3 Real-Life Uses for Generative AI in Legal; Empowering Women Lawyers with Rachel Clar; & “Town in Upstate NY, Town in Rural Alabama, or Discontinued Household Cleaner?”

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Jared Correia: Thank you to Clio, Smokeball and OnTask.

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Intro: It’s Legal Toolkit with Jared Correia, with guest Rachel Clar, we play Upstate, New York, Rural Alabama or Household Cleaner and then get your thinking caps on, Jared stretches your conception of reality by diving into linguistic paradoxes. But first, your host Jared Correia.

Jared Correia: The Legal Toolkit podcast runs deep and yes, it’s still called the Legal Toolkit podcast. Even though I have no clue what a Precision T Rule does, is there such a thing as an Imprecise T Rule? I don’t know. I’m your host, Jared Correia. You’re stuck with me because David Letterman was unavailable, his fulsome beard ate him.

I’m the CEO of Red Cave Law Firm Consulting, a business management consulting service for attorneys and bar associations. Find us online at redcavelegal.com. I’m the COO of Gideon Software, an intake platform for law firms. Learn more and schedule a demo at gideonlegal.com.

Now, before we get to our interview today with Rachel Clar of Interconnected Us, let’s talk some more about AI. I mean, everybody’s doing it. All right, so this is probably not the last time I talk about AI. It’s definitely not the first time I talk about AI. I’m already kind of sick of it but I think some stuff needs to be said.

So at this point I think that AI, artificial intelligence, is an assistive technology for attorneys, other business owners and just about everybody else. It’s not dangerous yet though spoiler alert, guarantee you it’s going to become dangerous and it might lead to the downfall of humanity. Pretty shitty stuff, but I think we have a little bit of a window before that happens. So you probably read out there that AI does this thing called hallucinating, which I think is a bad term for what that actually is, which means basically the AI make shit up, right.

So you’ve probably seen the story, there’s been two, I think, one in New York, one in Texas where lawyers have input case law into AI, that’s not accurate. The case law was essentially made up by AI. And one of those lawyers was like, hey AI, are these accurate sites? Now, let me just say this, you’re fucking moron, if that’s how you’re checking your sites. That’s just the way it is.

Like A, yeah, it’s an assistive technology in much the same way that a paralegal would be an assistant in your firm. Again, take what your paralegal drafts as a brief and not even look at it. No, of course not. Are you going to tell your paralegal hey, are these sites good without looking at them? Oh, sure.

Because I’ll tell you why. AI is not going to be like, yo, Ted, you caught me, bro. I made of those sites. It’s not going to happen. AI is programmed to provide you a solution and when it can’t provide you a solution it will make things up. So like any other assistive technology, you have an oversight responsibility as an attorney so just oversee it. That all being said, that shouldn’t dissuade you from using AI. When you’re an early adopter, shit like that happens and you should be an early adopter because for far too long, attorneys have not been that.

So I wanted to talk about three real life used cases for attorneys using generative AI. I am not talking about legal tools yet, I’ll get to that in a second. If you’re using ChatGPT, if you’re using Google Bard, just are hacking around with the stuff. You haven’t done anything with it yet. Here’s three things you could try and let me get credit to my guy Josh Noffke, out of Michigan is an attorney that I’ve been doing some AI presentations with.

We cover some of the stuff in a program we run. But this is not an exhaustive list by any stretch of the imagination. So here are three things you can do with the generative AI tool. You may be saying to yourself, what is sir, a generative AI tool? Good question. I’m going for like the easiest definitions of AI that I can get for attorney. So generative AI, I think of it this way, it produces or generates content, images for you, could be any kind of content. Like I said, it could be images, could be text, essentially useful for attorneys, right because they are going to generate content and there is different types of content that you generate.

A lot of people are talking about blogs, right because it used to be the Google as marking down AI content. That’s not happening anymore. So what can you do from a substantive practice level and from an administrative standpoint with generative AI?

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Well, here’s one thing, I’ve known attorneys who are drafting total complete contracts or utilizing AI generate contract clauses. And, you know what they are telling me, this might be a theme here, it gets it about 80 to 90% of the way there. It’s a good starting point, but then they need to polish it up before they actually utilize it. Yeah, that’s about the strategy with AI in general. Okay so, that’s one thing you can do. What’s another thing you can do? Emails that you’re drafting to clients and attorneys that you’re working with, you can have AI draft that as well.

Again, you’re not just cutting and pasting right, you’re reviewing stuff, you’re editing it. AI is getting quicker and quicker, especially the degenerative AI tools like try ChatGPT 4, ChatGPT 4.5 is coming out, this stuff is getting faster. It’s definitely faster than you in drafting an email. So put some bullet points in there. Throwing some guideposts, created useful prompt and you may be able to find an easy way to generate that email correspondence that lawyers hate, but have to do constantly.

Another thing I think is interesting is utilizing AI to generate workflows or processes in law firms. So I’m a consultant, is AI going to put me out of business, I don’t know, maybe at some point, but for right now again, it’s an assistive technology. I have clients in mind that I’m happy to jump into ChatGPT and be like, okay, we’re going to design a workflow. Let’s use ChatGPT to get us started and then oh, I can tweak this or I can change that. That’s helpful to me, saves time for everybody. I’m good with that.

So, again, three ways you can use AI, non-exhaustive list, think of some others for yourself. It’s the first step you review it and you tweak it, couple of things I would say here and around it out, one is yeah I’m not necessarily dropping confidential information into an AI tool at this point especially for regenerative AI tool, especially like open AI, which who knows what the fuck they do with that data.

So use placeholders for names, try to exclude confidential information, that’s the way you roll there. And then the other thing that’s going to be helpful moving forward is there already are a number of and they’re going to be a lot more coming out. AI tools in legal software so you’ve already got brief drafting tools, research tools, e-discovery, case management software is coming out with AI features and that’s a little bit safer in the sense that if you’re using AI to generate stuff in LexisNexis, you can check that against their case law database.

So with generative AI tools that you’re using for free ChatGPT which everybody uses, you’re just accessing a data set that they have, that’s not legal specifically, it’s not built for lawyers. But the cool thing about the software is researching others is that not only are they going to be able to access the benefits of like a ChatGPT, which has this external learning model where they have a certain set of information that that boss is learning from but you’re also going to be able to use the internal data that the legal software has.

So that could be data about legal research, that could also be data about the way you search, that could also be data about the way other attorneys search on the platform, that gets a lot more granular, a lot more specific and there going to be some really cool things coming out in terms of AI, we’re only at the forefront of this and you should be looking at it and utilizing it and testing it out as an attorney because it’s going to be a big part of your practice moving forward. Be an early adopter so you understand it before, it’s forced upon you.

Wait I was kind of serious. All right, let’s find out more about what our sponsors can do for your busy law practice. Before we talk regarding the value of mastermind groups for female attorneys with Rachel Clar, then stay tuned as we traverse western New York in the rump roast which remains unaided by AI technology, which is just the way we like it.

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Jared Correia: Okay everybody, let’s get to the meat in the middle of this legal podcasting sandwich. Today’s meat is turkey, is the other, other white meat. All right, that’s enough of that bull chunk. It’s time to interview our guest. We have today, making her first, and hopefully not last appearance on the Legal Toolkit podcast, it’s Rachel Clar, the Founder and CEO of Interconnected Us.

Rachel, welcome to the show. How you doing?

Rachel Clar: I’m so excited. I’m good.

Jared Correia: Really?

Rachel Clar: Thank you for having me. Yeah.

Jared Correia: Oh my pleasure. So you just started this company Interconnected Us. So just talk to me about that. Like, I like to get the founder’s journey. People are interested in it. So, how did you get here and how did you start this company? What does it do?

Rachel Clar: Thank you so much. So it’s building an online community for women lawyers and it’s giving them a safe space to talk about the questions they can’t get addressed elsewhere. So, women, of course women lawyers have bar associations and have organizations that they could participate in everywhere, but they don’t have a place where they’re in a psychologically safe space. That’s really what I’m creating.

So we’ve got cohorts, we’ve got an online platform that we’re launching where people are going to be able to join and have these kinds of conversations.

Jared Correia: So wait, you’re saying that these female lawyers don’t feel comfortable going to their 80-year-old white male boss and being like let me talk about my feelings for real.

Rachel Clar: I know, I know it’s hard. It’s hard to believe but –

Jared Correia: What a shock.

Rachel Clar: I mean I think one of the problems we have as lawyers is the brave face and it’s like part of the reason you qualified, you find yourself going to law school is you’re a tough cookie, right, you’re a good student, you’re a good reader, you’re good kid, but you’re also maybe argumentative, maybe you believe in justice, there’s all kinds of qualities, good and bad is my point but the profession itself is arguing and worrying. I don’t mean to pathologize but that’s like –

Jared Correia: Pretty much.

Rachel Clar: What you do, I mean if you are managing risk, then you are going to debate about how to manage it. So when you get to a certain point in our journey, you get to this level where if you want to keep going, you need to drop some of those habits that got you where you are now. And so that’s really what we’re talking about is personal growth and it’s surrounding ourselves with others who are on that journey as well.

Jared Correia: Okay, Rachel, you know that like meme online where it’s like things guys do to avoid therapy.

Rachel Clar: Yes.

Jared Correia: Is that one of the reasons why you chose to work with female lawyers only, to start with.

Rachel Clar: Well I love female, I mean, I noticed that the women I like to surround myself are female lawyers and female entrepreneurs, it’s women who are brave and tough and we’re still human. There’s still stuff that happens in our lives, so it’s when you get lawyers together in a room in particular, women lawyers, you get strategy and empathy. And so, who else would I want to take my real life too? I love these conversations.

Like when we have our guards down, it’s unbelievable how women are able to get the questions answered that they can’t ask publicly, and then they’ve got a path forward to write that book, give that speech, go for that promotion, open that business.

Jared Correia: Do you find some reluctance for people to join groups like this because I mean you’re not necessarily sharing your deepest darkest secrets, but maybe you’re sharing your like biggest business fears.

Rachel Clar: That’s right.

Jared Correia: So does it take some convincing sometimes to tell somebody like, okay, this is a viable place to do this and especially for your solo like, who else do you have to talk to?

Rachel Clar: Right yeah so convincing is something I try to consciously move away from. I’m putting out there what I’m doing and if people are interested, but I definitely agree like there is a significant segment of people who go to law school.

Jared Correia: Posting maybe how about encouragement, encouraging. Is that better?

Rachel Clar: Yeah, yeah welcoming.

Jared Correia: Welcoming, that’s right.

Rachel Clar: Even encouraging is aggressive. Yeah, I would say welcoming so it’s — I mean, there’s a lot of us that again, part of the psychology of why you go to law school. Some people were in childhoods, where they were shamed if they were vulnerable and so discussing anything where they show any weakness, including about their business, I agree with you, is like a total non-starter.

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I mean, there was this one woman who wanted to have a coffee chat with me and we were just talking and she, as I was describing, like, having real conversations and such, she rolls her eyes and she is like, oh no, no, I’m just here for networking.

Jared Correia: Oh really? Oh my gosh.

Rachel Clar: And I am like well that’s not what we are doing. I mean you can get that anywhere like that’s — to me that’s a dime or dozen. Like these are deep connections you’re going to get, we’re going to have real conversations, you’re going to take off your mask and be real and no one’s forced to to your point but it’s women who choose to, who are like, I want to get ahead and I’m willing to do the work. I’m willing to go there. I’m brave including in this way.

Jared Correia: So the thesis, part of the thesis, and I’m not going to put words in your mouth, so I want you to explain this obviously, part of the thesis is, if you can get passed this issue that comes up, which could be like, it could be some personal roadblocks, it could be some business roadblocks, you were a more effective and efficient business runner.

Rachel Clar: Absolutely.

Jared Correia: Okay.

Rachel Clar: And even if you’re in a firm and or if you work as a lawyer in government or in the business world, you don’t have to be practicing. I didn’t practice for a lot of my career, they’re transferable lessons. So if it’s how you deal with the inner critic that you have, how you strategize to get in front of your target audience, all these pieces, these are the kinds of conversations that we can have and we can discuss the barriers.

Jared Correia: So identifying the obstacles, trying to get people who have passed it like that inner critic thing is really interesting because we’re both lawyers, like right like, I think a lot of attorneys have this impostor syndrome, this really baked into what they do and I’m sure that you do a little bit of that trying to overcome that as well.

Rachel Clar: Oh yeah, yeah. I mean, I’ve done a lot of work, part of my origin story is my journey with Buddhism and all kinds of personal healing work like ripping off layers of certain habits like that that are the same ones that got me to law school.

Jared Correia: Right, right, right.

Rachel Clar: So it’s like toughness, being argumentative, being critical, being judgmental like and again I don’t mean to pathologize at all lawyers, have these traits or some to the law.

Jared Correia: You are in a safe space to do that. You can talk about that stuff.

Rachel Clar: I mean but dropping those has given me so much more power in the world everywhere. So it doesn’t matter if I have a business or if I work for someone else but like my confidence to put anything out there to create to be public just to be as visible as I am now, like, all of that comes from having important conversations in spaces with people, where I felt like I could share.

Jared Correia: So the Buddhism angle is interesting to me.

Rachel Clar: Yeah, I love talking about it. Yeah.

Jared Correia: Yeah. Well let’s talk about that because like that it sounds like you’re probably extracting some of the lessons from Buddhism in your personal life and then also, how you run this organization. So feel free to explore the studio space a little bit on Buddhism. I’m interested to hear.

Rachel Clar: I love it. I love it. This is a safe space, thank you. I call myself a compassionate disrupter and something that I have struggled with in the last year is like what’s the messaging I should use around that, like what exactly does that mean and like Gandhi is like the North Star, right. I just kept saying in my marketing friends like Gandhi figured it out, I’m going to figure it out.

Like if it’s too compassionate, it gets too soft, I’m very ambitious and I believe it, I believe we have degrees, we’re powerful women, we are leaders, we’re not just powerful women, we’re powerful leaders and we have a voice and we deserve to be at the table just like you do.

And by the way, I’m of course speaking as a white woman, like our colleagues who are of color are under recognized in a thousand ways, have a much harder time than I do. And so it’s really like that piece is important to me as well.

Jared Correia: Wait, are you also saying diversity and inclusion is issue in law firms? This is totally news to me.

Rachel Clar: I know, I know it’s shocking, yeah.

Jared Correia: All right, I want to spend a little bit of time on the logistics and how that works. So you’ve chosen a mastermind as the model. Now, let me tell you, I’ve been in some fucking weird masterminds just between me and you, not suggesting that yours is going to be one.

Rachel Clar: Don’t publish it, let’s keep it quiet.

Jared Correia: Why did you pick that format and like how do you think it furthers what you’re trying to do?

Rachel Clar: Okay, so I was started with the mastermind, the mastermind is actually the doors are closed right now and I’m like moving towards this online community that’s casting a wider net. Yeah so obviously all about the mastermind.

Jared Correia: Oh so talk to me about the – well talk to me about the online community then because that seems to be the direction this has taken so like how does that work, and do people communicate that because that’s like the mastermind thing is like real time conversations. And of course, online community, somebody could post at 3, somebody could respond at 7 a.m. Like, what does that like?

Rachel Clar: Yeah, yeah. So we’ll just to put it out, just to like fully put it to rest. The mastermind is a small group, peer-to-peer learning experience and it’s facilitated by me and soon, when they reopen it, there will be others who facilitate as well.

Jared Correia: Oh amazing.

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Rachel Clar: Yeah, that’s really bringing people into about an eight-person room where they’re having a conversation twice a month and so that’s really a deep dive that’s much more high-touch, it’s more of a time commitment. So that’s an hour-and-a-half every twice a month.

Jared Correia: Got you. Okay.

Rachel Clar: So the community though is $149 a month and we’re launching on the circle platform, which is really interesting. There’s a public space that anyone can participate in for no cost or probably be doing some events there. And then the paid members will have access to the majority of the features. So within the community, that’s where we’ll be having expert events, coaching calls and then peer-to-peer, all kinds of peer-to-peer learning opportunities.

Jared Correia: That’s really cool.

Rachel Clar: Yeah, yeah. I’m so excited about it and what makes it really unique in a very different experience than going to the women’s bar events in your town is, is that the parameters of how we’re going to keep a safe space. How we’re going to respect one another and that’s again where some of my personal journey comes — really comes in and informs how we’re going to do that.

Jared Correia: That’s cool. So it sounds like tons of options there. And then are you still squeezing private coaching into this as well. Like can you make that happen too because you got a lot of offerings in place?

Rachel Clar: Yeah it’s offered right now. I don’t know if it’s going to be around for a lot longer but I mean I love helping people so that’s — there’s like certain topics I especially love to coach on and when I meet someone who really needs the hand with this or that, it’s something I really enjoy.

Jared Correia: Every lawyer I’ve ever talked to his like I’m like, why do you do what you do and they are like I want to help people. So you’re in league with that, for sure.

Rachel Clar: It’s comforting to hear.

Jared Correia: Rachel, this is really fun.

Rachel Clar: Yeah.

Jared Correia: Thanks for going over all this stuff. I appreciate it. Will you come back for our last segment?

Rachel Clar: I would love to come back for your last segment. Thank you.

Jared Correia: Are you sure, okay.

Rachel Clar: Then I get to host, right.

Jared Correia: Yeah, yeah. After that, you take over those from me. Sorry, buddy, this is my last podcast. No, we will take one final sponsor break. So you can hear more about our sponsor companies and their latest service offerings. Then stay tuned. That’s right. It’s the rump roast. It’s even more supple than the roast beast.

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Jared Correia: Welcome to the rear end of the Legal Toolkit. That’s right. We are back at it as the rump roast. It’s a grab bag of short-form topics. All of my choosing. Why do I get to pick? Because I’m the host, at least for now.

Now Rachel you’re out in Western New York you said right, Rochester area.

Rachel Clar: I am, I’m in the Finger Lakes region. Yes.

Jared Correia: Finger Lakes, beautiful.

Rachel Clar: Yes, known as Wine Country.

Jared Correia: Yes. Yes. I’ve had some relatives lived up there. All right. So I’ve seen some shit in Upstate, New York. Let me tell you. So I wanted to play a little game. It’s called Town in Upstate New York, Rural Town in Alabama or Discontinued Household Cleaning Products. Here is how we play. This maybe goes without saying, but I’m going to give you three names. One is going to be a town in Upstate, New York, a real town. One is going to be a rural town in Alabama, and one is going to be a discontinued household cleaning product. Maybe I didn’t need to explain that.

You’ll need to identify, which is which. I think this is going to be fun, at least I do. Are you ready to play?

Rachel Clar: Yes, let’s do it.

Jared Correia: All right, here’s your first group. Duanesburg, Childersburg, Radium spray, one is the town in Upstate, New York, one is the town in Alabama, one is a discontinued household cleaning product, which is which.

Rachel Clar: I think we in New York have a Childersburg and so I am going to put Duanesburg in Alabama, and radium spray I’m going to guess is discontinued household product.

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Jared Correia: These are going to get harder, but you got radium spray, correct. That was a household cleaner that they sold in the 1920s. That was a bug spray, a disinfectant, and furniture polish, sounds super healthy.

Rachel Clar: Oh awesome.

Jared Correia: Yes.

Rachel Clar: Yeah.

Jared Correia: All right, Duanesburg is actually in New York.

Rachel Clar: It is, Duanesburg?

Jared Correia: Yeah.

Rachel Clar: Wow.

Jared Correia: I’ve driven through Duanesburg and it was pretty fucking creepy. So it is, it was originally known as Duanesbush for some reason and it is home of the American revolutionary era clergyman, get this Blackreach Burritt, that’s quite the name and –

Rachel Clar: Wow.

Jared Correia: And Childersburg is in Alabama, home to professional basketball player Gerald Wallace who was involved in the Kevin Garnett, Paul Pierce trade from the nest of the Celtics.

Rachel Clar: Thank you for clarifying that.

Jared Correia: I think not bad.

Rachel Clar: Yeah, is he from that trade, was that the trade.

Jared Correia: Full effects, full effects. All right, you are ready for group 2? Fairhope, Cyanogas, Cyanogas I think I’m pronouncing that correctly, Neversink, Fairhope, Cyanogas, Neversink.

Rachel Clar: Oh God, this is getting harder. This is getting harder.

Jared Correia: Yeah.

Rachel Clar: Cyanogas, I’m going to claim for us, I am going to guess that’s in New York.

Jared Correia: Okay. What else we get, Fairhope and Neversink.

Rachel Clar: Fairhope and Neversink. Neversink I’m going to put in Alabama and Fairhope for cleaning.

Jared Correia: All right, we are all for three on this one. That’s all right, this is a tough one.

Rachel Clar: Okay.

Jared Correia: Cyanogas is actually a real gas. It was a gas use spray in your house to kill rats in the 20s and probably kill your children also.

Rachel Clar: Wow. I feel like you’re a time traveler.

Jared Correia: I wish I was that would be amazing. Neversink is in New York. It’s on the Neversink River, and it claims to be the birthplace of American fly fishing. So, how about that?

Rachel Clar: That last part is impressive, but Neversink of such — it’s like, the jokes are too easy.

Jared Correia: I know.

Rachel Clar: You said that I was like, oh, don’t go there Rachel.

Jared Correia: We always go there on this show. Fairhope is in Alabama, it’s on Mobile Bay and it was founded by followers of The Economist Henry George in case you’re interested.

Rachel Clar: Oddly enough. I don’t know that much about Alabama.

Jared Correia: Neither do I, but let’s keep going and pretend as if we did.

Rachel Clar: Let’s keep going. Yeah, clearly I am made for this.

Jared Correia: Group 3, group 3, Eufaula, Tahawus and Vim. Eufaula, Tahawus and Vim and I’m not making up any of these words. What do you got?

Rachel Clar: Can you repeat them? What are they, Eufaula, Tahawus and Vim?

Jared Correia: Yeah, yeah, that was perfect.

Rachel Clar: Okay, Eufaula in New York, Tahawus kind of sounds like Florida, Alabama, Vim, yeah Vim is short and zippy that’s the cleaning product, but I always, I keep doing that. Yeah, go on.

Jared Correia: No, you’re spot on. Vim is a powder based cleaner release a 1904 and it’s actually still use in Canada, India and Sri Lanka in its liquid form, but you did get the cities mixed up. Tahawus is in New York, it’s actually a ghost town in New York.

Rachel Clar: Ooh fun.

Jared Correia: It’s been abandoned twice once in 1857 and once in 1989.

Rachel Clar: Wow. ‘89, why would the town be abandoned in 1989?

Jared Correia: They started a mine there and everybody came to work in the iron mine and then they did like a titanium dioxide mine, whatever that is and they left again, so it was a mining town twice over, pretty interesting back story.

Rachel Clar: Maybe not that fun though.

Jared Correia: No probably, probably not a place you want to hang out.

Rachel Clar: Okay.

Jared Correia: Eufaula is in Alabama, it’s on the Chattahoochee River and if you’ve seen the Reese Witherspoon movie Sweet Home Alabama, that’s where they film a lot of those scenes.

Rachel Clar: I’m wondering if this is a covert pitch for your wife’s travel agency.

Jared Correia: It could be. Don’t tell anybody. Although I don’t know that she’s booking a lot of trips to Tahawus, New York.

Rachel Clar: I know, you’re really selling the hell out of this.

Jared Correia: Go to Disney instead everybody. All right we got group number 4, Butternuts, Evergreen, and Rinso, one is in New York, one is Alabama, one is a household cleaner.

Rachel Clar: I really want to Rinso is the household cleaner but I’m going to say Evergreen.

Jared Correia: Okay.

Rachel Clar: And Rinso, and Rinso, Alabama and I didn’t remember what the first one was, what’s the first one?

Jared Correia: Butternuts, the most memorable of all.

Rachel Clar: Butternuts should be here. Oh, Butternuts should be here, we got Butternuts, I just felt that a butternut squashes, that’s here.

Jared Correia: You do, Butternuts is in New York, correct.

Rachel Clar: Yay.

Jared Correia: Rinso is actually the household cleaner. You fell into my trap. It’s a laundry detergent that was discontinued in the 70s here in the States, but it’s actually still the most popular laundry detergent in Indonesia.

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Evergreen is an Alabama. Wayne Frazier who was the starting center for the Kansas City Chiefs and Super Bowl 1 was born here.

Rachel Clar: Thank you for clarifying. I will not sleep over that one.

Jared Correia: And then – well they got some wild trivia, so the first female pilot who was ever enetered the US Navy, her plane crashed there in 1982 so.

Rachel Clar: In Evergreen, Alabama.

Jared Correia: Yeah. Wild, check out the Evergreen, Alabama Wikipedia page, it’s pretty wild. All right, I got one more for you.

Rachel Clar: Thank you.

Jared Correia: Okay. Group 5. Yes, only one more okay.

Rachel Clar: I will make it shop.

Jared Correia: Du Fold.

Rachel Clar: Du Fold.

Jared Correia: Triangle, Triangle and Mentone, household names. One is household cleaner, one is the town in New York, one is the town in Alabama. What do you think?

Rachel Clar: Du Fold, Triangle and what?

Jared Correia: Mentone, Mentone.

Rachel Clar: Mentone, Mentone.

Jared Correia: Do you mean to say you’ve never been to any of these places?

Rachel Clar: Du Fold, Alabama.

Jared Correia: Yeah.

Rachel Clar: Triangle, New York, Mentone is the cleaner.

Jared Correia: Triangle, New York is correct.

Rachel Clar: Okay.

Jared Correia: Settled in 1791. Du Fold is actually a self-wringing mop that they sold in the 1950s and Mentone is in Alabama, named after Menton, France. They had an earthquake there in 2003, which is kind of crazy.

Rachel, that was pretty good actually. You did a really good job there. You got a lot of them right.

Rachel Clar: It actually was?

Jared Correia: Yeah, you got a lot of them right. I mean I just threw this shit at you, like you’ve never heard of any of this stuff before, you didn’t even know what you were going to do, you acquitted yourself very well. Thank you.

Rachel Clar: Anytime man, I just want to be like a regular, I just want to be a regular.

Jared Correia: All right, we will talk to you about that. All right, take it easy, we will talk soon.

Rachel Clar: Love it, thank you, thank you.

Jared Correia: If you want to find out more about Rachel Clar and Interconnected Us visit interconnectedus.com, that’s interconnectedus.com, check it out. Now for those of you listening in Butternuts, New York and Triangle, Alabama, we’ve got a new Spotify playlist built just for you. Actually not by I asked a generative AI Bot to create a 20 song playlist including only songs about AI.

Now you can listen to the results. We are very Meta here. You know that. Now sadly I’ve run out of time to talk about the crocodile paradox, so we will return to that next time or will we? This is Jared Correia, reminding you to gas the fuck up before you drive through Upstate, New York.

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