Fresh Voices on Legal Tech with Peter Duffy, TITANS Founder and CEO

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Announcer:

Web 2.0 innovation collaboration software, metadata got the world turning as fast as it can hear how technology can help legally speaking with two of the top legal technology experts, authors and lawyers, Dennis Kennedy and Tom Mighell. Welcome to the Kennedy Mighell report here on the Legal Talk Network

Dennis Kennedy:

And welcome to episode 385 of the Kennedy Mighell Report. I’m Dennis Kennedy in Ann Arbor,

Tom Mighell:

and I’m Tom Mighell in Dallas.

Dennis Kennedy:

In our last episode, Tom and I talked about the upcoming a a tech show 2025, his triumphant return as a speaker at tech show and the benefits in general of attending legal tech events that fit your needs. Check the episode out, especially if you’re thinking about going to tech show this year. In this episode, we have another very special guest in our Fresh Voices series in Fresh Voices. We want to showcase different and compelling perspectives on legal tech and much more. We have another fabulous guest, Tom, what’s all on our agenda for this episode?

Tom Mighell:

Well, Dennis, in this edition of the Kennedy Mighell report, we are thrilled to continue our fresh voices on Legal Tech interview series with Peter Duffy, who among other things is legal tech and AI consultant, CEO and founder at Titans Oxford University Law and Computer Science 20 24, 20 25 program mentor and a visible and insightful contributor to the legal, tech and legal AI world. We want our Fresh Voices series to not only introduce you to terrific leaders in the legal tech space, but also provide you with their particular perspective on the things you ought to be paying attention to today in legal tech. And as usual, we’ll finish up with our parting shots, that one tip website or observation that you can start to use the second that this podcast is over. But first up, we were so pleased to welcome Peter Duffy to the Fresh Voices series. Peter, welcome to the Kennedy MA Report.

Peter Duffy:

Thanks very much. Great to join you.

Tom Mighell:

Before we get started, we want to learn a little bit more about you, tell your audience a little bit more about yourself, what’s happening at Titans, so what’s your role in it, what should our audience know to get started?

Peter Duffy:

Sure, absolutely. So I’m the CEO of Titans, which is a legal tech and AI consultancy for leading law firms and legal departments and we help clients on their priority AI journeys. So we do this in three ways. So firstly for strategy, we help them to understand what is happening in the market, what is hype versus reality, where are the opportunities and risks that exist right now? And provide them with market intelligence reports so they can make informed decisions. And secondly, we help them with AI vendor selection. So if they decide to buy an AI product, we need them right through the end-to-end procurement process. So that includes scoping their use cases, defining their requirements, shortlisting their vendors, and running a really structured and mature assessment process for them. And then thirdly, we help them with adoption and scaling and by that I mean we lead the tech implementation for them, ensuring their users are adopting the product, setting the processes in place to allow them to scale and really drive value for their purchases.

Dennis Kennedy:

Great. Peter, first of all, it’s awesome for us to have you as a guest on the podcast. I was just reading your legal tech newsletter this morning and it’s great as usual, I really enjoy reading your stuff because a lot of fresh insights for me. It gives me stuff to think about. So let me start this way. It’s not easy usually to talk with lawyers about tech and sometimes I get frustrated with how difficult it still is to explain technologies old and new, especially AI and the benefits those technologies to people in the legal profession. Would you talk about your own approach to communicating with lawyers and others in the legal profession about technology, especially AI and what you found works well for you? And I might prompt you that the little chart you did in your newsletter this morning is a great example of your approach.

Peter Duffy:

Yeah, thank you. So firstly, when communicating with lawyers, I’m incredibly mindful of their time. Lawyers are extremely busy people and they often have billable hours if they work within law firms and every hour is worth hundreds of dollars. So that’s the first thing to be mindful of is that lawyers are time poor and it’s important to treat their time really, really carefully when communicating and interacting with them. When discussing technology, I don’t focus first on the technology. I lead with understanding what are their specific pain points and then align the technology with those pain points and how it can actually bring benefits for them. So one particular example of this, I had a client who was looking to adopt an AI product to review contracts in bulk and rather than leading with the fact that this was an AI tool that could support what they were looking to do, really focused in on one specific challenge that they had, which was the PDFs they were reviewing were often scanned very old PDFs which they cannot search through or they cannot copy and paste text out of it.

So by using the new AI product, they would be able to solve really simple basic things like searching through a contract and copying and pasting text from the contract along with all the extra really nice things like automatically identifying clauses and extracting them. But by leading with that one really annoying pain point they had of not being able to copy and paste out of the document or not being able to search, that was a really great entry point to get their attention and to show how the technology could benefit them before adding in all the extra nice things for ai. And to your point about communicating with graphs and visuals, I do really like to communicate in a way which is easy for people to comprehend through visuals. So having a nice sketch or diagram that clearly outlines in the case of this client project I was referencing, here is your existing process, here is your existing tool that you are using and here is how we will swap out this tool, this new tool for the old tool being very clear to visualize it so that you can very quickly align on what it is that you’re discussing.

Tom Mighell:

Being able to educate lawyers on how that’s going to work leads kind of into the next question, which is a topic that Dennis and I are probably a little more obsessed about than we should be, which is lawyer competence on technology and it’s probably a bigger deal in the United States than it is in the uk, but it’s also something that Dennis and I are sort of the opinion that the more things change, the more things stay the same. We still find that technology competence is lagging in several important areas and I don’t know how you are seeing it from where your viewpoint and maybe specifically with ai, but obviously AI is a much more modern and new technology that lawyers are not used to using, whereas formatting a document in Word is something that they’ve been trying and struggling to do for many, many decades. Now. What’s kind of your view right now on the current state of technology competence with lawyers?

Peter Duffy:

So I’ll start off by saying lawyers are incredibly intelligent and they can pick up any tool if they put their minds to it and they have the time and the space and they prioritize it. However, technology is often not a top priority for lawyers and adoption is a challenge. Adoption is one of the hardest things about introducing any kind of new technology, whether that be for legal department or law firm. It is really hard for people to adopt things and part of the reason for that, as we just mentioned a while ago is people are time poor. It’s hard to carve out time in their day to start using a new tool and to start adopting it. So I think the levels of adoption are not where are often not as high as we would like to be. Part of that is because at the time of the lawyers also I would say that in the past technology has not been as easy to use as it could have been. Thankfully we’re seeing a lot of the newer products are really heavily focusing on great user experience and making it easier for lawyers to pick up and run with it. So I do think that we’re seeing improvements in how lawyers are using technology and there’s definitely dramatically increased appetite to start using it. It’s becoming a higher priority. So I do have a lot of optimism that lawyers will be more proficient in the tooling that they have and more tooling will be made available to them as well.

Tom Mighell:

Let me ask, I want to follow up question Dennis real quick because when you describe Titans, I was struck by the similarities with the business that I’m in, the company that I work for, we’re consultants, we help organizations, but in the area of adopting information governance and data governance, not artificial intelligence, but one of the things that our clients regularly struggle with when they’re adopting good information governance is change management. And so I’m going to throw a question out of nowhere to ask. Say, what is your role with change management with clients? Do the vendors usually deal with that or is that something you help with or how does change management play into the adoption?

Peter Duffy:

Yeah, so change management is huge. It is so important and if people don’t pay attention to it, any kind of technology will fail that usually we play a very central role in the change management in that we will create the change management plans and if clients wish, we will lead that end to end for them. For technology vendors, we very much invite them to suggest their preferred ways of doing things and to work with them and facilitate that. My view on it is that it’s best to give vendors the chance to shine and do their best work. If they need support, absolutely happy to support and guide them. If there’s enough confidence in the vendor to deliver themselves, fantastic. That helps them build a strong relationship with the clients as well. From a titan’s point of view, the most important thing is at that standard of excellence for change management is met and if the vendor can meet it themselves, brilliant. If the client has the people internally to meet it themselves, brilliant. If not, we will run it and we will make sure that that standard is met when technology is being introduced.

Dennis Kennedy:

Great. So we’ve really enjoyed getting perspectives from outside the US on our Fresh Voices series. As I mentioned, I really enjoy your thoughtful and insightful posts about legal tech and the way they get me to think in some new ways. So I have sort of historically associated the London firms and firms outside the US as being ahead of the curve on ai, although some people sometimes correct me on that or think they’re correcting me on that. So what are the areas in the legal profession and in legal tech space that you think need the most attention now from your perspective and how can we get people to pay that attention?

Peter Duffy:

Yeah, so interesting question. I can book it back into two parts. So the first are is the UK more advanced than the US and other areas when it comes to technology? I’d say traditionally that has been the case that the UK has put a large focus on legal tech teams, innovation teams, and with the change in regulations many years ago, it has facilitated that great change, that opportunity to try new things in the uk. In terms of what needs most attention in the industry, I’ll caveat by saying that I focus very much on large law firms and legal departments, so there’s whole parts of the legal industry that probably need a lot of attention like access to justice or smaller businesses, but I focus more on the larger firms and one area I think we can do a lot more in is standardization that it strikes me as crazy in many senses that there’s so much customization and bespoke work for what be relatively repeatable, even simple things.

If you think about the number of ways in which you can phrase a governing law clause or number of variations of simple documents like NDAs, there’s definitely some great initiatives that are happening around this topic with the likes of for contracts, the likes of bond terms or one NDA, do some really good work there and for taxonomy things like Sally is really good to have the standardizations on naming conventions, but that’s one area that I think there’s huge room for improvement across the industry, especially given what I’ve seen in other sectors and other industries. Coming from a software delivery background into the legal space, one of the things that struck me most when I entered was there is very little standardization. Even within law firms it can vary dramatically how one partner and their team operate to another partner in their team in the corporate department. So that is one area I definitely think there’s a lot of room and opportunity to make better.

Tom Mighell:

One of the topics that we like to talk about a lot on this podcast is collaboration. And I am always interested to know, Dennis and I have our thoughts on collaboration, but we always want to know how others are collaborating. And so I’ll just ask the very general question, what are your favorite ways to collaborate, whether it’s with your colleagues at Titans or whether it’s with your clients, what do you find is most effective and how do you enjoy collaborating most?

Peter Duffy:

Yeah, so collaboration is really critical for me, my team and my clients because we’re all 100% remote. I work with clients in the uk, in the US and around the world and oftentimes it’s rare that I’ll meet clients with on engagement, it’ll be 100% remote and as with my team, we’re spread out around the world as well. We really have to focus on that and prioritize it. And so tools like Notion which allow asynchronous collaboration is brilliant. Then when working directly with clients, they typically have the Microsoft stack, so even Microsoft Loop or Teams is important. We really like using Loom videos to record our screens and talk through topics that we’re working on as well that can be easily shared and again viewed asynchronously. Also, as I mentioned, important part for communication is visuals. So using tools like xca Draw to be able to easily sketch out our thinking and align on that. And even more recently when I think of collaboration slightly adjacent, I now see AI really as a colleague and being able to collaborate with AI and for that chat GBT is indispensable. It’s gone from being the infinite interns, being able to complete low level tasks to being a real thought partner that you can ideate and brainstorm. So that is another really important collaboration tool that we use as well.

Tom Mighell:

I’m hearing more and more often that chat GPT or some variant, some other tool is becoming a partner as if it is a real person. It’s becoming more of a person in our worlds now. But quick follow up question because you said two words that interest me very much, which is I want your take real quick, and this is random, so listeners please pardon the random question. I heard a lot of people say that Loop is the new notion, which I completely disagree with, but how do you feel that those two kind of play together in terms of, because they had similar functionality, but that’s what I’d heard, that Loop was intended to be a competitor. I don’t really see it that way.

Peter Duffy:

Yeah, so I see Loop as Microsoft’s attempt to clone Notion Notion is certainly better from my experience of it’s a joy using Notion, I can create content and charts so easily, there’s certain features within Loop that are lacking that I would expect that I can do within Notion. So I’d say it gets maybe 80% of the way and it’s really useful given that clients use the Microsoft stack. So it’s really important to use what clients use that is fundamentally the most important thing and in that case it’s a massive improvement on what was there before. So it’s far easier to be able to use Loop as the wiki for sharing knowledge rather than using just notes within teams or anything else like that. So I’m certainly very glad that we can use it. I do still think that there’s room for improvement.

Tom Mighell:

No, we are both very much notion fans here, but so I’ll move on from that. We have many more questions to talk about with Peter Duffy at Titans, but we need to take a quick break for a message from our sponsors first

Dennis Kennedy:

And we are back with Peter Duffy at Titans. So we found in the Fresh Voices series that we’d love to hear about our guest career paths and even more so the case our audience does as well. Would you talk about your own career path and what kinds of things you’ve done to get you into your current role and focus?

Peter Duffy:

Yes, I have an interesting slightly meandered meandering career path to get to here. So I am not a lawyer, I graduated as an energy engineer but discovered in university that I much preferred building software than designing semiconductors or dealing with circuits and that really set me on the path for tech. After graduating from university, my career effectively has three different chapters. So the first chapter I worked in tech startups, so set up a bunch of companies with my friends. We were working on mobile apps and web apps in ideas like online advertising, political canvassing and energy conservation of those, the most successful by far with the political canvassing that’s at this point has raised a couple of million, has customers all around the world. But I left that relatively early. I realized that I don’t actually have much interest in politics, so it didn’t make much sense for me to dedicate my life to that.

So we moved on to the second chapter which was working with Deloitte Digital and Deloitte Digital is effectively Deloitte’s digital consulting arm. I worked with them for five years and we were working with large corporates in several different industries like sports Benning, financial services, telecoms and pharmaceuticals, working on massive digital projects. So for example, the last one I had worked on was over 300 people building a mobile app to be used by hundreds of thousands of customers, just huge scale technology delivery. So really learned best in class, large scale technology delivery there left after five years and then moved on to the third chapter, which was setting up my own consultancy titans. And so with Titans, just by chance started working in the legal space because after leaving Deloitte they asked me to come back and support Deloitte Legal Ventures, which was their legal innovation team in the uk.

And when being fortunate to work with that team who is amazing team, I loved the work and it gave me exposure to the legal industry and all the opportunities that existed to take some best practices from other sectors and just apply technology and it really just got my attention. I loved it immediately. I was fortunate in there within that team to be with great people like sitting beside Catherine Bamford of BAM Legal who helped guide my career direction within the legal space. And after Deloitte moved on and was working consulting with the DWF who were the largest publicly listed law firm in the world, I was innovation lead for emerging technology with them. And that really kind of is the common thread that I have with all the work that I have, that I do and have done since then. It’s working with large leading legal service providers in legal departments on emerging technology. So helping them to identify emerging technology to actually bring it into their business, start adopting it and driving value. So it’s always throughout the career, it’s changed industries but has always been technology, emerging technology and really applying that for businesses.

Tom Mighell:

But that’s a perfect lead into our obligatory AI questions of the podcast, which is I feel like AI is something for which the hype cycle may never end. It seems to just have a very long staying power. But what I hear sometimes attorneys talk about both big firms and small firms is they struggle to really understand the use cases. What are the use cases that make sense for my practice, for what I’m doing for our firms in general? So can you caulk, we’ve got Dennis, I’ve got a question, I’ve got a question. My question’s more around what role do you see AI tools playing in legal technology both now and maybe a couple years down the road?

Peter Duffy:

I think AI will play a huge role with Titans. All we do is AI work. We think that this is the most important thing to be working on and this is our sole focus with Titans. So concretely, I think that people will be able to work far more efficiently with far higher quality outputs and enjoy their jobs more because they will be doing less tedious work. And even today to give examples, so in my day-to-day with Titans, we use AI tools when reviewing contracts. So every single contract that is reviewed, it’s reviewed with the support of an AI that is ai, that is scanning the contracts versus playbooks that we have to identify any potential issues to suggest red lines, to suggest comments for any pushback that we might have. And it dramatically reduces the time to review those contracts, which is more important because fundamentally we want to get down to the business doing the client work rather than the spending too much time on the contracting upfront.

So that is a massive impact that’s concretely happening already and that’s just within Titans as a consultancy. But for clients, what is happening is those that we work with fortunately are at the forefront of adoption. They’re those who really care about ai, who get it, they think big and want to move at pace and it is having an incredible impact for them that they are already seeing tangible benefits for it. So it’s not just a case of this is something that is coming down the line, it’s already here and it is happening. However, in the near future, I think it will start to become a lot more widespread because adoption across the industry is still relatively low, low at this point. There’s huge scope for increased adoption, but we need to be mindful that we’re still in the very early days and adoption is still very low.

I think that it will come to a point where it will be seen as incredibly inefficient or bizarre to not be using ai. Similar to how if you were to do a calculation for a large number, you wouldn’t do that in your head, you would go to Excel or a calculator or if you’re writing you would use spellchecker, the idea that you would not use AI to support with different types of legal work. I think it become something that will become, it’ll become so obvious that people will start to use it. As I said, with all our contracting that we do, the idea of not using AI for that contracting now is unthinkable and we’re certainly not at that point across the industry to be clear, we’re in the very, very early stages of adoption, but that is where we are going and I really firmly believe it and I do think it is going to have an incredible impact on legal.

Dennis Kennedy:

It’s so interesting. I sort of feel there are things I do now where it’s hard to imagine how I did them before ai, and it’s also, I do so many things where I just think, well of course I’m going to use AI in Connectionist. Why would I not? I do see AI as both a challenge and an opportunity for the legal profession and where I’m at these days in legal education. So you talk about what’s going on, but kind of what excites you if looking into the future from your vantage point about AI and some of the things that maybe that you might be able to talk about the already starting to work on or that would like to work on things. I sort of see AI and business model innovation, AI and other types of information products that law firms could offer, but kind of what actually gets you excited about what might be coming down the pipe in AI in law?

Peter Duffy:

So what gets me most excited and if I think even to Benny client engagements is the reaction of the attorneys when you really well match a technology to their use case and they see the benefits that frankly some of the feedback of the attorneys I’ve spoken to, I would not believe it if I did not hear it directly from their mouths. The impacts are that dramatic when you really get it right that the benefits you would think someone is making it up. It just sounds, it sounds too good to be true, but I’ve been in the position on calls with users hearing the impact it has and seeing their feedback and it is frankly astonishing coming off those calls and just knowing that you could be working on many different things in the world right now, but knowing that you’re working on something that is so impactful right now and is only growing an impact that is incredibly exhilarating to know that you’re at such a point in time where this technology is coming crashing into the legal space and can really benefit people if they adopt it and hearing people saying, this is the kind of thing I’ve been waiting all my career for, or I’ve already started to change how I practice legal service delivery, things like that are honestly astonishing and that’s what makes me incredibly excited and to get that reaction from more and more people.

As I say, it’s still early and that type of reaction is absolutely not common. You won’t hear many people who have the same level of enthusiasm from firsthand experience from seeing it in legal practice and seeing it within large firms who can do this, but in theory it can have a huge impact. But when you see it in practice and when you hear the feedback from users, that is really incredible and that’s what gets me most excited is to see that this is not just something that could have impact, but this is real, this is the real deal and people are seeing those tangible benefits when they get it right. I’d say the right product for the right use case, being mindful of change management and everything else around that. But those reactions are really what give me most excitement.

Tom Mighell:

Alright, we’ve got more questions for Peter Duffy, but we need to take another quick break for a word from our sponsors.

Dennis Kennedy:

And now let’s get back to the Kennedy Mighell report. I’m Dennis Kennedy.

Tom Mighell:

And I’m Tom Mighell. And we are joined again by our special guest Peter Duffy at Titans. We’ve got time for just a few more questions. I like to call this question the best advice question, which is we like to hear from our guests. What’s the best advice that you’ve ever been given that you could pass along to our listeners or maybe the best advice that you have for our listeners?

Peter Duffy:

The best advice I’d say is it’s really not about the technology. Technology is the enabler. At the end of the day, you need to really focus on the problem and deeply understanding the existing ways of working, the incentives at play and the potential barriers to change. It really is people, process, tech and listed in that order for a reason. And it comes back to, we had just discussed earlier that change management piece that that is so fundamental. I think it can be easy to get caught up and fixated on the technology. And don’t get me wrong, I get incredibly excited by technology. I could talk about technology for days. So AI and all the new technology coming true is phenomenal. But the best advice is for people to really understand that technology is just an enabler to solve a problem for people. You need to understand who are the people problem you are solving, what is that problem, what is their existing way of doing it and how does the technology actually support with that rather than being the thing that is front and center.

Dennis Kennedy:

Great. So I know that we’re going to have listeners who say, what I would like to do is go work for Peter. That’s what I would really like to do. So it’s two questions for you. And I have law students who I think fall into that category as well. They want to say, what can we do that’s different? How can we get into legal tech or other different ways to have a legal career? So first, how would you encourage today’s law students and new lawyers to go in those directions? And then second is our, I think it was your friend Catherine Bamford, who recommended you as a guest on this series. So we always like to ask who are the fresh voices in legal tech that you listen to and would like to single out and see as part of our series?

Peter Duffy:

The first thing I’d say to them is I would highly encourage them to have a career in legal tech. It is a fantastic industry to be involved in. It is such a welcoming community, a welcoming place to be. It is very supportive that the network and the friendships you can have in this industry, in this space. I wouldn’t have predicted coming into it and this is coming from, so I have hopped around between many different industries over the years and I thought I would continue to do that for the rest of my career. But having landed in the legal tech space, I can confidently say I’ll be here for the rest of my career. And I would definitely encourage people that this really is an option for them to go into and how they can get more involved. I say firstly by listening to great podcasts like this and absorb as much information as they can to learn more about what is out there, what is happening, who are there people involved in this space.

And to concretely to look for specific roles that they could get involved in. I would say twofold. Firstly, for law firms, many law firms have specific legal tech jobs or legal innovation roles. They usually like to hire lawyers or people with the legal background. So those particular roles are very suitable for people with a legal background who have an interest in technology. So look out for those law firms who have those teams and who are hiring. The second thing I would say is there are many legal technology startups, and even more so now these days than ever, they’re growing fast, they’re very exciting and they’re hiring rapidly as well. So look out for roles within those legal techs that they can join. That’s a great place to have a career to. And again, those legal techs often highly value those with a legal experience or legal background.

To your second question about who else will I recommend for you to have on next, I’d recommend two people. So the first is Michael Kennedy from Al Shaw Goddard. So he is head of research and development there. They’re one of the leading law firms in the UK and are very much at the forefront of AI usage and adoption in law firms around the world. Honestly, they’re amongst the very top. So they’ve done an amazing job in what they are exploring and also what they share with others. They very freely share their knowledge and insights, which is very admirable. It’d be great to have on the second person is Alex Herty, who’s director of legal operations in Adidas. So again, he’s really heavily involved in legal tech, likes to get stuck in technology, get his hands dirty, building out things and has his pulse on what is happening. And again, he has a lovely fresh perspective from the in-house world. He shares his knowledge with others, so it falls into that category like Michael of someone who’s really doing things, who is very knowledgeable and who very freely shares that knowledge with others too.

Dennis Kennedy:

Great. And we have Michael Kennedy in the queue, right? Tom?

Tom Mighell:

Yes. We actually have him already scheduled. So that was present on your part, Peter. So we want to thank Peter Duffy at Titans for being our guest on the show. Peter, can you let our audience know if people want to learn more about Titans or get in touch with you, what’s the best way to do that?

Peter Duffy:

Yes, I’d recommend they go to legal tech trends.com is probably the best place for them to go to understand and see the newsletter that I publish and stay up to date with what we are doing. If they go to legal tech trends.com, they can also find out more about Titans, so that sits on the same website so they can see more information about our consultancy offering. And they can find me on LinkedIn as well. So just search for Peter Duffy. There are many Peter Duffy’s in the world, but I’ll probably come up eventually for them and feel free to get in touch as well.

Dennis Kennedy:

Great. Thank you so much Peter. Fantastic guests, great information and advice for our listeners as usual, so many topics to discuss in so little time. Maybe we’ll have to get you back again on the show, but now it’s time for our parting shots. That one tip website or observation you can use the second this podcast ends. Peter, take it away.

Peter Duffy:

Yes, so the tip I would give, given that we’re on a podcast and are discussing AI a lot, I would suggest an AI powered podcast player and that is snipped, so that’s S-N-I-P-D. So I use this every day, absolutely love it. And the AI features that it has, which are really nice. Firstly, it transcribes every episode that you listen to. It creates a summary for the podcast. It creates chapters so that you can see what is in it. And especially cool feature is that, well for me I just click my AirPods as I’m listening to a podcast and it will capture a 32nd clip of what I’ve just heard along with the transcription of that. And then I’m actually going to cheat here and recommend a second tool and then pumps that transcript snippet I’ve taken off to read wise so that I can easily revisit everything. So yeah, but the number one takeaway I say for this is snit as a podcast player,

Tom Mighell:

We are huge fans of read Wise here. Let me ask though, here’s the million dollar question. Is S snip iOS only or is there an Android version of snipped?

Peter Duffy:

Good question.

Tom Mighell:

Yeah, I bet it’s only going to be iOS anyway. I’ll put it in the show notes, but I’ve wanted to use tools like that for a while. But I’m an Android guy and the walled garden

Dennis Kennedy:

Change

Tom Mighell:

The walled garden time for a change. It will never be that change, but the walled garden loves to stay a walled garden. Anyway, my parting shot, I have been struggling with being more intentional about my note taking and I go back and forth typing into notion, typing into OneNote. But I also want to be better about in meetings where I probably need to pay more attention to the conversation than to typing. I want to be able to write. And I have always loved the remarkable tablet that I had before they recently came out with the Remarkable Paper Pro, which I’ve now using. It is not cheap, but it is awesome. It is bigger than the original Remarkable. It now has color, the tactile feel of writing with it is just like writing on paper. It’s so good. My handwriting is terrible, but it is at least encouraging me to do better. My point here is if you don’t go for the Remarkable Paper Pro, look at other types of digital writing devices, whether you get the Amazon Kindle scribe or you get a books or one of those other tools. But I’m very much enjoying the remarkable Paper Pro Dennis.

Dennis Kennedy:

There’s an interesting, I don’t think it’s there yet, but there’s some interesting work happening with products around using AI to actually help you capture notes. And I think that’s really fascinating because there are some issues about actually getting the notes. So I do have an AI tip, Tom, believe it or not. So I’ve been experimenting with doing prompting around. I read an article and it has a methodology, let’s call it, or an approach, and I turn that into a prompt that I start to use. And so yesterday I was on a call and somebody mentioned this book called 10 Types of Innovation. And so while I was listening to the Zoom presentation, I put together a prompt that summarizes those 10 types of innovations and allows me to apply it. So all I do is I type in a new idea for a business and it runs it against all these 10 types of innovation.

And I ask it to give me three ideas in each category and it works. And it took me just a couple of minutes to do that. And so my tip is if you’re trying to think of a use case for ai, this is an interesting one where you say there’s this methodology or checklist and can I write a prompt that would allow me to just say, input what I want to do and then have the AI apply that methodology and give me an output that I want. And I’ve just had a lot of success doing that.

Tom Mighell:

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