Jim Carrey Should’ve Won an Oscar, Making Virtual Conferences Better, and the Rump Roast: Celebrity Nicknames

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Jim Carrey Should’ve Won an Oscar, Making Virtual Conferences Better, and the Rump Roast: Celebrity Nicknames

01/13/2021

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Jared Correia: Welcome to 2021 everybody. Good times. This is the new episode of the award-winning Legal Toolkit podcast only on the Legal Talk Network. Twice a month we’re delivering law practice management tips and tricks directly to your ear holes. My name is Jared Correia and because Wink Martindale was unavailable, I’m your host. I’m the CEO of Red Cave Law Firm Consulting, a business management consulting service for attorneys. Find us online at redcavelegal.com. I’m also the CEO of Gideon Software Inc. We built chatbots so law firms can convert more leads. You can find out more about [email protected]. Before we get rolling, I’d like to take a moment to thank my mom for listening to every episode. Thanks, mom. I’d also like to thank our sponsors. There’s a reason you’re listening to this show right now. We would like to thank Alert Communications for sponsoring this podcast. If any law firm is looking for call, intake or retainer services available 24/7, 365 just call (866) 827-5568. Scorpion is the leading provider of marketing solutions for the legal industry with nearly 20 years of experience serving attorneys, Scorpion can help grow your practice. Learn more at scorpionlegal.com. TimeSolv is the number one web-based time and billing software for lawyers providing solutions since 1999, TimeSolv provides the most comprehensive billing features for law firms big and small, www.timesolv.com. One thing you can say about Jim Carrey is that he always commits. He is an actor who once forced his entire naked sweating body through a life-sized rubber rhino’s anus for the sake of a bit. Orson Welles tears up the bedroom in a rage in Citizen Kane, Jim Carrey protects himself from a rhinoceros’s butthole in Ace Ventura When Nature Calls. Potato potahto my friends. That is acting. Obviously, I love Jim Carrey. Not only is he my bucket list podcast guest. He’s also one of the funniest comedians to ever grace the planet frankly. So Jim Carrey owned the early 90s starting with his run on the sketch comedy show In Living Color and continuing through what was a truly unbelievable 1994 when he came out with Ace Ventura Pet Detective, The Mask and Dumb and Dumber in the same year. So The Mask was mostly kids’ movie that was based on a gritty comic book and they stripped most of the grit out of the film but the Ace Ventura films, Dumb and Dumber, those are some of the funniest movies ever made and 25 years later I can still quote all the dialogue from memory. And of course, you know, Jim Carrey still a popular comedian. He’s on Saturday Night Live right now doing Joe Biden, but by the way, if you want Peak SNL Carrey, I would suggest watching the skit where he’s a lifeguard at a hot tub with Will Ferrell, that shit is hilarious. While late-period Jim Carrey is represented by mostly children’s movies like Mr. Popper’s Penguins and Sonic the Hedgehog. It is unfortunate that he’s largely abandoned dramatic roles at this point is career because what most people forget is that Jim Carrey is also an excellent dramatic actor who is too often typecast in those comedic roles. Now interesting enough, Jim Carrey actually won back-to-back Golden Globe awards for Best Actor for the Truman Show, which came out in 1998 and if you haven’t seen that that’s really pression about how we consume content today. It’s a dude who is essentially kidnapped as a baby and his whole life is on television. That was 1998, 1999, he wins again for a Man on the Moon which is an Andy Kaufman biopic and if you don’t know who Andy Kaufman is I would suggest you do some research on that and there’s a great documentary on this too about how Jim Carrey basically lost his mind preparing for that role. That nomination though for Man on the Moon was for a musical or comedy neither of which could describe that film and that only reinforced the typecasting. Jim Carrey was also nominated for a Best Actor award by both BAFTA and the Golden Globes for Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind, which is a legitimately great movie. In that movie he plays a man who undergoes a procedure to have his memory wiped of impressions of his girlfriend after a bad breakup. Spoiler alert, it does not go well. So incidentally, Kate Winslet, his co-star in the film did get a Best Actress Oscar nomination for the film.

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Jim Carrey’s actually never been nominated for Academy Award believe it or not. And she’s continued to progress in what has become a much celebrated career as a dramatic actress. I suppose Titanic, a little film you might have heard of helped a bit there. And of course Kate Winslet never sold a decapitated parrot with a tape gun head to a blind kid in a movie so there’s that also. It’s truly unfortunate though that Jim Carrey never received any significant dramatic film roles after that outside of an unfortunate run of a couple of bad horror films in the mid 20 tenths. I think he deserved more of a chance to display his shops as a dramatic actor, even though that opportunity has probably passed. Of course, this is not necessarily an uncommon occurrence. Robin Williams never really got his due as a dramatic actor outside of the Oscar win for Good Will Hunting and more recently Adam Sandler’s manic performance in Uncut Gems was pretty much ignored by the award circuit, the major awards at least. So what did he do? He went and made Hubie Halloween for Netflix which sucks unsurprisingly. Side note, that movie filmed across the street from my house last summer and it’s still terrible. So here’s hoping that Jim Carrey gets another prominent film role deserving of his dramatic chops somewhere down the line and maybe a lifetime achievement Oscar as well. And if Jim Carrey’s publicist is listening to this little monologue. I mean, this sounds like a pretty good podcast to come on, right? Now let’s take a moment to listen to a word from our sponsors and we’ll be back. Alrighty, then. Imagine billing day being the happiest day of the month instead of the day you dread. Nobody went to law school because they love drafting invoices for clients. At TimeSolv our attorneys save on average over eight hours a month of billing work. That means more billable time and turning billing day into happy day. Learn more about how to get to your time and billing happy place at timesolv.com. That’s www dot T-I-M-E S-O-L-V leave off the E dot com. Remember that’s timesolv.com. Now more than ever an effective marketing strategy is one of the most important things your law firm can have and Scorpion can help. With nearly 20 years of experience serving legal industry, Scorpion has proven methods to help you get the high-value cases you deserve. Join thousands of attorneys across the country, return to Scorpion for effective marketing and technology solutions. For better way to grow your practice, visit scorpionlegal.com. Okay, welcome back. It’s about time to get to the olive salad on top of this muffaletta sandwich. Let’s interview our guests. My guest today is Melissa Rogozinski, CEO of RPC strategies. Melissa, thanks for joining us.

Melissa Rogozinski: Jared, I am absolutely delighted to be here. Thank you for having me.

Jared Correia: Good, all right. So this will be a very comfortable experience for you. I promise. So, why don’t you tell the folks listening who you are, what you do so they can get a little sense of where you’re at.

Melissa Rogozinski: Sure, thank you. So, Melissa Rogo, Rogozinski, because about 90% of the people that have known me my entire life cannot pronounce my last name. So when I was 14, they gave me the nickname of Rogo so you can call me Rogo. I have —

Jared Correia: Should I do that during the whole show? I can do that if you want.

Melissa Rogozinski: My friends call me Rogo, are you my friend?

Jared Correia: I would consider myself a friend, go ahead.

Melissa Rogozinski: I think you are. Okay. So, I’ve been in law for 26 years my entire career and I started out as a litigation paralegal for the first 11 years. I have a paralegal degree and then a few years later I went back to school working full-time during the day and got my degree at night in communications and marketing and then after I finish that degree, I got a position in sales working for legal tech companies selling court reporting and videography trial presentation and eventually e-discovery because we got acquired. So, that’s really where I got my feet wet in legal tech. A few years into that when the federal rules had changed in 2006, some lawyers and judges and I in Birmingham sat down and kind of discuss the idea that there was a need for better education because at the time everybody was really just focused on like New York and DC and Chicago and kind of the bet the company cases but you know practicing attorneys in places like Alabama weren’t getting the resources they needed so we came up with our own way of doing things and we created the ESI Roundtable. And it was a collaboration between lawyers and judges to do the education without a sales pitch, even though as a vendor I kind of facilitated it and it’s something that really worked for us. And that’s how I ended up in business for myself a few years later.

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Jared Correia: Gotcha. Thank you. We went deep all the way back to 2006 there. Thank you.

Melissa Rogozinski: Any more questions?

Jared Correia: Oh the questions are coming. Okay. So I know we wanted to talk a little bit about conferences. You got the series of conferences coming up. I’m going to get to that. Let’s talk about the conference environment and legal right now.

Melissa Rogozinski: Sure.

Jared Correia: You may have heard there’s a pandemic going on, times are strange right now.

Melissa Rogozinski: But you know what? Thank you for letting me know because as I just mentioned before, I rely on everybody else to give me the news so thank you.

Jared Correia: Well here I am.

Melissa Rogozinski: Thank you.

Jared Correia: Yeah, like we were talking about. We’re recording this on January 8. We had a good run in 2021. Good times. Now we’re looking like probably another I’m guessing nine months to a year before people go back to in-person conferences at least. So I think a lot of people are struggling with the virtual conference experience not everybody but many are both on the vendor side and on the attendee side. So do you feel the same way and what do you see as some of the issues of this conversion from a very in person based model to now everything shifted to the web?

Melissa Rogozinski: Yeah. I see one particular problem that pre-existed COVID and still is a problem today. I’m sure we’ll talk a little bit more in depth about that. But just a general interaction and engagement and ultimate ROI for vendors at trade shows and conferences was not good before COVID and it just took a nosedive since COVID in the virtual environment. And we’ve seen the bigger organizations try to go virtual. There have been some successes. There’s been some technology glitches, hopefully, everybody’s been patient about that because this is something that’s new to all of us in this environment. I think we’re seeing a lot of Zoom fatigue too. And so, the question is how do we make those – we’re going to be in this virtual environment for a while, I agree. I think we’ll be through this in this through the rest of the year, certainly. So, how do we make those virtual education opportunities more engaging, exciting and tolerable?

Jared Correia: Other than kegs, right? Because that’s one potential solution.

Melissa Rogozinski: Other than alcohol, yes.

Jared Correia: Yeah. So, I think this is true like on the vendor side. You’re right like vendors probably viewed limited utility and in-person conferences in some senses and now it’s even worse in virtual conferences. So like, how do you improve that? What thoughts do you have on that? Can you give us your best ideas? I won’t steal them. I promise.

Melissa Rogozinski: No, it’s fine.

Jared Correia: I totally will anyway, go ahead.

Melissa Rogozinski: That’s why I’m here, right? That’s so funny. I’m going to answer your question, but I was talking to one of my neighbors last night and he’s a good 20 years younger than me, and I happened to mention, “yeah, I’ve got to get to bed early and you know because I’m doing a podcast interview tomorrow.” He’s like, “Oh my god, you really are famous.” I was like —

Jared Correia: It’s true, you are.

Melissa Rogozinski: No, the person who’s interviewing me is famous, and he’s going to make me famous.

Jared Correia: Wait, really? All right. Yeah, let’s do this. Okay. So give us your best tips you get even more famous.

Melissa Rogozinski: So as far as what the vendors really want out of it, honestly, is the same thing that the attendees want out of it. They just want better engagement and it’s really that simple and everybody’s been doing things the same way and when we started doing the roundtable for years ago an attorney came to me with an idea and basically everyone on both sides of the fence is just tired of the sales pitch, the demo, the setting up a booth, and trying to get people to stop by in the middle of conference.

Jared Correia: Get your stickers at all the booths.

Melissa Rogozinski: Yeah and give me my little light-up pens or something like that or my squeezy balls. Oh the best one is being at a conference booth as a vendor and someone sending their kids around with a grab bag like it’s Halloween to get all the swag from vendors. Send your kids around. Well, you can’t say no to somebody’s kid, right?

Jared Correia: It’s true. My kids have so much legal swag. It’s ridiculous.

Melissa Rogozinski: So just better engagement and purposeful, meaningful engagement. What’s going to help me as a practitioner? Well, what does the vendor want? The vendor wants your business, but it has to be done in a more purposeful meaningful way.

Jared Correia: Yeah. So that’s one of the things that I think has been an issue in a lot of virtual conferences that I’ve attended. There’s a lot of talking and stuff, right? Even more so than it was in person. So what do you think are the best ways to generate engagement in terms of like communication in a group setting online? Because it’s tough to get people to participate because some people that don’t turn their video camera on, some people have terrible audio, some people don’t know their video cameras on. It’s an ugly situation, let’s be real.

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Melissa Rogozinski: Sure. I think first of all the best thing to do is to keep it in bite sizes. These half day, all day, or multiple days I think are really — those are tough because I’ve attended a few to keep it in by sizes. And one of the biggest problems that these major conferences have is that they were such huge revenue generators for them. And I think unfortunately when this happened, they were scrambling because they were going to lose buckets full of money by not being able to have these conferences. So I think the way that they pivoted and tried to recover I’m not sure how well it worked out for them. But I think keeping it bite-size, creating more engaging conversations, it can’t be just a one-way dialogue. It definitely can’t be a sales pitch or a demo and you really have to know who your audience is. You have to be very meaningful with the subject, the topic that you’re picking out, have a very structured short bite-sized agenda and take breaks to ask people “How are you doing? What do you think?” Get them engaged. Do a little polls, do a little surveys.

Jared Correia: Feedback is good. Yeah.

Melissa Rogozinski: Yeah.

Jared Correia: I like this notion of like multiple days, right? Because I do agree four hour or five hour, eight hour conferences is exhausting. How do you feel about these asynchronous events that take place? People set up conference, there’s space to talk in between sessions but not everybody’s there at the same time like they can access sessions at different times. Do you like that model or hybrid of that model? Have you used it?

Melissa Rogozinski: The multiple-day model, I did. I attended one probably three months ago over the course of three days and for us we actually kind of did a divide and conquer as a team because we needed different things out of it. And I’m running two businesses too so I can’t sit there and commit three full days to that but I cherry-pick the programs I wanted to attend. It was funny because one of my other consultants was attending a particular session with me, and I’m hunting like I’m the sales person in the company and he’s there for other information.

Jared Correia: Figuratively hunting. This is not the most dangerous game, right?

Melissa Rogozinski: I am such a hunter whether — Oh, that’s a whole other podcast Jared right now.

Jared Correia: We’ll do the hunting podcast later.

Melissa Rogozinski: Yeah, let’s do the hunting podcast later, but I’m attending the thing because I wanted knowledge from it, but then I was in the chat room and looking suit who was chatting, I could find them on LinkedIn. I would hunt them down right and then send him a message, connect with them, or the best thing that I would do and this is for everybody like you get into these things and you’ve got these opportunities and no one says anything. It’s crickets. So I’ll listen to a few sound bites and I’ll grab onto something and I’ll throw in a question in the chat and that’s all it takes just to be the first person to do it and then everybody starts talking. Oh, yeah, that’s a great idea. Who is this? And then I start hunting them down on LinkedIn and I start sending them a LinkedIn. “Hey, yeah, we got engaged in this conversation whatever, right? I’m hunting for prospects.” But somebody’s got to start the dialogue.

Jared Correia: Right, and it’s tough to get people and I think part of it like the other thing I see about like the conference aspect here is that everybody’s got Zoom fatigue. When somebody tells me “Oh, let’s go on a phone call?” I’m like gladly. I can sit in the chair. I don’t have to microphone set up. I don’t have to be on video. It’s great. Have you seen that as an issue in terms of online events, and then how do you get over that? Because I think people want to continue to stay connected but having constant video conferences is tough for everybody.

Melissa Rogozinski: Yeah and I think it’s kind of a two-edged sword when all of this started happening and we started getting on the Zooms. We enjoyed seeing each other, it was just kind of this camaraderie. Okay, we’re all in this together and it comforted people then people started getting comfortable with realizing we’re seeing each other in our homes with our children, our paintings, our pets or whatever like Leo the fat cat has made an appearance more than once, right? And then there was this realization, it’s like, “Oh wait a minute, we’ve always had this technology. Why haven’t we used it before now?” And it’s like ding ding ding, right? And it’s like you’ve got all those little tech pioneers and thought leaders. It’s like we’ve been telling you this for 15 years. It’s like what back to 3G? It’s like Hello

Jared Correia: Nice, extra points for Back to the Future reference.

Melissa Rogozinski: Oh, yeah, then I’m showing my age and so are you.

Jared Correia: Oh, I love Back to the Future unabashedly. But yes.

Melissa Rogozinski: Totally, I’ll binge it, totally.

Jared Correia: Like people can tell me that my dishes need washing because they can see my dishwasher. It’s good times, really.

Melissa Rogozinski: I work really hard at getting my lipstick on and drawing it between the lines and make sure my hair is fixed and the makeup because I’m the chief show pony so I have to make it seem right.

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Jared Correia: Right. Very nice, very nice. So the conference circuit, right? You got a conference coming up. So we’re going to be applying some best practices. I’m sure you want to talk about that for a little bit? A series of conferences in fact.

Melissa Rogozinski: Sure and thank you. Yeah. So what happened? We do have a series of short workshops coming up for 2021 and what happened is when we had the ESI Roundtable several years ago in Alabama, an attorney came to me one time and he’s like, “Hey, can you come up with a new idea for something? I just heard what you’ve got.” He’s like “I’m tired of these sales pitches and demos and I had a situation where I had all these meetings and I finally decided on a vendor. We get into the case and somewhere in the middle we realized they weren’t the right fit.” But by that time especially with E-discover you can’t pivot so he’s like, “can you come up with a way?” He’s like “I really like an opportunity to test drive the technology before I have to buy it.” And so we came up with this idea to do a next hands-on training workshops and it was back in 2013. And so yeah.

Jared Correia: Oh wow. You’ve been working on this for a while?

Melissa Rogozinski: We’ve done it a few times. Yeah, and so we planned it for August of 2013 and we planned this all day conference. And basically what I did is I had two sessions in the morning with educators and then two breakout sessions then we had lunch and then we did it again in the afternoon. Based on the topics of the conference because the topics are chosen by the attendees. They tell us what they want to hear about what they need to learn on and it’s really engaging too because it’s not just a silly speaking. It’s designed to be conversational but then I cherry-picked the vendors who sponsored it, the workshops to make sure that they lined up with the topic so that it actually made sense, right? So we talked about something now we’re going to show you a technology that can help you solve that problem, but it wasn’t a demo. What we did is we divided the attendees into small groups. And so, we’d be together for the educational sessions, but then we would have these pre-organized breakout groups and we would walk them around during the day to each separate room where the vendors were set up one at a time one. It was a trade show, was an exhibit hall, each vendor had their own small conference room and they stayed put, we walked the small groups of attendees around. Everybody brought their own computer. I worked with the vendors going into it to be very particular about what they demonstrated and I’m like “Do not give a sales pitch, do not give a demo. If you do, I will not invite you back. You need to teach them how to do something. You’re going to teach them how to test drive a component of this.” So we worked through that and the first time we did and I remember walking in that day Jared, and I thought “Oh my god, what am I doing? I’m never done anything like this before?” I was terrified.

Jared Correia: You’re like if we made a terrible mistake.

Melissa Rogozinski: But I bought a pretty new white dress. It was all like Pretty Woman stuff, right? So I bought this pretty new white dress and I walked in just owning it like I know what I’m doing and make the welcome and so the day goes on right and everybody stayed. Jared everybody stayed on time, on track, they went around with their group leader to each rooms and they did their thing. They move to the one. Throughout the entire day, you could feel the energy. It was like a volcano and by the end of the day, the volcano just erupted and spewed and everybody was excited and it was such a tremendous success and everybody is like “Let’s do it again, let’s do it again.” So we started doing it on an annual basis until — and I had a guest speak — Judge Peck was our first one and he was so funny. When I called him he didn’t know who I was from hole in the wall.

Jared Correia: Now you’re best buds, I bet.

Melissa Rogozinski: Oh my god. I pitched this idea to him and he’s like “Wait a minute, you want me to come to Alabama in August?” Yes, sir. Okay, so he did and we have some fun activities planned before the conference but then the conference went on and it was bite-size. It was all day. It is engaging with constantly engaging but it was meaningful and it was purposeful and by the end of the day, it was so successful. So we started doing annually until I had to take a professional sabbatical and about a year ago I was approached by a potential angel investor who later ended up with a conflict and he was like, “What’s it going to take to relaunch the roundtable?”

Jared Correia: Oh, there was demand. A demand for the roundtable.

Melissa Rogozinski: Well, he comes in and the first thing he says is “Well, what’s your number?” I was like “You have my number.” Why do you want my number and he was obviously talking about a different number. It’s not like “oh, okay.”

Jared Correia: Oh, that number.

Melissa Rogozinski: That number, okay, all right. But he ended up with a conflict but by then we had put together a new advisory board.

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And we had put all of the materials back together again and the people who were still involved just looked at me. We ran the numbers and it’s like we don’t need that much to do this. We can do this ourselves and just bootstrap this and let’s do it, right?

Jared Correia: Well, that’s the thing like what people don’t realize that you’re not booking hotels anymore. You’re not going to be buying food for people.

Melissa Rogozinski: I don’t have to buy flight to travel all over the place to the person.

Jared Correia: Yeah, and the overhead for this stuff is so low now. Absolutely.

Melissa Rogozinski: Yeah, so the only thing was that we had to figure out can we replicate the hands-on training part in a virtual environment, can we do it successfully without the technology breaking down and without some of the other issues that we’ve seen? Can we keep it engaging and make sure that everybody who comes to the table, the sponsors and attendees get what they want? And we beta tested it about half a dozen times and it worked.

Jared Correia: Beta testing conferences, good idea as well. Look at this, you’re bringing the heat. So we’ve reached the end of the interview segment. So I want to know two things.

Melissa Rogozinski: You want my number?

Jared Correia: Yeah. What’s your number? How can people find out more about the roundtables and then how can people find out more about you and RPC?

Melissa Rogozinski: Sure. So we do have two companies. RPC Strategies is risingphoenix.guru, the roundtables new website and new branding can be seen at RPCroundtable.com. and my number is (205) 873-1234. Yes. It’s a real number.

Jared Correia: You actually gave out your number, wow.

Melissa Rogozinski: Yeah, I’ve had that for 20 years.

Jared Correia: Everybody’s got your number now.

Melissa Rogozinski: Now everybody’s got my number.

Jared Correia: Stalker, I didn’t know you could get that. All right, so everybody Melissa is excited. I’m excited. We got Melissa’s number. Check out the roundtable, check out her website for RPC and we’ll be right back with the rump roast. The tail end of the Legal Toolkit. It’s even more supple than the roast beast. But first hear from our sponsors one more time. As the largest legal only call center in the US Alert Communications helps law firms and legal marketing agencies with new client intake. Alert captures your response to all leads 24/7, 365 as an extension of your firm in both Spanish and English. Alert uses proven intake methods customizing responses is needed which earns the trust of clients and improves client retention. to find out how Alert can help your law office, call (866) 827-5568 or visit alertcommunications.com/LTN. Welcome one and all to the rear end of the Legal Toolkit, the rump roast. It’s a grab bag of short form topics of my choosing so Melissa, we talked before about your nickname. It’s pretty cool nickname. Go by Rogo. So in this segment, this is when the podcast becomes a test of wills. So we roll out a little quiz almost every time so I got a quiz for you.

Melissa Rogozinski: Okay.

Jared Correia: I’m going to give you a list of some famous people who are known by their nicknames. I’m going to tell you the nickname and I want to see if he can give me the real name. Are you ready to play?

Melissa Rogozinski: I fail. Yes.

Jared Correia: Well don’t. Let’s start and see where it goes. I’m going to start off real easy for you.

Melissa Rogozinski: Okay, all right.

Jared Correia: And this is less a nickname than a pen name but I’m making an exception. Mark Twain. What’s Mark Twain’s real name?

Melissa Rogozinski: I don’t know.

Jared Correia: Okay, Samuel Clemens. All right, are you ready for number two? I think you got number two.

Melissa Rogozinski: Okay. All right so let’s go.

Jared Correia: JLo.

Melissa Rogozinski: Jennifer Lopez.

Jared Correia: All right, well, one for two.

Melissa Rogozinski: Thank god she makes 50 look good. I’m looking forward to it now.

Jared Correia: Is Jennifer Lopez really 50? Wow.

Melissa Rogozinski: Yeah, she’s over 50 so is Sandra Bullock so is Jennifer Aniston and I’m like “thank god, there’s life after 50.” So, I’m getting close.

Jared Correia: Much life after 50. Okay, next. It’s going to get a little bit harder from here on now.

Melissa Rogozinski: Okay, all right.

Jared Correia: Tony Orlando and Dawn. Musical group real names.

Melissa Rogozinski: Tony Orlando and Dawn? Let’s see this — no, this is why I should have been watching the news more often not relying on other people.

Jared Correia: I will tell you Tony Orlando and Dawn have not been in the news for quite a while. Got any guesses?

Melissa Rogozinski: I have no idea.

Jared Correia: The first part is easy. Tony Orlando’s name. Actually, Tony Orlando. Dawn is two people, two backup singers. Telma Hopkins and Joyce Vincent Wilson. So if you haven’t listened to Tony Orlando and Dawn a little while, here’s your opportunity to do so. All right, I’ve got two more for you. Have you been feeling confident? Are you ready to roll here?

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Melissa Rogozinski: No, I feel like I’m going to fail but keep going.

Jared Correia: Well, we’ll go ahead anyway. Okay nickname number four. I’m going to give you a category, sports.

Melissa Rogozinski: Oh my god, please don’t let it be Alabama football.

Jared Correia: I don’t have any Alabama football —

Melissa Rogozinski: Okay, okay, right.

Jared Correia: Why? Would you know all those or would you be embarrassed if you didn’t?

Melissa Rogozinski: Move on.

Jared Correia: Okay, the Splendid Splinter? Who’s that?

Melissa Rogozinski: I have no idea.

Jared Correia: All right. Well, this is good. This has become a very educational podcast.

Melissa Rogozinski: Mean Joe Greene.

Jared Correia: Oh good guess but I think he’s nickname is Mean Joe. Splendid Splinter, Ted Williams, Red Sox player in the 1940s. Okay number five. Let’s go back to music for this one. You’ve got the southern thing going on. You’re in Alabama, I kind of have expectations for this one.

Melissa Rogozinski: I hope they’re low.

Jared Correia: This nickname is Bocephus. Who’s that? Country singer, I’ll give you a clue.

Melissa Rogozinski: Oh Jesus. I know this one point, it’s not Jesus Christ.

Jared Correia: No it is not Jesus. Jesus was not known as Bocephus.

Melissa Rogozinski: No.

Jared Correia: But good guess.

Melissa Rogozinski: Oh my god, it’s on the tip of my tongue. This is so bad. I know exactly who it is and he drinks a whole lot. I know that.

Jared Correia: Yeah, well, I mean, that could describe any country singer. All right. Hank Williams Jr.

Melissa Rogozinski: Williams Jr. Yes.

Jared Correia: Correct.

Melissa Rogozinski: Jesus. Oh, that’s right, it’s not Jesus Christ. I keep forgetting.

Jared Correia: No, no. Bocephus is not Jesus, we’ve established that. So he was named after a Grand Ole Opry comedians, ventriloquist dummy, which I don’t think that’s particularly complimentary nickname by his own father that way.

Melissa Rogozinski: My middle name my parents let the woman who shared a hospital room with my mother give me my middle name.

Jared Correia: What? Is your middle name Bocephus?

Melissa Rogozinski: No, it’s not Bocephus.

Jared Correia: Are you willing to share or no?

Melissa Rogozinski: Sure. It’s Melissa Renee Rogozinski.

Jared Correia: Well, you did pretty well. Like she could have named you Seven or something like that and that would have been just weird.

Melissa Rogozinski: Or have you seen the seventh child of Elon Musk? I saw it in a news article today.

Jared Correia: I didn’t know he had seven children. I guess he can afford them.

Melissa Rogozinski: It’s a bunch of digits and some made-up Elven alphabet letters and apparently neither parent can pronounce the child’s name.

Jared Correia: Stray. What’s wrong with people? That kid sure to not be messed up.

Melissa Rogozinski: But he is now the richest man on the planet.

Jared Correia: Yeah, he could have 700 kids, it’d be okay.

Melissa Rogozinski: Just call your kid X.

Jared Correia: Yes, all right. So we delved into kid’s names now. I think that’s probably a good point in time of which we should stop in what we’re doing. So Melissa, thank you. Your grades for — you did pretty well on the quiz I have to say. I’m personally proud of you.

Melissa Rogozinski: I got JLo.

Jared Correia: I’m personally proud of you.

Melissa Rogozinski: I’m thrilled. JLo she makes me happy.

Jared Correia: I’m also going to give you Hank Williams Jr. because you knew who that was. I feel like you knew who that was.

Melissa Rogozinski: All right. So maybe barely passing grade.

Jared Correia: I’m going to give you like a 50 which is passing in my book. If that was baseball average, you’d be getting 500, you’d be doing really well. No that’ll do it for another episode of the Legal Toolkit podcast and we don’t do humans.

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