Dennis and Tom Go Full Scrooge-Mode On Technology

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Intro: Web 2.0, Innovation, Trend, Collaboration, Software, Metadata… Got the world turning as fast as it can? Hear how technology can help legally speaking with two of the top legal technology experts, authors and lawyers Dennis Kennedy and Tom Mighell. Welcome to The Kennedy-Mighell Report here on the Legal Talk Network.

Dennis Kennedy: And welcome to Episode 327 of The Kennedy-Mighell Report. I’m Dennis Kennedy in Ann Arbor.

Tom Mighell: And I’m Tom Mighell in Dallas.

Dennis Kennedy: In our last episode, we shared some of our thinking and some of our experiments in generative artificial intelligence or generative AI. In this episode, we decided we were already tired of how they tech gift list posts and it’s not even Thanksgiving in the U.S. yet. Want to hear more about what irritates us most in tech these days and see if you agree? Stay tuned. Tom, what’s all on our agenda for this episode?

Tom Mighell: Well Dennis, in this edition of the Kennedy-Mighell Report, we will indeed be going full scrooge mode and going bah-humbug on technology. In our second segment, we will switch directions abruptly and tell you a few tech items we’d be happy to give or maybe receive as gifts. And as usual, we’ll finish up with our parting shots that one tip website or observation that you can start using the second that this podcast is over.

But first up, it’s that time of year. It’s a time of year when people seem to go all-in on creating tech gift lists, podcasts on the right gifts to give and they start appearing earlier and earlier. I think I have already seen a dozen tech holiday gift guides. And as Dennis mentioned before, we are recording before Thanksgiving. And that’s made us a little crabby so we figured that you’re in good hands with the gift guides. There’ll be lots of places for you to find out what are the perfect gifts for you or your loved one. Instead, we thought we’d exercise some ghosts of technology past, present and future and talk about some of the things that really bug us about technology.

Dennis, how does this topic make you feel?

Dennis Kennedy: In a word, scrooge-tastic. Now Tom, this is — I don’t know why this has made me so grumpy this year but I saw three or four of them today and I’m like, “Come on, what are we doing here?” So I have some quibbles about them and so will — but it just seems like there’s too much of it and it seems like people are being a little bit unrealistic about what tech is out there and what it will do and I thought it was time maybe we got a little bit real about some of the stuff that really bugged us. So what about you Tom, how are you feeling about it?

Tom Mighell: Well you know, I think there are plenty of things that irritate me about technology but I think that when all is said and done, there can only in this podcast be one winner of the ‘get off my lawn award’ and I think I already know who that’s going to be. So let’s jump right in and figure out who’s going to be doing that. Dennis, what tops your list?

Dennis Kennedy: First of all, I absolutely have to congratulate you on your eventual winning the award at the end of this podcast. But number one for me is one that everybody I talked to has and I just call it a ‘stop changing my damn defaults.’ And whether it’s moving from Zoom to Teams to whatever the online conferencing tools and finding out that your default microphone and camera have been switched to defaults in other programs when there’s updates, there’s just all kinds of things that I’m used to having. And then seeing that they get switched, I just, you know, it can’t be that hard just to leave things the way they are. I hate finding things that have changed without me doing anything. So that’s the top of my list.

If I’ve made something to default especially if I’ve actively chosen it then don’t change it. And if you’re in it — and I’ll call out Microsoft Teams because this happened to me this morning, if you can do something where you grab default microphones of the default microphone I don’t expect then don’t make the settings thing about two or three levels down where I have to click on three little dots to get in to actually choose a microphone. So that’s grumpiness number one. Tom, how about you?

Tom Mighell: I will teach you the shortcut to get to that much sooner some other day and maybe part of that grumpiness will go away.

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But I want to actually dig into the details of that one a little bit more. Even though Dennis you said you were going to go broader on this topic, I feel like I’m restating a little bit of old ground that you just stated but I want to talk generally about the fact that any application that relies on or connects to a microphone or a set of speakers is guilty of this problem. They’re guilty of changing the defaults or suddenly making what you have not available.

I have two different problems so the problem irritates me more. I have less issues on defaults on anything else than between Zoom, Teams and actually even using audacity to record this podcast is all of a sudden it will switch over to use the default on the computer and it won’t even recognize the camera that’s plugged in. It won’t even recognize the microphone that’s plugged in. It says it’s not even there. And I just don’t understand that. And you’re all guilty, every tool is guilty of doing that. So, figure out a way to set those in place and have them right.

And you know, I think part of the reason why you’re going to win the ‘get off my lawn award’ is because I think that Windows has a hand in it or I’m not sure if Max have a hand in this too but I also think to the extent that the operating system of the computer you’re working with determines default speakers and microphones. I think that plays a part too so maybe I should just say all of you get your act together and figure out how to solve that particular issue because that to me is my number one issue as well.

All right, Dennis, number two for you.

Dennis Kennedy: You want a couple of other examples? Just today I was using my Amazon Echo as a default Bluetooth speaker and it just started to — I was in the other room. I wanted to listen to something on my AirPods and I heard it playing in another room on the Amazon Echo. I mean, come on and, you know, the other things are Twitter’s notoriously approach of you said it for reverse chronological order and it changes back to the algorithmic feed. There’s like tons of examples but let me get to number two and not dwell too much on number one. And that is Google Search. I know Tom, you’re a big fan of Google historically on the show but in the early days when Google came onto the scene, it was this breath of fresh air because the main search engine for a lot of people was something called AltaVista. And AltaVista decided to like put all of these ads and suggestions and all these other things so it actually became really hard to do search. And so, Google came along with just this clear search bar and pull up the results and it was awesome.

So now, I go on to Google Search and it looks exactly, it’s become AltaVista. I see ads. I see the search engine optimize results. I see all these other things. It’s totally cluttered. It’s a mess. And if we were doing a gift guide, I actually find Google unusable right now to say like, “Oh I just want to find like a recommended which of this type of tool or something is recommended.” Google is terrible for that because you have to wade through all these sites that have been optimized to sell you ads. And so, here we are. We started out with Google being the solution to the AltaVista problem and now, Google has become AltaVista and I’m looking for like a new Google to get me out of the problem that Google originally solved for me.

Tom Mighell: Well I have to say I don’t have the same problem with Google. I can generally still find what I want even though I see that more results at the top happened to be advertising. I just have to now start in the middle of the page rather than at the top of the page like I used to. So I will say yes, I think Google is declining but I’m not unhappy with it like Mr. Crouch on the lawn over on the other side of this microphone.

So my number two is — here’s a simple question for everybody. Why isn’t Bluetooth better than it is? It’s been around forever. Why hasn’t it been improved to the point where we can’t get devices to connect to each other in a consistent and stable way so that it doesn’t keep losing the connection to where you can connect some devices but not all devices to where you connect — for example, I have a Google Home in my bathroom that I use as a speaker to listen when I’m getting ready in the morning and I put my phone up and I want to listen to a podcast. The podcast connects to it instantaneously and it has a very strong signal. Then I want to play Spotify music, I try to connect it, connecting, connecting, connecting, connecting. Oh, it’s now playing on your computer upstairs.

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It’s not playing on the Google Home downstairs because it decided to connect by Bluetooth upstairs rather than that.

I hate the fact that some devices can only connect to one Bluetooth thing. I get that they can only be connected at a time but they should be able to remember a couple of different devices that as long as you’re using one at a time, it should work. I’m just amazed and don’t get me started on the Bluetooth connection in your car because I just — it connect so many disconnect so many times. I would think that a technology that’s been around for that long would have become more stable and more capable of good quality connections and the ability to make a connection between different devices.

Dennis Kennedy: You know that’s a really good one Tom and especially the car one. And then my little add-on on Bluetooth that I like is you have a device that you want to connect to and you have it searching for devices and –.

Tom Mighell: It doesn’t even show up. It doesn’t even come up in the list.

Dennis Kennedy: It show up. You have it on. It’s the one you want to connect to and it does not show up. And your neighbor’s devices –.

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Your neighbor’s TV is showing up on the list.

Tom Mighell: My peloton bike from upstairs shows up on every device in the house but I can’t get the phone right next to it to do anything. I mean I could connect my peloton bike to my car but my phone won’t connect to it.

Dennis Kennedy: Yeah. And the Bluetooth solution, the troubleshooting solution which is sort of like the default microphone solution sometimes is you got to turn the device off and on for something to happen which is no solution at all.

Tom Mighell: It’s not a solution. Okay, we can make a whole podcast on Bluetooth so Dennis, move on to your number three.

Dennis Kennedy: So number three is what I call the so-called security questions and weak password requirements. So I went on to a site and it was a financial site recently and it said, okay so you need to put in a password and it says, “Here’s what you need” and then I failed on the password because it had to be letters and numbers and not characters, okay? So it’s forced me into actually putting in a weak password on there. And then it says, “You need to provide answers for the security questions.” And basically, they were so easy that I just think of like all these people who know the answers to my security questions if I would have answered these. And so, you’re in this position where you say, “Oh, I need to answer these questions with a fake answer that I probably won’t remember except I would have to put in my password manager.

And so, I go on the site and I go, I have a weak password. There’s terrible security questions and I’ve been forced into that. So all the work that I normally do on having a secure setup, they’ve done their doctors to defeat. So I think that thing can definitely be improved in a number of sites especially for sites that clearly hold significant information.

Tom Mighell: So I’m going to piggyback on your annoyance and I’m going to double down on annoyance around passwords. And what really annoys me are websites. And this is kind of where I kind of wander into the, “Well, is there a good reason why I’m annoyed about this? I mean, this is the way it is and I shouldn’t be annoyed. Or is it legitimate to be annoyed?” I will use my bank as an example.

If I want to log into my bank on my phone, I can pull up the bank app and then I will copy. I have to go to my password app and copy it because it won’t automatically fill in because it won’t. For some reason the app won’t let me automatically fill it in. I will then go and copy and paste that password and then, well, I put my username in and then I have to go get my password and when I come back, my username has gone again. And so I have to put that in and it resets every single time I open up the app to try to do something.

Furthermore, there are a ton of sites, not just mobile, but on websites that will not let you copy and paste passwords into the password thing. They have made it impossible to paste a password. What is the point of a 20-digit complicated password if you have to go and type it in letter by letter, digit by digit every time you’re putting it in? Let us copy it. Is there some security reason why we can’t do it? I just want to copy and paste. I really want something that would let me fill it in automatically but your little website won’t let me. If it won’t let me copy and paste, it won’t autofill either. So, you know, get your act together and make it easy for us to use the long passwords that we’re supposed to be using in the way that they’re supposed to be used.

All right, we got more scrooging to come but I think right now we need to take a quick break for a word from our sponsors.

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Dennis Kennedy: And we are back. Tom, it was really easy and that’s probably obvious to people for me to make this list and I had to leave a few things off. How about you? What’s next on your list?

Tom Mighell: Well you know, it’s funny, it wasn’t as easy for me to make the list but now we’re talking about, I’m kind of getting my fire up and I’m kind of feeling irritated by all these. So here’s my next one. My next one are websites that are still built only for web browsers and not built for the mobile experience. And my main example of this is, I went to a website, I needed to fill in a web form. And I tried to do it in portrait mode but the forms were off to the side and I couldn’t move to the side. I could only see part of the web page. So I had to turn over into landscape to see the website and then some of the form fill parts were drop down menus that when I hit the drop down, it totally reset the entire form and I couldn’t actually do it. And I finally said, I can’t actually, I can’t do this on a mobile device.

You read the crowd website people. Understand who your users are and that they’re using mobile devices. There are so many I mean, there’s so many websites out there that are still not optimized for websites. I would think this would be easy. That would just be something that most sites would be doing. In fact, I remember when I — on my blog, there’s literally a button that you press and say make this accessible, your blog accessible, on a mobile device. I mean how hard — granted. It’s probably a lot harder with more advanced websites but I don’t care. Go ahead and do it. It needs to be done. Dennis?

Dennis Kennedy: Yeah. And the bonus point there is on the same thing is when you can see the very top of it what you assume is a submit button that you’re not able to get your mouse on.

Tom Mighell: That’s right.

Dennis Kennedy: That is one of my all-time favorite. So my number four is spontaneous phone calls. So I know somebody who posts about once a year sometimes more on Facebook. He says, “Look, I manage a nightclub like why are you calling me? Like think about it for one second. And why are you leaving me voicemails? Think about that. Just send me texts.” And I’m like the same thing like spontaneous phone call just doesn’t work for me. I was talking to somebody today I said, “Like you’re really hard to get. I’ve been trying to reach you.” And I go, “You’re always calling me during a time like I’m on a Zoom call. Plus, you can use Calendly to schedule time with me.”

So I would just say like your smartphone can be used for many things but spontaneous phone calls to people who aren’t close family and friends just doesn’t make sense to me anymore. When I get a phone call, I just assume it’s like really, really important otherwise I ignore it. So that’s one of my scrooge things is like, let’s do away with the spontaneous phone calls. We can have spontaneity in some other ways but not phone calls.

Tom Mighell: Okay. So this Dennis, this one for you is the reason why you’re going to win the award because you’ve now officially wandered outside of tech because this isn’t a tech quibble. It’s not a problem with technology. This is a problem with people that you think can be solved by tech and what I wonder is, is before smartphones ever existed, before any of these tools ever existed back in the 80’s and 90’s, were you this mad about spontaneous phone calls because that’s all that existed. They were all spontaneous calls. We never knew when people — nobody ever called up and say, “Hey, I’m going to call you in 20 minutes. I’m going to call you tomorrow at 11:00. Nobody ever did that back then. It was all spontaneous. Anyway.

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Dennis Kennedy: Here’s what you need to do Tom is look at the TV shows and movies from the 80s and 90s and to see like how disruptive a phone call is.

Tom Mighell: They’re also irritated because they’re getting spontaneous phone calls.

Dennis Kennedy: No, it’s so funny like people, is this the we talk because somebody in the phone will ring and like everything stops while they get the phone.

Tom Mighell: Well, it’s a drama. It’s supposed to be dramatic.

Dennis Kennedy: This is the most important thing.

Tom Mighell: All right. So here’s my next one. Here’s my number five which is, my next two are about consistency. I want consistency. This first one is why no consistent charging cable standard? Why is there no consistent standard for this?

Now, I am going to — these next two I’m actually going to go on a little rant about the whole Apple world and Apple deciding that it needs to decide what things are like. But it goes beyond Apple with charging cables because we might have things that are micro USB, we might have things that are for God’s sake still USB-A, those big old nasty things, we’ve got USB-C which seems to be catching on in most of the rational reality-based world and then you have Apple with its lightning port that it will not go away from with its iPhone.

However, it looks like it’s going to happen this coming year because the European Union passed a law that basically said all devices need to have USB-C ports by a certain time which is essentially forcing Apple out of it. I want to not have to carry 12 different charging or other types of cables to connect my devices. That’s where my frustration comes from. I want something that’s universal. I want to be able to charge something or plug something in or connect something not having to have 25 dongles. And that’s my frustration. I wish we could all just get along and do something that was the same.

Dennis Kennedy: Well my number five is going to be short and sweet and I think something everyone shares. It’s like stop, subscribe me to your damn email newsletter. If I want it, I’ll subscribe. Don’t make that assumption for me. I think your interpretation of the CAN-SPAM Act is a little dubious in some cases and if I want it, I’ll reach for it. If I don’t then don’t bother me.

Tom Mighell: That comes dangerously close to a people problem again Dennis but I will let that go and I’ll move on to my next one which is another consistency. And this comes closer to an Apple versus Google world problem which is why no consistent SMS standard. I want a world where we don’t have to worry about whether kids are getting bullied because they’re the blue bubble in a conversation with Apple users. Literally, we’re having people get bullied at school because they are perceived as being other because their SMS is different. Google and others, not just Google, other companies have been begging to have Apple adopt the RCS standard that would bring us into a better way of consolidating and making consistent all the SMS things and Apple steadfastly refuses to do it.

I just wish that we could all have the same types of SMS messages that everybody was having and that there wasn’t some level of difference around it. It just doesn’t make any sense to me. I mean, I can get through it, I can use it, it’s just annoying as hell, Dennis?

Dennis Kennedy: Yeah. I solve that by only using Apple products and conversing with Apple people so I don’t see what’s so difficult about that.

Tom Mighell: But you do conduct — so that doesn’t really work.

Dennis Kennedy: That seems like a people problem. So my number six is just one that is really irritating to me because it’s almost like — I was watching this thing on PBS where they were dating back into the Roman era by taking core samples from trees and then kind of overlapping them so they can go back hundreds and thousands of years and then also doing ice core samples. And so, and I mentioned that because a lot of times I’m using websites and user interfaces and I can sort of date the sides back like this one’s from a five years ago, this one’s from 10 years ago, this one’s about 20 years ago.

But I’m still surprised when I go to a site and I want to double click on something or right click and I don’t get the experience that I want. I still can’t believe I go into a site where I have to click on an edit button to actually make edits unlike this does seems like from the DOS era. So I like having actual user experience that seems contemporary. So that’s what I have. I don’t know if you’re going to give us time but do you have a lightning round for one more bonus item?

Tom Mighell: We can do a quick bonus run and I saw that you were going to do something Microsoft so I decide to do something Microsoft as well.

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So my major Microsoft beef is actually more related to me than anything else which is Microsoft has the extremely annoying habit of announcing its new features months or years ahead of when they’re actually going to come out. And so, I’ll get a notification that something new is coming to Teams and I’m like, “This is awesome.” It’s not expected until quarter three of next year and I have to wait for it. And I’m like, “I’d rather not know about it that far off.” I mean, let me know as it’s coming in this quarter. That’s just a me thing and it’s probably not something that everybody is annoyed with but when I hear about a new thing that’s interesting, I want to try it immediately. I don’t want to have to wait for a year and a half to do it. So figure out a new way to tantalize me Microsoft, I would appreciate it.

Dennis Kennedy: So mine is a really simple thing that I just keep running into. So I use for copy and paste, I use essentially the ctrl C, ctrl V or command C, command V in the Mac to copy and paste. And so, I will need to do something in Outlook to put somebody’s email address into the little two table to address it to somebody and I’ll grab their email address from somewhere else if it’s not available and I’ll pop it in there and I’ll do a ctrl C and I do a ctrl V and nothing happens. And then, what I have to do is I have to right-click and then choose paste to put that in there. So I don’t know like in what world you would say like, “Oh, here’s an idea.” Because you have to code this, right? The way you would go like, “Here’s something we will choose to do. We will choose to make ctrl v network to paste and email address in. it just blows me away that somebody would make that kind of baffling choice. So that’s what I have Tom.

Tom Mighell: Well, we’ll have to talk later because I’ve literally never had that problem Dennis. So we’ll have to talk Microsoft later but that feels like a whole lot of unloading that we’ve done and we need to recover from that. So until we get to our next segment, let’s take a quick break for a message from our sponsor.

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Tom Mighell: And now let’s get back to the Kennedy-Mighell Report. I’m Tom Mighell.

Dennis Kennedy: And I’m Dennis Kennedy. That was a lot of negativity and I feel really good after that. Maybe you don’t so we decided the best way to follow that would be to tell you about some tech tools we use and really liked so much that we’d be happy to give them as gifts this year. Tom, what made your happy tech gift list?

Tom Mighell: Well I broke your rule just slightly and I’m doing two things that I’d be happy to give and two things that I’d be happy, really one thing that I’d be happy to get but two different versions of it.

So the three things that are on my list, two things that I think are awesome gifts are the Ember mug, the self-heating mug. I will tell you I can’t ever drink a hot beverage in anything other than this because it gets cold within seconds for me and having it in your Ember mug where you can heat it to the temperature that you prefer, you go into the app and say I want this to be 140 degrees all the time and it keeps it 140 for hours and it’s just wonderful. It’s a nice way to keep a hot glass of — I use, I drink tea but you can use it for anything that’s hot. So I highly recommend the Ember mug. They’ve got the mugs. They’ve also have kind of like the, what do you call like the commuter mugs for things too if you need to go on the move with it. And they charge by putting into either coaster for the actual mug itself or the other has a plug where you can plug into.

The other smart tool that I am really enjoying is my Schlage, I think that’s how you pronounce it. Smart lock. Most lock companies have some smart lock. That’s the one that we chose. We chose the one called the encode plus. It’s a Wi-Fi connected smart lock. You can set codes for anybody to come in and say we want this code to only work on Monday, Wednesday, Friday between 2:00 and 3:00 and it’ll work only during those times. You always see who’s coming and who’s going. We’ve had guests lately and we can tell when they come to the house and when they leave. Also, the thing that I liked about it best is, is that I don’t have to take a key with me when I walk the dog anymore, I just press a button and it locks.

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And I don’t have to worry about whether I’ve locked the front door anymore, I can just pull out my phone and I can lock it. So, highly recommended. The gifts that I want somebody to give to me is I want a higher quality webcam and there’s two versions that I want to think about. Obviously, ultimately I might want a DLSR camera as my webcam but for now, I would be happy either with the Elgato Facecam Pro which is a 4K60. I’m not even sure what that is but that means really good. It’s a really high quality webcam that Elgato has put out. Or a webcam called the Insta360 Link. It also is a 4K camera but it’s on a gimbal so it actually moves. It uses AI to follow you and so, if you happen to move around the screen, it will reposition and center you in the picture among other things. It’s really kind of cool.

So those are the things that I would want if I was going to up my webcam game from what I have right now. I really like the camera I have now but I wouldn’t mind somebody else getting me something a little bit more powerful. Dennis, what about you?

Dennis Kennedy: Well now, I really want a gimbal just because I love the way that word sounds. So on my list, this is stuff that I just really like and I use and work and be happy to recommend to anybody. So, I have this Elgato wave microphone, just a little USB mic. It sits on a stand and it’s great for Zoom calls because it lets you move around. You don’t have to have a headset and just looks like a little radio microphone. That’s great. Logitech Brio. Been really, really happy with it as a webcam.

For those of you who do mind mapping and other things like that like about six bucks on Amazon, there’s something called a Helix Geometry Template and it is a lot. It gives you like circles, squares, hexagons, all these other shapes in a template form. It’s a nice solid plastic and you can draw these nice shapes and I find that I use a hexagon now to start all my mind maps. I really like the Amazon Echo Show and I continue to be a big AirPods Pro fan.

The other thing that I really like to share that I’ve gone on at length in other podcasts is Calendly for setting up appointments. I think it’s just amazing. So now, it’s time for our parting shots, that one tip website, our observation you can use the second this podcast ends. Tom, take it away.

Tom Mighell: Well you know, I had this as my parting shot today but then I all of a sudden read a story today about my parting shots about Zoom. But what I noticed today and I didn’t happen to take a look at it to see what Zoom earnings were like but it’s expected that Zoom is in some level of decline at least in popularity. And so, this parting shot that I have I think has something to do with Zoom trying to keep itself relevant because to a certain extent, Zoom is a one-trick pony. It just says a meeting tool. It doesn’t do some of the things that other tools might be able to do. And so, what you’re going to be seeing now is that Zoom has got a new tool coming out that they call Zoom One, a centralized Zoom service that offers chat services, shared whiteboard, dedicated chat rooms and more. And it’s going to combine in-meeting chats with offline chats into a single chat interface.

The one thing that to me is both intriguing and a little creepy scary is something that they call Zoom Spots which sounds when I look this into it like a perpetual Zoom call. It’s something you can leave on all the time at work and you can listen to your co-workers and talk and yell across the room and say, “Oh, hey” all this stuff but it seems like it is designed to be, it’s supposed to replicate the working alongside aspect of an open office for workers and encourages freeform video first conversations which take that as you will. I think it’s interesting and intriguing that Zoom is trying to differentiate itself and make itself more relevant than what it is. Time will only tell whether these will be successful or welcomed by the people who are already using Zoom for its meeting products. Dennis?

Dennis Kennedy: Was that last one called Zoom Hell? It sort of seems like it’s an effort to duplicate the worst of the open office concept. So my parting shot is I don’t know about the rest of you but I have all these old earbuds and other things lying around that I don’t get rid of. And so, I actually found what I think is a good use for them and that’s just for audiobook and podcast listening because you’re listening to voice and so you might invest your money in like really nice earbuds or headphones to listen to music and for movies and other things like that. But for audiobooks and podcasts, you don’t need that greater sound quality.

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And so almost every all your old earbuds are going to be good enough. And I found them really useful for bedtime reading and listening to audiobooks and podcasts if that’s something you do before you go to bed. So it’s something you do right away. You probably have some lying around and it’s a good way to get some use of them while you pretend to yourself that you one day going to gather them up and donate them somewhere.

Tom Mighell: I’m just going to have to say Dennis, I don’t understand the parting shot because I don’t know what it’s like to keep multiple pairs of earbuds. I don’t know the purpose for that. Once I move on from a pair of earbuds, I’ve moved on. It’s done. I don’t need to keep that because I’ve moved on to something that’s new so that’s kind of a concept that is completely foreign to me.

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