Pro Tips for Managing Your Newly Distributed Workforce

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The Legal Toolkit

Pro Tips for Managing Your Newly Distributed Workforce

07/21/2020

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My guest today is Timothy Bowers, the managing partner of VLP Law Group based in San Francisco. Tim, thanks for coming on today. Can you tell folks a little bit about yourself and your work?

Timothy Bowers: Hi Jared, it’s great to be with you and thanks for having me. Critical stats first, I’m 43 years, old married for 14 years to a wonderful woman who also happens to be a practicing attorney. And we are proud parents of an opinionated 8-year-old son who

happens to be an outstanding negotiator. On the work front, I came to VLP almost 7 years ago from K&L Gates and my legal practice is pretty traditional, Silicon Valley corporate. I represent private technology and life sciences companies from formation to exit, as well as funds that invest in those types of businesses.

Jared Correia: That’s cool. I didn’t know we were going to be doing this today, but I feel like we’re living parallel lives. I’m going to reveal my age in the podcast as well, 42, married for 13 years to my wife. How weird is that, right?

Timothy Bowers: You’re such a young man. You’re such a young man.

Jared Correia: A very young, I’m in the prime of my life.

Timothy Bowers: I turned 44 by the way in a month. So I was really excited to get the 43 in.

Jared Correia: Oh good. Yeah, let’s knock that out right now. I’m doing dumbbell curls right now actually as I do the show. Is there a version of an 8-year-old that’s not opinionated?

Timothy Bowers: I don’t think so. I think when you have an 8-year-old, you always tend to think that yours is the most opinionated.

Jared Correia: Yeah.

Timothy Bowers: But then once you get them around their friends, they’re all kind of equally so.

Jared Correia: Right. Let me tell you a quick 8-year-old story about my son. So we get him a trip to Disneyland last year for his birthday with a friend of his. My wife and the mom and the other kid went out. So I got them a limo to go the airport and my son’s like, “Wow, that’s pretty cool.” He’s like — I actually didn’t think he had enough money to pay for that. I’m like, “Thanks, what do you think I do all day? Sitting around?”

Timothy Bowers: That was a very nice treat you provided.

Jared Correia: Thank you, man. I mean I wish the kid would’ve said the same thing. Geez. Okay, I don’t think we need this. But I like to do an icebreaker question to start out with. So you were an undergrad at Notre Dame? You were there during like the last vestiges of the Lou Holtz era?

Timothy Bowers: Yeah.

Jared Correia: So here’s like a semi-related question. You went to Notre Dame. You live in San Francisco. Like who’s the guy? Joe Montana or Tom Brady? Make the choice.

Timothy Bowers: It’s a great question. It’s kind of a tough one.

Jared Correia: It is. I’m totally putting you on the spot.

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Timothy Bowers: I love it though. You know, I was born and raised on Long Island. I spent 11 years in Boston before moving to the West Coast. So Brady Beanie was

absolutely everywhere in Boston.

Jared Correia: Right.

Timothy Bowers: And really for me, this one comes down to where they played their college football. Brady attended Michigan as you know.

Jared Correia: Yes.

Timothy Bowers: And Joe and I attended Notre Dame. And so MD played Michigan for the first time November of 1887, and Michigan is Notre Dame’s biggest rival.

Jared Correia: Wow.

Timothy Bowers: Yeah.

Jared Correia: 1887, I don’t know it went back that far. Wow.

Timothy Bowers: Yeah it went back that far and actually, University of Michigan football players gave Notre Dame the moniker “Fighting Irish” based on those meetings. And so, you know, with no offense at all intended toward your pod’s listeners, Montana against the nod, you know based on his Notre Dame history alone.

Jared Correia: That’s fair.

Timothy Bowers: I actually have funny side on this actually.

Jared Correia: Yeah hit me, what do you got?

Timothy Bowers: All right. So before we had our son, my wife and I were vacationing in Hawaii and Montana bellied up to the resort’s pool bar. And I nudged her to let her know that a football already taken a seat next to her. And after providing her with what I at least thought were helpful hints as to like this person’s identity, she gets Broadway Joe. That’s a totally different hairline.

Jared Correia: Close, wrong Joe.

Timothy Bowers: Yeah.

Jared Correia: This is crazy. I do feel like we live parallel lives. Like I was in Hawaii like

a few years ago and we were in the lūʻau at the resort and I’m like, “My God, everyone at this lūʻau is like insanely tall.” And I’m not short, I’m about 6 feet tall and like, I looked over my shoulder and I’m like, “Oh, it’s DeAndre Jordan” the NBA player and his entire family are here at this lūʻau with us.

Timothy Bowers: Oh my gosh. How cools is that?

Jared Correia: Yeah.

Timothy Bowers: It’s really funny.

Jared Correia: Yeah, Hawaii is great for that meeting people. But I think we can all agree that like in probably 10 years from now, we’ll be talking about debating Tom Brady, Joe Montana and Drew Lock of the Denver Broncos.

Timothy Bowers: Lock is definitely a lot for that debate.

Jared Correia: Absolutely, absolutely. Now well play, that was worth it. All right, let’s make the sponsors happy. Let’s drill down into legal, right?

Timothy Bowers: Yeah.

Jared Correia: We’re all sitting here, economic downturn, right? I think a lot of people kind of expected that there would be an economic downturn around this time. These things tend to be kind of cyclical. There was a recession like 10 years ago or so, 10 years ago before that. I don’t think however that anybody predicted exactly how this was going to go down. So as somebody who has been through economic downturns, recessions in the past, what do you think makes this one different?

Timothy Bowers: Yeah, this one’s really different.

Jared Correia: Yeah.

Timothy Bowers: You know, when the pandemic hit, there was nothing fundamentally wrong with the economy. That can’t be said of the dot-com bubble burst of the early 2000s

or the housing crash in the mid-2000s.

Jared Correia: Yeah.

Timothy Bowers: You know; this economic downturn is the direct result really of government-imposed measures to contain a health crisis. You know, the pandemic brought things to a grinding halt in record time, almost instantly really.

Jared Correia: Yeah.

Timothy Bowers: Businesses shutting their doors, you know hundreds of millions of citizens locked down and tens of millions just unemployed in a matter of a few weeks. Nothing like this has obviously happened a lot of times. Yeah, this is unknown uncharted terrain certainly for the folks that are living in the world today.

Jared Correia: It’s for sure wild. So I think what has been a consequence of this is like —

and this is what you’re here to talk about today. Like many firms are like adjusting on the fly and they’re trying to create distributed workforces for like the first time. They’re reducing office space commitments. And usually like when a law firm makes a decision, they want to take like four or five years to make that decision.

Timothy Bowers: Right.

Jared Correia: And they were forced to do this in like a couple weeks, right? So you’ve run a virtual law firm for a long time now. So for those attorneys who are just like starting to do that, what do you think they need to do to change their mindsets to kind of better manage in the current environment?

Timothy Bowers: Yeah. I mean we feel really fortunate at VLP because when the pandemic hit, it didn’t change the way the way in which we work because we’ve been remote since 2008 as we alluded to.

Jared Correia: Yeah.

Timothy Bowers: And while many firms had some telecommuting capabilities for attorneys

prior to the crisis, lawyers new to full-time remote working, I think need to take kind of small steps to ease into it and hopefully by now, they’ve taken those steps.

Jared Correia: Right.

Timothy Bowers: Because obviously, we’re doing this for months now. But my suggestion is just to maintain a routine, similar to what you had when you were working in your traditional office setting.

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The nice thing that you can lose from that routine obviously is the commute. So I think that’s kind of helpful to everyone.

Jared Correia: Right.

Timothy Bowers: And that worked well for me in 2013 when I transitioned to VLP from my brick and mortar firm.

Jared Correia: Yeah.

Timothy Bowers: Keeping a traditional routine can bring a sense of somewhat comfortable

familiarity to a new way of working. The other thing that I would suggest is creating a dedicated workspace from wherever you are working. I know for me, that eliminated distractions and helped keep me focused — you know when I started working this way seven years ago.

Jared Correia: Right, and so in terms of the pandemic, right? Like the added component for a lot of people — and I know you have this going on in your life as well, is like if you got kids, right? Like it’s a wholly different thing to be working from home and to be working from home with your entire family? So how have you and your staff dealt with that? Because that’s an entirely separate challenge.

Timothy Bowers: Yeah so that is different for sure. So when I said that, you know the pandemic really hasn’t changed the matter in which we’re working. That’s not entirely true for the reason you mentioned. You know you have — for parents with little ones that have

been doing remote learning at home, there are additional steps that were necessary, like cementing, shut your door in your office.

Jared Correia: Yeah.

Timothy Bowers: Or putting out signs. I know in our house, we had two practicing lawyers

working without child care and a son in first grade, trying to learn remotely.

Jared Correia: Yeah.

Timothy Bowers: We had signs we would put up like on a call and that worked — I guess started working four weeks.

Jared Correia: Yeah.

Timothy Bowers: Those first few weeks, it was kind of like, “Oh, look at that. There’s a piece of paper on the door.”

Jared Correia: Yeah.

Timothy Bowers: Great, let me take this down and come in and say, “What’s up dad?” That definitely was an added challenge. I think everyone’s been feeling that stress obviously, not just lawyers, but every person in the workforce is feeling that right now.

Jared Correia: Right. I think kids have been like remarkably well adjusted given what’s happened frankly.

Timothy Bowers: I think they’re doing better than us.

Jared Correia: Yeah. Oh I think so too. I think so too.

Timothy Bowers: Like we’re all just thinking out. They’re just like, “Yeah. Whatever, go with the flow.”

Jared Correia: And my son was like, “Quarantine is great. I don’t have to go to school. I can hang out and watch Netflix. I don’t have to wear pants.” He’s like, “I’m living my best life.”

Timothy Bowers: That’s pretty extraordinary. The screen time has been problematic, no question. I’m sure there’ll be consequences down the road.

Jared Correia: Yeah, right.

Timothy Bowers: That will be as the parents.

Jared Correia: Right. I want to ask you one more pandemic related question, but I’m going to take a break first and we’re going to do that after the commercial.

Timothy Bowers: Sure.

Jared Correia: So let’s take that break now. We’ve reached the end of the first part of our show, and let me draw your attention to some more words from our wonderful sponsors.

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Jared Correia: All right everybody, thanks for coming back. I’ve returned from eating an entire bag of Skittles because that’s what you do in quarantine. So let’s get back to our conversation with Tim Bowers of VLP Law Group. We’re talking about what it’s like to build and manage a virtual law firm with a distributed workforce. So Tim, can I ask you one more pandemic-related question before we get into other issues?

Timothy Bowers: Sure.

Jared Correia: So hopefully, God willing this whole thing will be resolved soon. Maybe we get a vaccine. Maybe we’ll reach herd immunity. Maybe we just all inject bath cleaning products into ourselves to solve this problem. So when things are back to normal and by normal, I mean like people are actually willing and able to associate with each other without wearing personal protective gear, right? What does law practice look like on the other side of this thing?

Timothy Bowers: Yeah. I mean that’s really the ultimate question. I think one thing is certain, there’ll be no quick return to business as usual. The pandemic will have a long tail and traditional firms need to be prepared for what that tail would look like. I anticipate that probably for a very long time, lawyers will have great trepidation about returning to crowded office buildings, in congested urban centers with commutes on public transportation in uncomfortably tight borders. I don’t care how much hand sanitizers and PPE you have, that’s scary stuff.

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Jared Correia: Right.

Timothy Bowers: We seen some tech companies taking a smart approach. You know, they’re allowing folks to work remotely for as long as they’d like and they’ll agree to provide those folks with the tools necessary to be successful. I think law firms should extend the same offer to their employees.

Jared Correia: Yeah.

Timothy Bowers: I also anticipate that firms will start dumping expensive commercial real estate especially if the new normal is increased remote work and a bunch of vacancy in those expensive spaces.

Jared Correia: Yeah, I would say too.

Timothy Bowers: Absolutely and it’s no secret the traditional law firm overhead is really bloated and real estate accounts for a substantial portion of that bloats. I mean I think this is going to be with us for a really long time.

Jared Correia: Yeah, no I agree. Yes, it’s really interesting. I mean personally like I did not really enjoy commuting before any of this happened.

Timothy Bowers: That’s surprising, most people really love it.

Jared Correia: I know, it’s true, right? But I’m the dude who’s got like — I’ve got hand sanitizer with me wherever I go like prior to this. People are like, “Do you have enough rubbing alcohol?” I’m like, “Oh yeah. I’m always fully stocked on rubbing alcohol.”

Timothy Bowers: So you saw this coming, Jared?

Jared Correia: No, no. I’m just like Howard Hughes basically.

Timothy Bowers: Or Stern or Mandel.

Jared Correia: Yeah. Yeah exactly.

Timothy Bowers: All the house.

Jared Correia: All right, so let’s leave the pandemic discussion behind because I know there’s a lot of fatigue about that. So in a distributed workforce model like yours where employees are working across the country — potentially across the world actually, right? I think the concern lawyers have is like, “How would they get to know each other? Like there’s no watercooler. There’s no shared luncheon area” right? Like how do you get to know each other when you only work online?

Timothy Bowers: Yeah. So it’s a great question. We actually do have a watercooler at VLP. It’s a virtual watercooler. It’s an email distribution list where people post random stuff and interact, so it’s kind of fun. So we try to do that to replicate the watercooler. But making culture a top priority from the beginning is important for any law firm to be successful, but in particular, business like ours without any centralized physical office space –when Craig Johnson founded our firm in 2008, he was very deliberate about developing a strong firm culture. So in line with that, since Day 1, we’ve had a dedicated virtual culture committee we call it or VCC and it’s comprised of the most creative people in our organization who brainstorm and implement ideas on how best to enhance remote connections.

And so some of the things we do, we have well attended bi-weekly firm-wide video conferences. We have virtual happy hours. But we also do some of the more traditional things that all law firms do, like in-person annual retreats, local events like summer outings and holiday dinners. And then on more of the remote stuff, the VCC will send out surprise packages of goodies from time to time to our lawyers.

Jared Correia: Oh that I like.

Timothy Bowers: It’s really great and so the latest surprise came actually just last week to my house and was a package of Artisanal Vermont Pancake Mix and maple syrup.

Jared Correia: Pancake.

Timothy Bowers: It’s very sweet. It’s happiness for the whole family. But one last thing on the pandemic, it’s actually our folks are super creative because they’ve been in this model for a long time. And so at the beginning of the pandemic, one of my trademark partners actually rolled out an extremely popular weekly Friday event called the VLP Friday Time Waster and so the first edition required naming three scenes from television shows or films that made you laugh until you cried the first time you saw them. And so that so that was super fun and participation, that was nearly 100%. The responses were great insight into the tastes of my colleagues. And they really doubled as great recommendations for shelter-in-place Binge watching.

Jared Correia: Oh that’s pretty cool.

Timothy Bowers: It was pretty awesome and now we’re almost three months in. This Friday event is still wildly popular and anxiously anticipated. You know, I’m hoping the fun continues well after COVID.

Jared Correia: All right, you got a scene for me? Which was one of your three?

Timothy Bowers: So you know what, like I did so — I don’t even think I answered it. I think I was just like —

Jared Correia: Oh no, you’re in the 1%.

Timothy Bowers: Yeah, so that was thing, it was almost 100% and I think I was one of the ones that didn’t answer, it’s literally because by the time the end of the day arrived

when I was ready to sort of dig in and think about it, all of my potential answers had been taken.

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Jared Correia: Well listen, next time you hit me up, I’ll get obscure for you. I’ll find you some stuff.

Timothy Bowers: That will be great. I would much appreciate that.

Jared Correia: I’m on it. Now follow-up question to this is like, there are people out there who like really crave traditional social interaction, right? Like being in an office space with people physically. Like lawyers love to manage like butts and seats, right?

Timothy Bowers: Right.

Jared Correia: And I think still a lot of lawyers like to work in that environment. So if you’re somebody like that, can a virtual model work for you?

Timothy Bowers: Yeah. I mean I think — I’m about as social and animals one can be and I’ve always loved it here. I wish I could have joined sooner. My social interactions are — they’re less physical and in person than they were in big law.

Jared Correia: Yeah.

Timothy Bowers: But they’re really no less meaningful and I think especially now during this pandemic. You know, we keep coming back to pandemic because really — I mean that’s on everyone’s mind.

Jared Correia: Everybody’s talking it. Yeah.

Timothy Bowers: Everyone’s talking about it and I think folks are learning to use the

Tools that were given through technology to be able to create those meaningful interactions even if they happen not to be face-to-face touch interactions in an office environment. So I never really had a problem with it. I mean I felt like when I was in big law, a lot of those conversations would occur at 9 30 at night and someone would be coming into my office to talk about a family related issue or something. And I was just like trying to get out of it and I appreciated my colleagues and everything, but I just feel like it’s just a much more efficient way to practice. And again, you can get those connections when and if you need them.

Jared Correia: Yeah, totally get it. Okay, so as a virtual practice, right? I know a lot of attorneys who are getting more and more virtual — although they’re not establishing like fully virtual practices per se, what do you think are the distinguishing characteristics of a successful virtual law firm aside from providing pancake mix, which is delightful?

Timothy Bowers: So second most important to pancake mix, I would say — all right, I think technology.

Jared Correia: That’s a good choice.

Timothy Bowers: Technology, definitely. Yeah, definitely critical. Having appropriate technology can help foster and maintain the strong regular communication among members of the team, management, despite folks being in different locations. And it also facilitates collaboration, minimizes chances of work stoppages.

Jared Correia: Right.

Timothy Bowers: So end up spending a bunch of money on technology. We’re currently doing like a large software purchase to help with our practice management and accounting systems, It’s just critical. We’ve also require our folks to have state-of-the-art computers and a backup computer and enterprise quality printers and scanners, Polycom phones dedicated for work use only. And finally, we have a dedicated and highly responsive tech support team to assist with all technology related issues. I think all law firms have that type of stuff including — and as far as IT support.

Jared Correia: Right.

Timothy Bowers: Brick and mortar firms all have that obviously and folks have the ability to work remotely at most law firms, but really since this is the backbone of our model, technology infrastructure is more important to us certainly than many of those other brick

and mortar operations.

Jared Correia: Got it. All right, well let’s stop this part of the discussion here. We’ll take our second break, listen to some more words from our sponsors and come back for the next and last segment.

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Jared Correia: All right everybody, thanks for sticking with us. I never left. Can you believe

We’re two-thirds of the way through the show already?

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So let’s continue with Tim Bowers of VLP Law Group who’s been telling us what it means to manage a distributed workforce in the law firm environment. So let’s find out more. All right, so we talked about the pandemic plenty. We talked about how to build and manage a virtual law firm. Let’s talk about the people who work there a little bit more. So what attracts someone be it an associate or a partner to a virtual law firm model versus a traditional brick and mortar practice, which I suspect most people coming out of law school — at least up until now were expecting to practice in that environment versus this one?

Timothy Bowers: Yeah, that’s a great question. I think what mainly attracts senior associates to our firm and we call them Counsel VLP, we don’t hire any junior lawyers at our

firm.

Jared Correia: Got you.

Timothy Bowers: We let big law train them up so that they’re mature enough to be able to work in a remote working environment when they join us.

Jared Correia: That’s clever.

Timothy Bowers: But I think the attractiveness of cost.

Jared Correia: I like that.

Timothy Bowers: Totally. We think so. But our counsel are attracted to us I think for three primary reasons. First, we have no minimum billable hour requirements. So that’s a lot different than traditional brick and mortar where they’re you know?

Jared Correia: Slightly yes.

Timothy Bowers: Yeah I would say. Folks want them to crank out 2024 hours a year. We don’t have that. Second, that they can work on the same types of sophisticated transactions across from the best law firms in the world, just like when they were working at the Am Law 100 firms from which we recruit. The quality that work here is spectacular and the quality of the lawyers here is spectacular. So that’s attracted to them too because you wouldn’t think maybe that a firm of our size working in the model in which we work has the type of quality work we have. So we’re fortunate for that. And number three, they have that incredible flexibility of working from wherever they want provided that they’re barred in the state in which they’re practicing. We’re requiring that of course.

Jared Correia: Right.

Timothy Bowers: And then for partners, candidly our overhead is such that they make much more money here than they would in big law and it’s comp talks. So I think folks here, partners here are very well compensated. And at VLP, they also happen to be able to call some of the most talented lawyers at least I’ve ever practiced with their colleagues. So it’s a good place.

Jared Correia: I just want to know like how many hours do you have to bill to get on the pancake mix package? Like 100? 200?

Timothy Bowers: Even for that, there’s no minimum billable requirement.

Jared Correia: Good deal.

Timothy Bowers: However, if you’re billing like less than 100, maybe we’ve have to talk

and not send you a package, but fortunate, we don’t have that issue.

Jared Correia: So let’s extend that conversation of partnership comp because that’s interesting. How does partnership compensation work in a virtual law firm with a distributed

workforce model? Because I don’t think many people are familiar enough with that model to know the answer to that follow-up question.

Timothy Bowers: Yes. So we’re really formulaic here with respect to partner comp. We’re basically, we would kill and so that means we don’t have a comp committee. So there’s no political positioning or bickering at the end of the year, and those are the types of things that have brought down many law firms, those types of arguments at the management level. We have no capital contribution to the firm so you don’t need to buy into the partnership when you join. But again, it’s eat what you kill. You don’t get paid unless your clients pay. So really, folks here incentivize to take on really good clients that are low credit risks because if they take on folks that aren’t, that are high credit risks, they won’t get compensated as partners. As part of the what you kill, the firm takes a small percentage as a management fee to keep the lights on. The lights here aren’t very expensive to keep on because there are many of them.

Jared Correia: Right.

Timothy Bowers: Because we are virtual, we’re like a law firm really in every other way other than the fact that we work remotely, so we pay a general counsel. We have a head of HR. We pay an IT department. We pay an accounting staff. So that percentage, that management fee goes to those things.

Jared Correia: Makes sense. I mean in general; I’d like to think that a virtual law practice environment will work for literally any lawyer. But in your experience, has that been true? Are there people or are there practice areas that just don’t work out in a model like this?

Timothy Bowers: Yeah. So I would say that our one trepidation was about adding a litigation practice, how would we create war rooms and conduct depositions without physical conference spaces?

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As it turns out, technology fixed that and we hired our first litigator last

year and he’s thriving in our model. So to directly answer your question, Jared, I believe that a virtual law firm model can work for any lawyer in any practice area and we continue to try to prove that out at VLP.

Jared Correia: Beautiful. Full stop. Let’s end it right there. That’s a great place to stop. So

sadly, however, we’ve reached the end of yet another episode of the Legal Toolkit podcast here on the Legal Talk Network. This was the one where we talked about how to manage a virtual law firm with a distributed workforce model and we’ve been chatting with Tim Bowers of VLP Law Group. Now I will be back on future shows with further insights into my soul, the soul of America or what’s left of it. If you’re feeling nostalgic from my dulcet tone, however you can check out our entire show archive anytime you want at legaltalknetwork.com. So thanks again to Tim Bowers of VLP Law Group for making an appearance as my guest today. Tim, can you tell everyone out there how they can find out more about you and VLP.

Timothy Bowers: Sure. Yeah, you can visit us at vlplawgroup.com. Or if you want to learn more, you can email me directly, [email protected].

Jared Correia: Uh-oh, you gave out your email address. All right everybody, email this man.

Timothy Bowers: Uh-oh.

Jared Correia: Tim, thanks again. This is fun.

Timothy Bowers: Thanks a lot Jared.

Jared Correia: All right, so that was my guest Tim Bowers of VLP Law Group for coming on as my guest today. Thank you Tim. And finally, thanks to all of you out there for listening. This has been the Legal Toolkit podcast where the briefcase always contains Marsellus Wallace’s soul.

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