Debbie Foster joins Dennis and Tom once again for their yearly “Pardon the Interruption”-esque recap. The trio examine oodles of issues and advancements (or lack thereof) in both legal tech and the profession in general. And, miraculously, even though there seems to be no recognizable competition going on, Tom wins the day!
Have a technology question for Dennis and Tom? Call their Tech Question Hotline at 720-441-6820 for answers to your most burning tech questions.
Debbie Foster is the managing partner for Affinity Consulting, and is a nationally recognized thought leader on efficiency and innovation in professional legal organizations.
Special thanks to our sponsors, Colonial Surety Company, ServeNow, and Nota.
Tom Mighell: Before we get started, we’d like to thank our sponsors.
Dennis Kennedy: First of all, we’d like to thank Nota, powered by M&T Bank. Nota is banking built for lawyers and provide smart, no cost IOLTA account management. Visit trustnota.com/legal to learn more. That’s N-O-T-A, Nota. Terms and conditions may apply.
Tom Mighell: Next, we’d like to thank Colonial Surety Company Bonds and Insurance for bringing you this podcast. Whatever court bonds you need, get a quote and purchase online at Colonial Surety.com/podcast.
Dennis Kennedy: And of course, we’d like to thank ServeNow, a nationwide network of trusted pre-screen process servers who work with the most professional process servers, who have experience with high volume servers, embrace technology and understand the litigation process. Visit Servenow.com to learn more.
Intro: Got the world turning as fast as it can,here how technology can help legally speaking with two of the top legal technology experts, authors and lawyers. Dennis Kennedy with Tom Mighell. Welcome to the Kennedy-Mighell Report here on the Legal Talk Network.
Dennis Kennedy: And welcome to Episode 303 of the Kennedy-Mighell Report. I’m Dennis Kennedy in Ann Arbor.
Tom Mighell: And I’m Tom Mighell in Dallas.
Dennis Kennedy: Well, another year is in the books and we’ve sailed past our 300th episode. In our last episode, we talked about using soundscapes and functional music for productivity and other purposes. I love this topic and highly recommend that episode. Now it’s time for our annual end-of-the-year show. Tom, what’s on our agenda for this episode?
Tom Mighell: Well Dennis, in this edition of the Kennedy-Mighell report we will indeed be wrapping up 2021 in our traditional style. Longtime listeners will know that ESPN’s Pardon the Interruption show also known as PTI with Tony Kornheiser and Michael Wilbon was one of the inspirations for the Kennedy-Mighell report podcast. Our tradition is to use some elements of PTI for the format of this recap episode. So that’s what we plan to do and we’ve got our special guest, our favorite fan of the show, Debbie Foster. Thanks for joining us for the episode, Debbie.
Debbie Forster: Thanks for having me. I’m thrilled to be here.
Tom Mighell: For those of you unfamiliar with the PTI format, we’re going to have three segments. The first segment is Toss Up in which we purposely take opposite sides of a legal tech topic which is going to be interesting since there are three of us. What’s the Word in which we fill in the blank on a statement about a legal tech topic, with a well-chosen word or maybe sometimes words and our own new segment Hot or Not in which we categorize a legal tech topic as hot, not or something in between. And then we end up with that fast response, big finish to give you Debbie and Dennis a sneak preview of the results. I’m going to win every segment.
Debbie Foster: That’s ridiculous.
Tom Mighell: All right, so let’s get started by let Debbie, introduce yourself really quickly.
Debbie Foster: My name is Debbie Foster. I’m with Affinity Consulting and I work with law firms all over the country helping them solve their biggest challenges related to technology and people and how they get their work done and building a successful, thriving, firm for the future.
Tom Mighell: All right. Well, thank you, Debbie and good luck to you in the game. Our first segment is called toss-up. In toss-up, all of us are required to take a different side on each topic. Again, three-sides is going to be interesting here. We argue our positions and in the end, I will declare myself the winner. Dennis are the rules clear?
Dennis Kennedy: No agreeing. Well, first of all I disagree about the rules, the results, and the fact that we can have three sides of a two-sided question. But here’s our first Toss Up question. Many people said 2020 and COVID accelerate the legal professions move to the cloud and other new technologies by ten years and ten months. Did 2021 move us another ten years forward, Tom?
Tom Mighell: Okay, so I would say not ten years, but yes, there was progress. There was more progress. I mean I think that what 2021 helped us recognize was that 2020 was not a fluke, that we are going to be in a in a certain way of working from home. I’ve seen, and frankly we’ve seen some law firms actually start to say working remotely is going to be the thing that we start doing. I fully expect that things will modify and that technology will advance as a result because we’re understanding better that 2020 was just not a flash in the pan that this maybe, I hate to use the word the new normal, but it is. This will be the way things will be and so, I think that there was modifications and improvements and progress on technology during 2021 but not near the same level that there was in 2020. Just 2020 was huge and that’s because lawyers never advance in technology, 2021 modest. Debbie.
Debbie Foster: I’m going to kind of agree with you, Tom. I think that there was definitely progress made. Some of the progress though I think was a move back toward how things were before finding a balance so the pendulum was on the far left, swung to the far right and has maybe come back down a bit towards the center and coming up with a way that people can still take advantage of some of the advances from a technology perspective and maybe even more importantly from a culture perspective in a way that made the most sense going forward in 2021. I think in 2020, it was more emergent and it had to be done and we got there, maybe not in the most logical way possible but I think that kind of rounded out in 2021 in really positive way but I don’t think we move forward ten years in 2021.
Dennis Kennedy: So my comment is, the two of you is you cannot be serious. I mean most of what I saw was just purely treading water. I think that I saw more words written about law firms going back to the office than anything else. I looked at the ABA. AB is legal technology survey and, and I wrote that tech report on cloud computing and was like nothing had happened. I mean like basically all the numbers were flat. The only thing that changed was the lawyers’ cybersecurity practices got even worse. So, I think there was a big move backwards last year and it’s frankly was discouraging to me.
Tom Mighell: All right, Dennis, Debbie and I will get off your lawn. Let’s move on to Toss Up number two. Here’s the Toss Up. The most interesting legal tech developments are happening in the access to justice area, Debbie.
Debbie Foster: So I actually don’t think that that is true although I think there are a lot of really interesting legal tech developments in access to justice. I think that there are legal tech developments that are impacting law firms now that are really important and the technology progress from a workflow and automation and collaboration. I don’t want to steal any thunder about collaboration that you guys are going to talk about later, but that there have been some real advances there and from my perspective going into law firms, I don’t know, a couple of law firms a week that I work with. I have seen people really embracing what they see as a development which to me is kind of old news, but if you’ve never seen it before, if you’ve never really understood how to collaborate with someone or take advantage of a technology that I’ve been using what I’ll call pretty efficiently for the last 10 or 12 years, it still can look like an interesting legal tech development that a law firm is taking advantage of. So, I think there’s a lot of cool things happening in law firms today related to technology that maybe should have happened five or ten years ago, but I’m pretty happy to see them happening today.
Dennis Kennedy: Yeah. I’m going to agree to a certain extent with Debbie. I think that access to justice, I love what’s going on there, but I think I would describe it as I think there’s a lot of things happening on the edges and so there are definitely places. Some of them aren’t surprising, some are — I mean I think there’s cool things happening in the big firm space especially outside the US that I think are super cool. I think the alternative legal services providers are doing some things. There’s a whole bunch of new legal tech companies and new combinations of legal tech companies. So, I think there’s a lot happening. I think the big impact ones still although it slowed down a bit I think in 2021 over 2020, I think the access to justice ones are the ones that give me the most optimism about how lawyers are going to serve the community.
Tom Mighell: Okay. My answer is going to be short because really, I’m looking more from the outside than the two of you. I’m not really involved in legal technology so to a certain extent, I have to be seeing things from the outside and my response here is that from the outside I can’t tell that anything’s happening other than stuff in access to justice because it takes up all the oxygen. It gets all the publicity. Debbie all the stuff you’re talking about is great, but we’re not hearing about that. That’s not something that’s getting a lot of press. It’s not something that we would be aware of. I just wish that there would be more publicizing of this kind of information. We learn more stories or maybe people could point me to places where I could learn more about it. It just feels like it’s not getting the recognition it deserves.
Debbie Foster: Okay. Toss Up number three. We’ve learned that travel and in-person meetings are still essential despite the existence of great collaboration tools, Dennis.
Dennis Kennedy: For me, I just updated my social media profile photos to N95 masks. So I’m not — travel in-person meetings are still really tough for me. I think there’s a lot of things that we can do at Zoom. It’s really, I taught in-person a class in the fall semester and there are some things about Zoom that I missed. So, I think that, yeah, it’s great to have in-person meetings. I still I am not convinced we are making the best use of them. I still see people at in-person meetings with everybody in the same boring, dimly-lit hotel rooms, sitting on those hard chairs, looking at a three-person panel so, it’s probably is essential. I just wish we would treat it like it was actually an essential and improve what we’re doing.
Tom Mighell: While I don’t have a problem with virtual and remote and all of that. I really still think that we need human contact for some things. There are some things for which human contact just is necessary. To give an example in the legal world, I’m still not fully convinced that you can do a good cross examination via Zoom. I think that being in front of the person and talking to them in a courtroom, seeing their body language, hearing things and having that happen in a one-on-one thing is still more powerful and more effective. So, I think that there are that I think that in-person is still more effective and more necessary. I will say I think that virtual conferences are terrible from most standpoints. The one standpoint that I think that they’re good from is they have become so much better at allowing the attendees to learn about information in a way that they probably weren’t able to learn before. It’s not necessarily like sitting on the hard seats and watching a three-person panel in the dark and be bored about it. But every other aspect in my opinion, our virtual conferences, the socializing is awkward and stilted. The vendor experience is terrible at conferences. It’s those meetings. I mean, Dennis, you don’t spend time in a conference in those sessions anyway. You spend all of your time out in the hall talking to people or talking to vendors. That’s the experience you don’t get in a virtual conference so I think it’s hard and those are the types of things that I really think are suffering because of all this remoteness.
Debbie Foster: And I would say as a vendor/business partner putting that hat on for a minute I couldn’t agree more that virtual conferences are terrible from that perspective. We probably spent forty or fifty thousand dollars over the last couple of years on virtual booth in air quotes and every penny of that money with the exception of the fact that there is some value in supporting the organizations that put on these conferences, and I don’t want to say that’s not valuable, but from our perspective using those events as strategic marketing events they were absolutely useless. My first conference back was in July and I went to Hilton in August. It was at an ABA meeting in-person, was at an ALA meeting in-person and I think they’re even going back after being gone for so long. There is no substitute for in-person meetings. I just I’m happy with Zoom and we use it when it makes sense and we try to make the best of it. I think there’s a huge opportunity to improve the in-person experience and not make them be panels or even worse than panels manuals. There’s a great opportunity to improve what’s happening there, but the reality is being in-person there is no substitute for that. No Zoom room is ever going to give me the same experience so I’m all for let’s get back into those meetings.
Dennis Kennedy: And Tom, let me throw up Toss Up number four, so if you were to sum up your thoughts on 2021, how would you do that? Tweet stream, Substack Newsletter, YouTube video, TikTok video, Discord server, NFT, what would you use?
Tom Mighell: It’s so I’m torn here. I think that we talked about this a little bit last year and I think that I threw everything behind Substack. I still think that Substack is an interesting way to go. What you didn’t include here are some of the community things. I mean, Discord kind of gets you closer to it. So, I think I would say I’m torn. This year talking about Discord and/or TikTok. TikTok has really taken off. We’ve seen lawyers including one of our hosts here, spending more time and doing content on TikTok. I think it is a very interesting medium to be using Discord. To me is just one example of the communities that are available out there that you can set up.
It is by no means the only one. There are some people who say that it shouldn’t really be considered as a serious one for most people in in legal that there are better options for that. But I think that the two ideas there are one, finding new ways to reach an audience and TikTok is definitely a new way to reach an audience and two, ways to build communities and Discord again is one of the better examples at doing that. So those would be the two I would just say I know for sure it’s not NFT which is the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever heard.
Debbie Foster: And for me, I’m going to go old-school. I wouldn’t do it in any of those ways. I might be the last person or Tom and I might be that last two people that don’t have TikTok accounts. I don’t have one. I don’t plan on ever getting one. I would probably put mine on LinkedIn if we wish to have my thoughts on 2021 from a professional perspective. I’d go on LinkedIn. There’s no way I would go on any of those other things and I certainly would not do at Tweet stream. That’s not my jam over there.
Dennis Kennedy: So I think Deb, for me, the answer is pretty close to all of the above. So there’s a part of me that wants to say that I would sum up in one tweet and even more so in one hashtag, but that’s pretty difficult to do. I think that as time we talked about there’s some different categories and as Debbie pointed out, you also want to go where your audience is and you want to do a to do repurposing. So all of these things to me become options. And so I think you’re looking to say, where is your audience? Do you want to do video? There’s so much attention to videos so TikTok is interesting. The community piece, I love using mighty networks and have a community there. And then the other thing is, if I’m putting out my thoughts, I want to monetize it and this is what the new Creator Academy is about and that’s where things like NFTs, like Substack and other things were people pay you for content of really, really become interesting. And so, I think it does come down to 0the sort of pretty close to all of the above, except that we all have things that we don’t like and I would, I just can’t even imagine doing an email newsletter ever again.
Tom Mighell: And that’s it for Toss Up and as predicted, I clearly won.
Debbie Foster: Oh gosh. Here we go.
Tom Mighell: Before we — all right. We got to move on to our next segment and that next segment What’s the Word? In this next segment we are going to have a sentence about a legal tech topic that has a blank in it. Each of us is going to come up with the best word or maybe words to fill in the blank. Dennis, what is our first sentence?
Dennis Kennedy: The combination of the adaption of the ethical duty of technology competence in many states and I move in Arizona, Utah. Some other states to open up or re-regulate the legal profession had, and I’ll say a or an blank impact on the legal profession, Tom.
Tom Mighell: I will use the word mixed, a mixed because you’ve included both legal tech competence and you’ve talked about re-regulation and I really think that in my opinion, the tech competence thing has kind of been a big bust. I mean we would celebrate every state that would start doing it and now most every state has adapted the duty, but what are we seeing actually happening with that? I mean, there’s no enforcement. There’s nobody — there’s nobody suing people or making claims. I mean I think we occasionally hear a thing or two about it but I mean, it’s really a whole lot of sound and fury signifying nothing as far as I’m concerned. The re-regulation or legal profession what Arizona, what Utah are thinking about are doing right now, to me is genuinely interesting and I know Dennis, you’re going to talk about other states that have a bah humbug approach to that and maybe that’s true. But I think that these are states that are looking at new ways of doing it and they, I think are moving forward. I think they are doing some interesting things and so I would say that they have the potential to have a much larger impact on the legal profession. I think we need to give it some time but I think that the way that sentence is phrased, I would say it’s a mixed impact, Debbie.
Debbie Foster: My answer is more than one word. I would say it hasn’t had as much of an impact as it should have had, should have. You know, a lot of clients that I work with when we’re talking about strategy it’s not even on their radar that is happening. And I feel like this is more of the same, the bury your head in the sand, the way we’ve always done it, nothing bad could ever happen to me. Nothing bad could ever happen to us and I don’t think that the way that access to justice and understanding the underserved community, I don’t think that people connect that to this challenge of deregulation or re-regulation whatever you want to call it. And you know for me, I wish that our clients were paying more attention to this and we’re more interested in understanding what’s happening in the legal profession because I don’t see it. Right now, what I see is people just expecting and wanting more of the same and believing that those people who are in charge of those things will never allow this to happen if it’s even on their radars
Dennis Kennedy: So my word is teensy-teentsy and, you know, certainly I am an optimist on this stuff but recently, as the time I was thinking as you were talking about the states and the duty of technology confidence, I don’t even know that there were any states this year that that added that and Florida just took a gigantic step backwards and other states are going slow on the so-called re-regulation which I’m not totally a fan of and I just sort of see this this backlash coming and I want to tie it to it, Debbie just said. I think that lawyers are looking to like pull up the drawbridges and make the moats deeper and look at this as a way to protect them. But Napoli, when the benefits of these things actually comes from serving the underserved and we just sort of have, you know, it’s like the telescope is turned a long way on this. So I would like to say, rethink but I think that in 2022 we are just like this to see if the backlash come and things get even more head in the backwards direction.
Tom Mighell: Alright, the next sentence that we have is the one technology all lawyers should be using more of is blank,Debbie.
Debbie Foster: So I’m going to go a quick Toss Up. I’m going to say that as I think I said every year that I’ve done this with you guys I just wish people would use, you’ve learned how to use their core production tools and use them better and be more efficient. But I also think that this concept of practice management software which is been around forever it seems. I feel like I’ve been beating that horse to death for 20-something years. It is still a what I believe to be the single most important software program when it comes to changing the way the lawyer manages a case and has access to the information that is relevant to the case and it can be a game changer in a firm if people really embrace and adapt using practice management software, Dennis.
Dennis Kennedy: Yeah. Those are great answers. I’m going to — to the surprise of no one since Tom and I are finishing up our new Collaboration Tools and Technologies book. It’s collaboration tools baby. That’s the one technology you need to think because I’ve had the occasion to use some legal services in the past year or so. I say take online payments. I mean I just can’t even believe that law firms aren’t hard doing this. So that would be the other thing I would add there.
Tom Mighell: Oh my gosh, please just use a password manager. Just please, just do it. Don’t use the same password, or don’t use the same three passwords or don’t just add a one or two to your passwords, go and get a password manager, and that’s all I have to say about that.
Debbie Foster: All right. The last question. The one thing that should be in the top of every lawyers must learn list is blank, Dennis.
Dennis Kennedy: Cybersecurity period, exclamation point.
Tom Mighell: All right, and I’m going to say I think that because I can’t say cybersecurity because Dennis said it, because I really think that’s probably the answer that everybody should go with. I’m going to go with properly learning to use a camera and a microphone in online meetings. I spent an hour yesterday with someone in the legal technology business, who spent the entire time. I spent the entire time staring at the top of his head and just the bottom to the top part of his nose. I couldn’t see him talk at all. I saw his eyes go back and forth. And he was leaning back in a chair the whole time and I did not say I could not see him and it was a terrible — it was just a terrible experience talking to this person. And I just think that having a good quality camera, you if you’re going to be — if we’re going to be virtual, if we’re going to be doing things, you need to look professional, you need to sound professional and it’s not expensive to do it. Get a good camera and a good microphone and sound like the professional you want to be?
Dennis Kennedy: Was that one word?
Tom Mighell: Oh, you know what? It’s not one word. I would just say, let’s say the one thing that should be at the top of every lawyers must learn list is camera – microphone -etiquette.
Dennis Kennedy: Nice. Nice one word. All right, Debbie.
Debbie Foster: I might be not going to be one word either. I think that what should be at the top of every lawyers must learn list is how to manage their day and it is related to technology, but this whole living in your inbox, as much as we’ve been talking about this for however long we’ve been talking about it. It’s a terrible idea and everyone knows it yet most of the lawyers I work with, live out of their inbox and they’re constantly distracted. They rarely get to deep work. They rarely work on the weekends and they work on the evenings because their email isn’t going crazy at those times and that’s when they can get their work done. And I really feel like if people took control of their day and decided how they were going to manage it and what work they would get done more times than not they would end the day in less time than what they spend now trying to get their work done.
Tom Mighell: And that’s it for, What’s the Word and what do you know? I’ve racked up another tumultuous victory.
Dennis Kennedy: Oh, come on, you really —
Tom Mighell: Sorry, Dennis. Sorry Dennis and Debbie. There’s no time for comments but before we move on to our final segment, let’s take a quick break for a message from our sponsors.
Looking for a process server you can trust. ServeNow.com is a nationwide network of local pre-screened process servers. ServeNow works with the most professional process servers in the industry connecting your firm with process servers who Embrace technology have experience with high volume serves and understand the litigation process and rules of properly effectuating service. Find a pre-screen process server today. Visit www.ServeNow.com.
Wish you could get a quote and purchase an appeal, trustee, a state or any other court or fiduciary bond quickly online. Colonial Surety Company has every bond you need and is a direct insurer that’s US. Treasury listed, licensed in all 50 states and territories and rated A excellent by AM best. So you can be confident it’s a trusted resource. Get started at Colonial Surety.com/podcast.
You went to law school to be a lawyer, not an accountant. Take advantage of Nota, a no-cost IOLTA management tool that helps solo and small law firms track client funds down to the penny. Enjoy peace of mind with one click reconciliation, automated transaction alerts and real-time bank data. Visit trustnota.com/legal to learn more. Terms and conditions may apply
Tom Mighell: And now let’s get back to the Kennedy-Mighell report. I’m Tom Mighell.
Dennis Kennedy: And I’m Dennis Kennedy along with our special guest, Debbie Foster. I’m not sure about the judging on the show. Tom is acting like the referees in the Dallas Cowboys home game.
Tom Mighell: Well, that’s a sad attempt at taunting Dennis, but it’s taunting, nonetheless. Now, let’s move on. It is time for our new segment Hot or Not.
Dennis Kennedy: Tom fire the first topic.
Tom Mighell: All right, the first topic is pump is hot or not pumping VC money into legal Tech, Debbie.
Debbie Foster: Hot, hot, hot, hot, hot like, it couldn’t be hotter. It’s so hot.
Dennis Kennedy: Yeah, I’m going with molten lava hot and throw some of that money our way.
Tom Mighell: And I’m going to answer the question again like I did before. Looking from the outside, looking what other industries are getting in terms of VC money. I would say it’s warming up but it’s not blazing. I mean, it’s not as good as it could be in other industries, but it’s definitely better than it has been.
Debbie Foster: All right. The next one Hot or Not productization.
Dennis Kennedy: I think this is super-hot in the world I’m in. I sort of think that productization is document automation 2.0 and I think it’s heating up.
Tom Mighell: I would say — when you say Dennis hot for the world that you’re in, so I say it’s hot for the five people who are doing it. And so that’s about the world that you’re in because I see people talking about it vaguely, but they don’t really explain it. It’s not really, I mean I think the best explanation we’ve had has been story on our podcast and I haven’t seen it really any place else. I think that it’s not really hot elsewhere, Debbie.
Debbie Foster: You know, I think that it has the potential to be hot and it’s actually connected to this changing of legal services delivery. I think it’s connected to that and I think that there are some opportunities where it could be really hot, but the consumer has to understand what the product is, where to get it and how to compare it to what they might get from a law firm. I think law firms are a long way away from figuring out how to do it within the firm and that’s where I think the real magic will happen.
Dennis Kennedy: All right, last one, hot or not, increasing law firm tech budgets in 2022
Tom Mighell: I will only just say they probably not as cold as the Texas deep freeze of 2021 but not far off.
Dennis Kennedy: Debbie.
Debbie Foster: You know, I think that there is a firm size factor here and I would say that from my perspective in the smaller mid-sized firms, I think the legal tech budgets are increasing for sure. I am seeing people being willing to spend a lot more money than they have in the past, but I don’t think that’s necessarily true for the really small firms or the really large firms.
Dennis Kennedy: And for me, I say anyway, I have a code I can borrow. I just think this super cool. I think they had fears about inflation. Other uncertainty are going to have people crank down budgets. You may see some exceptions, but I think we can see some cost-cutting next year especially with some indications that their firms are going into compensation, compensation Wars.
Tom Mighell: All right. This just in, we’re done with Hot or Not and despite my answers being less than stellar. I still won again and that’s hot. All right. It’s on to our big finish. We are going to answer six questions in 60 seconds. Debbie, here’s number one for you. Your best tech decision of 2021.
Debbie Foster: My remarkable to notebook. It’s unbelievable and I can’t believe how much I love it, and how much I use it.
Tom Mighell: Second ban.
Debbie Foster: Dennis, what’s your favorite new tech tool?
Dennis Kennedy: Well, I got this new Apple watch this year, and I just totally love it at every level and it’s you know, so this is the new version. It just delights me all the time. Tom, what’s your best new Google, or Microsoft product or service?
Tom Mighell: All right, so I don’t know if it’s going to be the best but I’m going to publicize something coming out next year and that is Microsoft Loop. Some people say that it is Google Wave coming back and finding a rebirth, but collaboration in Microsoft 365 is going to be very interesting with Microsoft Loop. I can’t wait to try it out. Debbie, what tech do you most want your law firm clients to explore in 2022.
Debbie Foster: I hate to repeat my answer so I really want our clients that are still using what we often refer to as the antique roadshow products, you know, the ones that used to have to put a CD in the CDROM drive and click next, next, finish to install. I want those clients, the subset of our clients that are still in that camp to move away and really adapt that cloud first strategy. Dennis, the best new technology you saw in 2021 that people will be talking about in 2022 and 2023.
Dennis Kennedy: Well, I’m going to make a head fake toward Web 3 and NFTs. I’m going to make a stronger head faint toward virtual reality in the practice of law and more adaption of the Oculus, but I’m going to go with Notion, which I just love as it’s a lightweight database. I’m using it for everything. It’s the base of my second brain project and also is for Tom second brain project and I just keep finding more and more use for it. Tom, finally what’s your best tip for 2022?
Tom Mighell: I’m going to make it a self-serving tip and I’m going to say go and buy a technology book in 2022 and there are several that are worth reading. I will first start out by saying that the new edition, the work from home edition of the Lawyer’s Guide to Collaboration Tools and Technologies will be out at some point in 2022. Listen to this space so we can tell you when it’s ready to come out. And also Debbie’s folks have put out some great web books on Microsoft Office tools. They’re all available from the ABA Law Practice Division, publishing division, so go check them out.
Dennis Kennedy: So that was 2021 a year like no other, well, maybe other than 2020, and we’re all cautiously ready to move on to 2022 although perhaps more cautiously than we were a couple of days ago. And we’ll have a bunch of great, new topics, ideas and guests for you. Thank you, Debbie for joining us. Debbie, dan you tell people how best to reach you?
Debbie Foster: Absolutely. You can find me on LinkedIn, search Debbie Foster. My company website is affinityconsulting.com and you can find my profile there with a link to my email address, and I would love to hear from anybody who wants to reach out.
Dennis Kennedy: And I’ll just say, happy new year to all of you. We enjoy having you be part of the audience for this show and we invite your comments, your questions and you make it great for us, make it actually a joy for us to do this podcast.
Tom Mighell: So that wraps it up for this last edition of the Kennedy-Mighell report for 2021. Thanks for joining us on the podcast. You can find show notes for this episode on the Legal Talk Networks page for the show. If you like what you hear, please subscribe to our podcast in iTunes or on The Legal Talk network site where you can find archives of all of our previous shows along with transcripts. If you would like to get in touch with us, reach out to us on LinkedIn, or remember you can always leave us a voicemail. That number is (720)-441-6820. We love to get messages for our B segment. So until the next podcast. I’m Tom Mighell.
Dennis Kennedy: And I’m Dennis Kennedy and you’ve been listening to the Kennedy-Mighell report, a podcast on legal technology with an internet focus. If you like what you heard today, please write us in Apple podcast and we’ll see you next time for another episode of the Kennedy-Mighell report on the Legal Talk Network.
Outro: Thanks for listening to the Kennedy-Mighell report. Check out Dennis and Tom’s book. The Lawyers’ Guide to Collaboration Tools and Technologies, smart ways to work together from ABA Books or Amazon. Enjoy us every other week for another edition of the Kennedy-Mighell report only on the Legal Talk Network.
The views expressed by the participants of this program are their own and do not represent the views of nor are they endorsed by Legal Talk Network, its officers, directors, employees, agents, representatives, shareholders, and subsidiaries. None of the content should be considered legal advice. As always, consult a lawyer.
Podcast transcription by Tech-Synergy.com