Narnia Kicks Ass; eDiscovery 101; and “The Heat Index”

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Intro: It’s the Legal Toolkit with Jared Correia.  With guest, Shree Sharma around of Heat Index, and then we show you how to increase your revenue 20-fold with nothing but a slingshots 30 pounds of tile grout and an encyclopedic knowledge of Nancy Drew.  But first your host, Jared Correia.

Jared Correia: It’s the Legal Toolkit folks, but we don’t actually build or fix anything.  I mostly just talked a lot about how things are so much better in the 90s.  That’s right, it’s me, your host Jared Correia.  Joe Rogan is shooting himself up with HGH right now so he was unavailable.  I’m the CEO of Red Cave Law Firm Consulting, a business management consulting service for attorneys and bar associations.  Find us online at www.redcavelegal.com.  I’m the COO of Gideon Software, Inc.  We built chatbots so law firms convert more leads and conversational document assembly tools so law firms can build documents faster and more accurately.  You can find out more about Gideon at www.gideon.legal.

Before we get to our interview today with Shree Sharma from Haystack, I want to talk about religion — well kind of.  If we’re being totally honest that’s probably a subject I should never touch, but maybe I can get away with talking about a religious allegory perhaps.  Sure, let’s try out.  So I actually love to read, believe it or not.  I read an absolutely ridiculous amount of books from the age of 8 all the way up to my early 30s.  I was reading novels in the first grade.  It was kind of my jam.  Of course, I don’t really read anymore right since the internet’s turned everybody’s brains to mush and kids are expensive.  Somebody’s got to pay for that trip to Maui, am I right?  Actually, that’s not entirely true, I still do read.  I read to my kids as often as I can.  That is my can tear them away from all these dip shits on YouTube.  If they stay up later any night, it’s probably because I get carried away and read too many chapters.

So right now, I’m reading them Book 1 of The Chronicles of Narnia.  Yes, I said it, the chronic what coals of Narnia?  The first book is called The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe and it’s an overt religious allegory, pretty thinly veiled in fact.  The hero of the book Aslan, a lion is a Jesus figure whose resurrected from the dead.  Sound familiar.  That’s pretty on the nose.  It’s written by C.S. Lewis, a British author and theologian who is active in the mid-20th century.  The C.S. stands for Clive Staples, but who’s counting?  Now, you may be asking yourself, how is it that a crass iconoclast like yourself, Mr. Correia would enjoy such a book.

Well, in the first instance, I’d like to think of myself along the line for John Donne mincing the sacred along with the profane, plus I went to Catholic school for 13 years.  But mostly it’s because The Chronicles of Narnia kicks ass and because C.S. Lewis is a great writer.  Yeah, let’s start with that latter proposition.  For a religious writer which he largely was, I mean he was a theologian after all.  C.S. Lewis was super inventive and also pretty playful.  One of his best works in my opinion is called The Screwtape Letters where he imagines the senior devil tutoring a junior devil about how to do this job, really cool book.  And while it’s supposed to be a cautionary tale, the devils also seem like they’re having a lot of fun too, and I feel like Clive Staples is just cheeky enough to pull that off and straddle the fence.  Of course, C.S. Lewis could also take things in an entirely separate direction.  His essay collection A Grief Observed about the death of his wife is profoundly moving actually.  I mean, I go way back, way back catalog on C.S. Lewis.  I’ve even read Till We Have Faces, his last time unpopular novel that resets a Pagan Greek myth and service of answering deep religious questions that kind you ponder when you’re stoned on the field, and not that I would know.  It’s actually really good book.

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But for all those mature works of fiction, I still like The Chronicles of Narnia, the best.  The first book is still the best of the best.  There are seven.  The last was called The Last Battle, that’s pretty dope.  It’s basically the Book of Revelation for kids — fucked-up kids, but kids.  I especially like The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe and I loved it when I was a kid, because it dealt with what I felt at the time were pretty adult themes.  Animals were turned to stone or killed who’s a vicious wolf that lead a secret police organization.  Edmund is kind of a bastard.  The which is super evil and frightening as one gets his main shaved off in a stabbed to death.  I mean C.S. Lewis was a real G.  I feel a really bad shit could happen at any time when I was reading his books and that’s thrilling when you’re a kid, and I feel like it just never left me.  Plus, the end of the book is a total mind fuck.  Even now, 35 years later after I first read it, I still can’t quite get my arms around it.  It troubles me to this day, seriously.  Now, I’m not going to tell you what it is, of course, you just have to read it.  So it was really kind of cool now to be reading these books to my kids and secretly hoping that there is weird as me, and there’s a good chance that they are.  Every night now, when we brush teeth before bed, they retreat into a corner of the bathroom, pull the door closed on themselves and tell me they’re going to Narnia.  And every time, I feel compelled to check just to make sure they’re still there.

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Jared Correia: Okay, it’s about time to get to the shellfish tower from The Barking Crab, that is this podcast.  Let’s interview our guest.  My guest today is Shree Sharma, Vice President of Business Development at Haystack.  Shree, welcome to the podcast.

Shree Sharma: Jared, thank you for inviting me to be on.

Jared Correia: Oh, it’s my pleasure.  It’s a really hot day as we record this.  Air conditioners are off, so we’ve got some time constraints here.  We can’t podcast forever.

Shree Sharma: Get to it, Jared.

Jared Correia: You’ve just made the move to Boston, Massachusetts, right which is very close to where I live, and now the summer has been apocalyptic, so what happened here?

Shree Sharma: So I had always been dreaming of living in New England and said to myself —

Jared Correia: Wait, is that a real thing?

Shree Sharma: That’s a real thing, it happens.

Jared Correia: Is this like quaint and interesting?  What is it about New England that you find so charming?

Shree Sharma: Well, I had never lived in a place that had seasons.  Having been born and raised in Southern California and then living in Miami for 17 years, so I said, what’s the worst that could happen and lesson learned.  Don’t ask what’s the worst that can happen because you summon a global pandemic?

Jared Correia: Yes, and then whatever supreme being exist was like global pandemic, heat wave, murder hornets.  Welcome, welcome to New England.

Shree Sharma: That’s pretty much how it went.

Jared Correia: Oh boy, okay let’s talk about happier subjects.  How about eDiscovery?  What’s about that?

Shree Sharma: What’s happy like eDiscovery.

Jared Correia: I know nothing about eDiscovery but I’d like this podcast to be good.  So maybe you could talk to me like an idiot and there shouldn’t be much pretending involved there about in general, what eDiscovery is, what that means in 2020 versus like 2010 and just get folks up to speed on like what that encapsulates and then we could talk specifically about how to fix probably small to mid-sized firms, which is probably most of the people are going to be listening to the show.

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Shree Sharma: So I will not explain anything to you like you’re an idiot, but that does remind me of something an old law school professor of mine used to say which was explained it to me like I’m six.

Jared Correia: All right, that’s better.

Shree Sharma: Okay, so “discovery”, as you know, being the phase of litigation where both sides have the right and obligation to exchange non-privileged material that’s relevant to their claims and defenses.  The “e” that we have added onto the front of discovery simply pays homage to the fact that nobody keeps bankers’ boxes full of paper records, and so no one’s going during the discovery process to an old musty warehouse to sort through budget and flattened spiders and I try to find information that might need to be produced to opposing counsel or to the regulators, for example.  So what has sprung up surrounding this entire process is the EDRM, Electronic Discovery Reference Model.  So you can think of it flowchart style, left to right.  On the left-hand side, it starts with information governance data mapping where does your information reside.  So in the event of a collection circumstance, you can quickly put your hands on the data which can be and frequently is in 2021 found in a variety of disparate sources, and we refer to that information as ESI, which stands for Electronically Stored Information.

Jared Correia: Okay, this is good.  Can we stop for one second there because I’m already lost.  So ESI, I get that.  EDRM, is that a set of standards that somebody’s developed?

Shree Sharma: Yes.

Jared Correia: Okay.

Shree Sharma: The Sedona Conference is what this team, it’s a think tank in the eDiscovery world.

Jared Correia: Okay, so the EDRM is coming out of the Sedona Conference and they tackle about information governance and then there was another part there as well that I forget, sorry.  So the information governance part is really — if I’m understanding this correctly just locating where the information is or storing it in the right spot, kind of deal.

Shree Sharma: And it’s understanding in advance where the data resides.  So you’re not scrambling when you do need to collect it to understand which custodians have, which information is anything archived.  So this whole process, you can have a can and should have a data map letting you know where it resides in the first place.

Jared Correia: Got you, okay.  Feel free to continue, I think I’m caught up.

Shree Sharma: So the next step is going to be once you’ve conducted your collections and you’ve conducted them, presumably in a forensically sound manner which means in a way that does not alter any of the underlying characteristics of the data in the course of its collection —

Jared Correia: Preserving the data in an appropriate way, okay.

Shree Sharma: Yes, and going about your collections attempt in a way that retains as much as possible.  The data in a manner that renders it, viewable, visible, listenable, whatever the word is, that is most similar to the way in which it would appear in its ordinary course of use.  So for example, if it’s Slack data, the collections methods have evolved to be able to collect Slack, Teams, Microsoft teams or Facebook data, in a way that is similar to how they’re going to appear in the ordinary course of Facebooking for example.

Jared Correia: That will have to be a massive challenge, right?  Because there’s so many of these tools that proliferate and become popular and even those that are less than popular, you still have to capture those in some cases as well.  Not everybody’s using Slack or Teams for collaboration.  I would imagine that that’s going to be one of the toughest parts of this.

Shree Sharma: As I understand it, it is.  Tools and technologies in the eDiscovery world need to evolve as quickly as tools and technologies in the ESI world are evolving.

Jared Correia: Right.

Shree Sharma: You have to keep up.

Jared Correia: Well put, yes.

Shree Sharma: So having conducted your collections and the next step is going to be processing where you are pulling the relevant information and document properties from the data.  So you’re extracting the metadata, and what does that mean when was a Microsoft Word document authored or when was an email sent, who were the recipients, was it opened, were there read receipts on.  Next stop on the way is going to be where I have spent the majority of my eDiscovery life which is sending the data that has been collected and sorted, two teams of document review attorneys and working with outside counsel, working with the litigant to figure out what are the parameters of this review, what’s the deadline, what are we looking for, what are hot documents, of course implementing –

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Jared Correia: What’s a hot document?  That sounds exciting.

Shree Sharma: Well, I’ll give you an example.  Many years ago, I was working on a matter that was not litigation.  It was an internal investigation and outside counsel called me and said — no she sent me an email saying, “Please call me immediately” and I wanted to do this via email.

Jared Correia:  Can you just email me, if that’s fine.

Shree Sharma: Sent me a home (00:15:33).  So we got on the phone and she seemed incredibly uncomfortable and finally, hummed and hawed and finally came to this and she said, “Listen” – So Jared, this is a family owned business.  Not necessarily a small business but it was a couple at the home and it turns out that the husband was having a series of affairs and conducting his affairs with as man does, his work email and –

Jared Correia: Naturally, he can go to the aol.com account for that.

Shree Sharma: Well, I threw it way back.  So yeah, the purpose of the conversation with outside counsel was, could you please give us a heads up if you in the course of your review encounter any of these hot documents if you will so that we could give the gentleman a heads up in advance, so that he can do his damage control preempted.

Jared Correia: Wow, so that would be the hottest of hot documents, I guess.

Shree Sharma: Exactly, and customarily, a hot document would be more like something that’s the Perry Mason’s smoking kind of document that you would come into the courtroom waving room.

Jared Correia: That’s really interesting, okay.  It’s great.  I love diving into these terms of art.  So you have been doing is kind of like coordinating the effort among these disparate players, right?

Shree Sharma: That’s an awfully awfully elegant way of saying it yes.

Jared Correia: Thank you, you’re too kind, but I would imagine something like this need somebody to quarterback the operation.  I don’t know if you’ve heard but a lot of lawyers I know are not super technically savvy, so anytime you put an “e” in front of something, especially something as robust as discovery, that can be a challenge.  So I guess like from your perspective, who is the most difficult to deal with in terms of these relationships?  The attorneys?  Litigants?  Others involved?

Shree Sharma: I don’t know that there’s intuitively any particular party who I have found most difficult to deal with.  I think what can be a challenge is navigating different stakeholders who are coming to the table with different interests.  So frequently, you have the litigants in-house counsel that is understandably concerned with cost.  You have outside counsel that is not unconcerned with cost for its client, but outside counsel’s paramount concern frequently is the defense ability of the review.  And so coming in as a third party and in theory, the technology expert, it can be difficult to thread that needle between particularly if both of those two parties have an established relationship than you’re coming in as an outsider–

Jared Correia: You know like the third wheel, right yeah.

Shree Sharma: I was trying to find a more delicate word than that, but yeah, let’s go with third wheel.

Jared Correia: Sorry, I can be blunt.  So in terms of the work that gets done on eDiscovery, I would imagine a cost is a sticking point for a lot of this.  I can more than imagine like I know this can get really, really costly, so I’m just wondering on behalf of like firms who are listening to this, is there a way to do this as cost-effective?

Shree Sharma: My advice in cost can and should be a concern, I will cite to you a statistic that is hotly contested and nevertheless frequently thrown around and that is that in this entire process I have described 80 percent of the costs are typically spent on the document review.  So that’s an area where it’s right for technology —

Jared Correia: Yeah, that’s really awesome.

Shree Sharma: Well, that’s the human component.

Jared Correia: Yeah, I was going to say that’s still mostly done by humans, but as you’re just about to say, there’s some opportunities to add more technology to that, right?

Shree Sharma: There’s certainly are lots of opportunities for reducing the data set.  So some of the tools and technologies that can be implemented, you can bring what might have started as a three million document data set down very steeply.

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So you can reduce the data set at inception of the review before it goes into the hands of the document review team, but it can also be an iterative process.  Some other tools have the ability to bubble to the top of the pile from which the document reviewers are pulling.  Those documents that are predicted by the system based on ongoing review to be the most likely to be relevant.  What can happen with this method of active learning is you can reach a certain point where that system is predicting to you that there are 80,000 documents that remain unreviewed and it can separate into tranches with a corresponding percentage likelihood of responsiveness all of those 80,000 documents.  So you as an ALSP, you can consult with outside counsel and the litigant as needed to have conversations about when it makes sense and retains a defensible result to cut off review.

Jared Correia: Okay.  So there’s a lot of mechanisms that you could pull here to potentially reduce cost and then one of the moving forward I suppose would be, I guess do you envision a point in time where large scale eDiscovery could be conducted without document review people?  Do you think there’s a world in which this can be done entirely using software?

Shree Sharma:  I think if there is such a world, it exists not in the coming two or three years.

Jared Correia: Yeah, that’s true.  So we’re thinking like 5, 10 years down the line for something like that.

Shree Sharma: Based on what I have seen and how I am watching the industry evolve, I believe that for the foreseeable future, there will always be a human element in the document review.

Jared Correia: So I’ve got one more question for you that want to dress before we get to the next segment.  And that is, I feel like eDiscovery is probably going to touch every attorney at some point in their career even small firm attorneys.  So if you’re somebody who doesn’t deal with eDiscovery on a regular basis or maybe it’s the first time you’re trying to conduct it, what should you know going in that can make it a little bit more seamless and streamlined for your firm?

Shree Sharma: I don’t know that this is the answer that you’re looking for but my advice would be, you should know that there are competent ALSPs out there who can and should be brought in as early as possible in the process.  And I think Jared, you and I have had some side conversations about courts being much less likely to be sympathetic to claims of accidental spoliation now than they might have been five years ago, and so there is a growing regardless of whether you’re a sole practitioner or a practitioner at big law.  There is a growing expectation from courts that there be a relatively high degree of competence that you be current and conversant in the tools and technologies of ESI.  So it really becomes incumbent I think particularly on small firms to conduct a realistic appraisal of their own degree of facility with the tools and technologies out there for electronically stored information and to bring in competent outside experts if there’s any doubt of their own abilities.

Jared Correia: I think that’s a great answer and I think this happening in places other than eDiscovery as well, like I think what’s been made clear over the last year and a half that lawyers just have to do a better job of understanding and utilizing technology.  That’s not necessarily, just your main eDiscovery, but I thought that was great, yes, he got helpful providers as well for sure.  Shree, this is great.  Thank you.

Shree Sharma: Well, it was wonderful to be here.  Thank you so much.

Jared Correia: Wait, don’t leave yet.  We got a whole other segment to do.

Shree Sharma: I was ready to exit of this call and go on my way.  What are we doing though?

Jared Correia: You’ll see, you’ll see in a moment. 

Shree Sharma: Okay.

Jared Correia: All right everybody.  That was Shree Sharma from Haystack.  As I mentioned, Shree will be back soon so sit tight.  That’s right, we’ll take once final sponsor break so you can hear more about what our sponsors can do for your law practice then.  Stay tuned for the rump roast is even more supple than the roast beast.

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Jared Correia: Welcome to the rear end of Legal Toolkit.  As promised, it’s the rump roast.  It’s a grab bag of topics all of my choosing because it’s my podcast.  Shree, it’s been super hot this summer, right?

Shree Sharma: Super hot, and that’s coming from somebody who spent 17 years in Miami as I said.

Jared Correia: Do you feel like it’s been hotter here in Boston than it was recently in Miami?  I mean, I feel like it’s like 90 degrees every day here and humid.

Shree Sharma: It’s been punishingly hot.

Jared Correia: Guess it turns out that motherfucker Al Gore was right.  Now —

Shree Sharma: The guy who invented the Internet?

Jared Correia: Shree, I don’t usually talk about the weather on this show but I feel like if anybody can make it fun, it is probably you.

Shree Sharma: Oh my God, we’re doing a weather (00:26:26), is that what’s happening?

Jared Correia: It’s happening right now.  In honor of these horribly oppressive heat waves, we’re going to introduce a new game to the show.  I’m calling it The Heat Index.  Basically, I’m going to ask you a bunch of questions about weather and hot stuff.  Are you ready?

Shree Sharma: I’m going to be ready right after I give you this commentary that you invite me on to your podcast and we talked about eDiscovery and whether.

Jared Correia: I thought it would be fun.

Shree Sharma: I want to know, I want to know what listenership numbers you get on this.

Jared Correia: I can’t understand if it’s fun in an ironic or unironic way, but we’ll figure that out.

Shree Sharma: Okay, let’s do this thing.

Jared Correia: All right, here we go.  I’m going to throw some softballs your way first just to ease you into this and then we’ll get into some deeper questions.  Question number one, you spent some time in Miami, what’s the name of the NBA team in Miami?

Shree Sharma: The Miami Heat.

Jared Correia: Okay, ding ding ding.

Shree Sharma: Go Lakers!

Jared Correia: Oh, you a Lakers fan?

Shree Sharma: I was born and raised in Southern California, it caught up with veins I believe purple and gold.

Jared Correia: Oh my God.  Oh I hate the Lakers with every fucking of my being.

Shree Sharma: I got to go.  I got to go.

Jared Correia: I can’t even tell you how much I hate the Lakers.  I’m having a visceral reaction to this right now, but that’s okay –

Shree Sharma: I cannot apologize for my hometown love.

Jared Correia: That’s alright, I’m from Boston, I like Celtics.  We can move on, we can move on.  All right question number two, we’re still in the softball area.  The 1995 movie that starred both Al Pacino and Robert De Niro was called?

Shree Sharma: So this isn’t a softball because I live under a rock and don’t watch movies so I’m going to say Scarface.

Jared Correia: No, it’s Heat.

Shree Sharma: Oh I see where – I was supposed to get that –

Jared Correia: You sense the theme here?

Shree Sharma: I was supposed to get that.  Okay.

Jared Correia: All right one more, will do one more softball question, you got this.  Complete the title of this Glenn Frey song released from the Beverly Hills Cop soundtrack in 1984, The ____ Is On.

Shree Sharma: Okay, at least two out of three, The Heat Is On.

Jared Correia: All right, you did great.  Those are softballs questions.  Now, let’s get into a few questions that’ll be a little harder.

Shree Sharma: Okay.

Jared Correia: When will the sun die, five years from now according to Al Gore?  Five billion years from now or 50 billion years from now?

Shree Sharma: I’m going to go with option B.

Jared Correia: Yes, correct.

Shree Sharma: No way.

Jared Correia: Five billion years from now our sun will die.  Sadness.  Hello, I’ll be less than dust at that point.

Shree Sharma: Just integrated, yeah.

Jared Correia: I’ll be alright with it.

Shree Sharma: You and me both.

Jared Correia: Okay, let’s stick with the sun theme.  In the 1961 Twilight Zone episode, the sun is hurtling closer to the Earth and the situation is becoming dire.  The twist is that the protagonist has a fever and was only dreaming.  The sun is actually moving further away from the Earth and the planet is getting colder.  Goddamn, I love the Twilight Zone.  Okay, what’s the title of this episode?  Please tell me you’re a Twilight Zone fan.

Shree Sharma: I’m not.  The Sun Also Rises.  I don’t know.

Jared Correia: That’s a great guess, that’s a great guess.  All right, so this is called the Midnight Sun.  Tremendous episode of Twilight Zone.  So tell me I have to know, have you seen an episode of Twilight Zone before or?

Shree Sharma: Years and years ago.

Jared Correia: Oh man, I’d love the Twilight.  I do Twilight Zone marathons with my kids, it’s a great show.

Shree Sharma: Where can I, where can I find reruns?

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Jared Correia: Netflix?

Shree Sharma: Okay.

Jared Correia: Midnight Sun.  All right, I got two more questions for you and then we’ll let you go.  How much heat is required to incinerate a tooth?  And when I say this, let me just tell people, this is not personal experience, I’m not a serial killer or anything.  Is it 200 degrees Fahrenheit, 2000 degrees Fahrenheit, or 20,000 degrees Fahrenheit?  And let me just be clear, I’m asking for the heat required to incinerate a tooth completely obliterated, 200 degrees, 2000 degrees, 20,000 degrees.

Shree Sharma: I’m going to go with 20,000 degrees.

Jared Correia: Oh, that’s a good guess, but it is actually 2000 degrees.  I probably would have gone with that number too.

Shree Sharma: I was just thinking that teeth never seem to — they’re always the last things —

Jared Correia:  That’s why I was interested in this question.

Shree Sharma: — the serial killer theme.  Okay.

Jared Correia: Yeah, forensics like teeth are always the last thing.  That’s why I was interested in Googling this.  Again, no personal experience with burning teeth, that would be really fucking weird.  Okay, I got one more question for you.  What is the hottest pepper in the world?  I’m going to give you three choices, one of them is correct.  Is it the Carolina Reaper, the ghost pepper or the satanic panic?  I even made one of those up.

Shree Sharma: Is there option D?  I was like is there option D.  Jared just made this up.

Jared Correia: No, they all have these names.  Only one of these is made up.  Carolina reaper, ghost pepper or the satanic panic?

Shree Sharma: I feel like it’s the ghost pepper.

Jared Correia: Oh good guess, it’s actually the Carolina Reaper.

Shree Sharma: Appropriately named.

Jared Correia: They grow this pepper to ensure this like the hottest pepper in the world.  So here’s some fun, so there is a method for measuring the heat of hot peppers.  There’s a special scale for this.  It’s called a Scoville scale and this thing is 2.2 million Scoville heat units and they do this by measuring the concentration of where it called capsaicinoids because capsaicin is the chemical responsible for the spicy sensation in a pepper.  We are here to teach the masses about random shit at the end of the podcast, so thank you for helping to contribute to that.

Shree Sharma: I mean, this is really helpful.  I just want to make the world a better place.

Jared Correia: And I hope like next time we get together, we can talk a little bit about the Twilight Zone, that would be fantastic.

Shree Sharma: I will have watched the episodes by then.

Jared Correia: Excellent.  So that was it.  That was the rump roast.  Thank you, Shree, you’re on fire.  Did I do that?  No but all seriousness, thanks for coming on the show.  You are great.

Shree Sharma: Thank you for having me, Jared.

Jared Correia: Excellent.  All right, if you want to find out more about Shree Sharma, probably check out her LinkedIn and visit haystackid.com.  That’s H-A-Y-S-T-A-C-K-I-D .com for more information about Haystack eDiscovery.  Now, for the 752 of you listening in Florida, Massachusetts, that’s right there’s four in Massachusetts – our Spotify playlist for this week’s show is Hot Songs.  Yes, that’s right ladies and gentlemen.  The hit is on.  

It appears we’ve run out of time for me to tell you how to multiply a revenue 20-fold.  I guess you just have to re-read the Nancy Drew series yourself.  That will do it for another episode of Legal Toolkit podcast where my bees of sweater sweating.

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