mascot, but we actually have the bobcats is nyu

Joe Patrice:

You sport under the Bobcats. But violets is separate,

Kathryn Rubino:

But the violets is the mascot of our heart and I love it. It was actually a real selling point for me when I was considering which undergrad to go to. I was like, yes, I would love to be the Violets. Of course my high school mascot was in fact the Seagulls, which is a garbage bird, literally eats garbage as a bird. So Violets felt at least very deliberate in what they do.

Joe Patrice:

My life has been a string of increasingly less intimidating mascots. I finished with the Violets, the ducks were before that. It is just been a trend downward from, I think my first mascot ever was, I think a dragon. So I’ve been really on a slide.

Chris Williams:

Can’t relate. I went from the Scarlet Knights to the WashU Bears. So I’m just getting more aggressive and prestigious as time goes on. There

Joe Patrice:

You go. Alright, so let’s talk about some of the court battles that are going on. The Department of Justice. They had their feelings hurt and they need a safe space.

Kathryn Rubino:

I mean, it is kind of unfortunate because the DOJ or the people who are leading the DOJ certainly feel like when they get their feelings hurt, they lash out in real vindictive ways.

Joe Patrice:

Well, normally, as the entire right wing movement has always said, this is why we have an explicit tag. They always say, fuck your feelings. But as one viral tweet that has been living for a long time correctly, put it No, no, I said, fuck your feelings. My feelings are a delicate baby hummingbird that should be catered to at all times. While they are all about videos of A SMR videos of ruining people, immigrants lives when they get asked questions that they don’t have answers to, they are very, very sad. And Judge Res, who’s overseeing the armed services trans ban, which is an executive order that Trump signed to ban trans folks from the armed services currently serving the armed services, that of course would be illegal because there’s discrimination laws, as we all know, Gorsuch helped out the liberals on that one and recognized that trans discrimination is sex discrimination, therefore illegal. So it would be illegal to ban trans service members. So instead, the way in which they worded this executive order was to say that by being trans, you’re committing an honor violation because that means you’re lying to yourself or something. That’s their argument. They put that out there. Judge Reyes asked some questions and those questions were harsh. She asked

Kathryn Rubino:

No harsher than the actual executive order that they’re in there defending. Right? Correct. This is a vile executive order that says awful things about the trans community. And I think having to defend it is actually a worse thing than any of the questions that Judge Reyes asked. Oh

Joe Patrice:

Yeah. So they’re asking these questions, judges asking questions about how is this not pretextual? How is this not seem retaliatory and getting driven by animus

Chris Williams:

All very threshold questions.

Joe Patrice:

Yes. And the DOJ attorney responded with stuff like, well, I don’t really know what the president would say about this. The response was, I think you do. You just don’t want to say there were, I don’t know how this functions the judge saying, it’s not like I pulled you in off the street. You’re the government’s lawyer here. This is what you’re supposed to be prepared to answer. These questions culminated ultimately in the DOJ not being willing to describe what animus means, at which point the judge said she has revised her court rules and will not allow graduates of UVA to speak in her court because she knows that they’re all liars. And then ordered him to sit down and then brought him back up and said, now explain to me how what I just did to you does not constitute animus driven discrimination. Anyway, these were all very funny and they were an amazing display of a judge absolutely obliterating a lawyer dissembling in front of her. And you kind of feel bad for these career DOJ lawyers who have to defend the indefensible, but also hilarious. But I mean, a lot of these folks, especially at the career level, they didn’t sign up for any of this. They just have to put through the motions until they can find a law firm to hire them and get out. Which is something that I think a lot of the DC area Justice department folks and other agencies are currently doing. But that’s neither here nor there. So

Chris Williams:

Also neither here nor there, it was nice to see Joe cover a judge discipline story that didn’t involve handcuffing children.

Joe Patrice:

That’s right. Yes. Finally, we had a judge. She wasn’t doing that. So it was a change of pace for me. So anyway, that’s the story. That was very funny. We all talked about it. We all had a good laugh on Above the Law and social media, and it was followed up with the DOJ writing, the chief judge of the DC circuit. Judge SVA is saying, we’re very unhappy with Judge Reyes and we are reporting her because this is unacceptable for her to be so mean to us and we demand that our feelings be recognized. They argued that this action of making him sit down was wholly unnecessary. One would potentially counter that. It seemed very necessary after he refused to answer her questions, they also complained that she at one point used the initialism WTF in the proceedings, which I mean, tell me you’re an old Pearl Clutcher without telling me you’re an old pearl.

Kathryn Rubino:

I mean, I am rolling my eyes so hard right now. I

Joe Patrice:

Sprained them while I was reading the order. They’re finally coming back to normal. So I think this is going to be a pattern that we’re going to see for a while here of intentional cruelty, intentional ruining of people’s lives, followed immediately by whining and crying fits whenever somebody remotely questions that activity. Sure, this is going to be a trend which is horrible for the state of democracy and the health of the republic. It is wonderful if you write for Above the Law because this is going to provide me content for years to come here, at least the rest of this term, and then the rest of after we cancel election. So the rest of that. Yeah.

Kathryn Rubino:

Yeah. And that’s that news.

Joe Patrice:

So I think that covers on a

Chris Williams:

Brighter note. On a brighter note. That’s the show. On a brighter note, you don’t have to listen to us anymore.

Joe Patrice:

Thanks for listening. As always, everybody, you should be subscribed to the show if you aren’t already. I assume you are, but you should be that way. You get new episodes when they come out. You should leave reviews, stars, write things. It always helps every one of those pushes you up. The little algorithm that the podcast services use to recommend it to other people in particular, like maybe there’s some new prospective law student out there who needs to know that Wash U is moving up the ranks. You can help that by writing nice things as a review. You should be checking out other programs. Kathryn’s the host of the ot. I am a guest on the Legal Tech Week Journalist Roundtable most weeks. You should check out other shows by the Legal Talk Network that we aren’t on, but they’re still great. You should be reading Above the Law so you can read these on other stories before we talk about them here, check us out on social media Above the Law dot com is the website and you find that on Blue Sky. I’m Joe at Joe Patrice there. Kathryn is at Kathryn one, the numeral one. Chris is Wrights for Rent, which is Wrights as in he’s a writer for rent. And some I still linger on Twitter where everything’s basically the same except on Joseph there, Joseph. And with all that said, pace we’re done. Peace. Thanks everybody.

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