ABA TECHSHOW 2024 – A Preview from the Co-Chairs

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Male: Welcome to The Digital Edge with Sharon Nelson and Jim Calloway. Your hosts, both legal technologists, authors and lecturers, invite industry professionals to discuss a new topic related to lawyers and technology. You’re listening to Legal Talk Network.

Sharon D. Nelson: Welcome to the 188th edition of The Digital Edge Lawyers and Technology. We’re glad to have you with us. I’m Sharon Nelson, president of Sensei Enterprises, an information technology, cybersecurity and digital forensics firm in Fairfax, Virginia.

Jim Calloway: And I’m Jim Calloway, director of the Oklahoma Bar Association’s Management Assistance program. Today, our topic is ABA TECHSHOW 2024 – A Preview from the Co-Chairs. So none of you’ll be surprised that our guests today are the co-chairs of ABA TECHSHOW 2024.

Cynthia Thomas is proprietor of PLMC & Associates, a consultancy firm specializing in law firm management. The company excels in providing expert guidance on human resources and financial operations and management specifically tailored to the needs of the small and medium sized law firms. Cynthia is also the regional manager at Offit Kurman, an Am Law 200 law firm located in Los Angeles.  Cynthia co-authored the 7th edition of the American Bar Association’s bestselling book, Law Office Policies, Procedures and Operations Manual in 2022. She sits on several committees within the ABA Law Practice Division and the GPSolo Division, as well as being a member of the Association of Legal Administrator’s Professional Development Committee.

Sofia Lingos is the founding and managing attorney of Trident Legal, a Boston based law firm that provides innovative transactional legal services to small businesses, entrepreneurs and startups in diverse industries throughout all stages of growth. Lingos also teaches law practice management and access to justice at Northeastern University School of Law, has served as the director of the Community Business Clinic and teaches law practice technology at Chase College of Law. She is actively involved with numerous professional and philanthropic organizations where she holds various leadership positions. She’s widely published and an invited speaker in the national arena on the topics of law practice management, entrepreneurship, innovation, access to justice and business law.

Thanks for joining us today, Cynthia and Sofia.

Cynthia Thomas: Thank you so much for inviting us. We are delighted to be here.

Sofia Lingos: Hi, Sharon and Jim. Thank you so much for having us today. And wow, 188 episodes. I’ve been a longtime listener and it’s very exciting to be on your podcast today.

Sharon D. Nelson: Well, we’re delighted to have you both with us. Let’s start, Cynthia by maybe having you tell us about yourself and how you got involved with ABA TECHSHOW.

Cynthia Thomas: Well, thanks Sharon. Jim pretty much summed it up in my bio there. I don’t know where you got that bio from, but it was pretty darn good. Basically, I am the owner of a Law Firm Management Consulting Firm in Southern California, providing 20 plus years of legal management and operations solutions to lawyers and law firms. I recently took on a side job or main job as the regional administrative manager of an Am 200 Law Firm Offit Kurman in Los Angeles. And because I have nothing else to do in my spare time, I am an active member of the ABA Law Practice Division, where I sat on numerous committees and chaired several different committees. And lo and behold, I thought a couple of years ago, I guess when I was last year vice chair, I’m like, hmm, TECHSHOW, I’m very fascinated and always been excited about legal technology and operations and making law firms run smoothly. So I was like, this is a board I need to chair. So lo and behold, I’m here this year with my co-chair Sofia, affectionately known as Coco. You will hear that term if you’re in Chicago, you will hear it. We are in it to win it. We are going to have an exciting time and we’re just looking forward to talking to you today and giving you a preview of what’s coming. When is it? February 2024.

Sharon D. Nelson: It’ll be here before you know it. Sofia, why don’t you tell us a little bit about yourself and how you got involved with ABA TECHSHOW.

Sofia Lingos: I was a new young attorney. I’d started my own practice, and I really was excited about the idea of how you could do things in a better way. And I also had the privilege of creating a law practice management course at Northeastern University School of Law, and this adjunct position did not come with conference fees.

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And so as a new young attorney, it was a little bit of a stretch, but I had heard such amazing things about this ABA TECHSHOW conference, you must attend, and so I did. And it was absolutely amazing. Every single thing from the moment you walked into all the notes that I still look back on and a fun side story that Sharon may or may not remember, but there’s also a thing that back then was called “Dine Arounds”, and nowadays we call it “Taste of TECHSHOW”. And Sharon Nelson, which is a big deal, had invited me to her dine around. And unbeknownst to anyone in my family, I was very newly pregnant and very sick. They’d make it to TECHSHOW was a really big deal. And I was so excited about this dine around experience and I called this Sharon Nelson and I said, thank you so much for having me and this is incredibly awkward, but I am in my room. I am incredibly sick. I’m so sorry to take up a space at your dine around, but I’m not going to make it. And I’m now telling you before my family, I am actually pregnant.

And Sharon Nelson happens to be one of the first people in the world, besides my cheese guy, who just figured it out when I was inquiring about what types of cheese one might or might not eat, was the first one at TECHSHOW because of the dine around experience. And back then, Sharon, again, I don’t know if you remember this, but it gave me such kind words of advice and encouragement and I was so overwhelmed. And that’s just a really great example about the relationships you form again. Now here I am as TECHSHOW chair, something I could have never imagined, that first year where I was scrapping together money to be able to afford to attend a conference out of town. And it’s not just the valuable experiences that you have in each of the sessions, but also the relationships you make. And now, as chair, I’m also now on the podcast with you. So just full, full circle.

Sharon D. Nelson: I always knew you were a very special lady, and I’m glad that everything worked out so well for you. I did feel bad for you, feeling so badly, but it was totally understandable. And it’s been nice to have a friendship that’s lasted for so many years, as we all have done with people that we know from TECHSHOW.

Jim Calloway: Sofia, you’re not the only one who ended up confessing some of your personal secrets to Sharon. It’s a talent of hers. I just want you to know.

Sofia Lingos: You told her too, Jim, about your first pregnancy? My goodness.

Jim Calloway: Okay, Cynthia, this is what we call a softball question. Why don’t you tell our audience what ABA TECHSHOW is and why they should attend?

Cynthia Thomas: Well, if you don’t know, you’re going to know now. Basically, ABA TECHSHOW is more than just a conference and an expo. It is one of the most highly and most anticipated events that takes place each year in the lovely City of Chicago. It’s going to be exciting this year. But for those who really don’t know, let me just tell you. It’s not just a conference, it’s a gathering spot in real life where lawyers and legal professionals and legal tech enthusiasts, they come together, they unite, they explore and talk about the latest practical, cutting edge technologies designed to enhance the practice of law. And so this year, we’re gearing up for the 39th annual TECHSHOW in 2024, February to be exact, starting on the Day of Love, Valentine’s Day. And this is going to be a really fantastic show because we’re going to take everything that we’ve learned in the past 38 years, and we are going to fast forward it into really coming to you with the future. And providing you with top notch quality education that allows attorneys for those of us who live in these CLE State to not only gather and meet with your colleagues, but you can get MCLE credit, which is very important for a lot of us when we’re trying to scrap up money and get our firms to pay for us to attend. So for those young attorneys, this the perfect opportunity to come to TECHSHOW. And like I said, it’s really where everyone just comes together and they just join and talk about legal technology and have the captivating discussions that surrounds the practice of law and where the law is headed today. Because there is so much has changed in the last 38 years since we started, and we’re just going to continue talking discussions and taking it further in 2024.

Sharon D. Nelson: Well, that sounds wonderful, but tell us — it’s your chance now, Sofia. Tell us who should attend ABA TECHSHOW.

Sofia Lingos: Everyone should be attending TECHSHOW. No, but honestly, anyone practicing or interested in the law, law students, academics, law clerks, judges. In fact, we have a judge on our board this year, which means litigators. We’ve got great litigators on our board who are making sure that there is amazing litigation tracks. I’m a transactional attorney. I can’t imagine not being there with all the changes that are taking place from a technology standpoint.

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Doesn’t matter firm size; small firms, big firms, medium sized firms. Regardless of your role in the firms, if you’re a sole practitioner, if you’re going out on your own, not just as going out from maybe getting out of law school, but maybe you’re leaving a firm and you want to do your own thing. Definitely law firm leaders, people who are making decisions on behalf of their firms, buyers on behalf of their firms, technologists, and also don’t forget about legal tech entrepreneurs. We have a really cool, rich environment of legal tech individuals. We have a thing called Startup Alley, which gives people the ability to apply. In fact, right now, you can go and see if you can qualify to take part in our startup pitch, which is on Wednesday. And those individuals actually get free booth space if you are a winner, which is a really cool thing, along with a number of other perks. But it’s a great opportunity for legal tech entrepreneurs to network. Or maybe you’re just a lawyer who’s always thought that you might have a legal tech solution. And so this is definitely the place for you to come and be able to network and pick people’s brains and learn everything that you need to know about what’s going on in the world, what’s coming up in the world, and how you can incorporate legal technology into the practice of law.

Jim Calloway: Cynthia, what else can attendees expect this year at ABA TECHSHOW?

Cynthia Thomas: Well, like Sofia sums it up, we are going to have so much fun and it’s going to be an invigorating experience. So starting the opening with the startup competition, it’s going to be an amazing event where you can learn about a lot of the new cutting edge companies that are out there providing legal solutions to help us practice law in these — I call them challenging times because things are just ever so moving so quickly. We need to provide access to justice and things of that nature and just make sure that everyone has that opportunity to. If you’re a lawyer, be able to practice law and service your clients in the most efficient manner, or if you are a legal entrepreneur, be able to converse with other legal tech gurus. We put a lot of time and effort into this show this year. We had so many submissions from various esteemed colleagues and faculties throughout the US, and even outside of the US who wanted to speak at this event.

And so this year the sessions are going to be rich and dynamic. We’re going to have tons of MCLE sessions, a plethora of after party fun, events and dinners. So the learning just doesn’t stop during the day, the learning continues at night. And I just don’t want to tell you too much about it because we have a lot more to tell you when I talk about the evening sessions, which is going to be so fun and dynamic. But really, all the attendees are going to really come away this year is with, I like to say, not only a wealth of knowledge, they’re going to walk away with new friendships, new colleagues, an action plan to go which is really going to help you leave a conference and be able to implement some of the things that you learned at a conference, which oftentimes you don’t often get that when you attend other conferences, you get a lot of — I call it the high overview of what’s happening in the legal world. But how does that relate to you? Come to TECHSHOW and you’re going to find ways to implement and make the things that you learn and witness and experience relatable to your law firm the very next day you walk back into your office.

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Sharon D. Nelson: Welcome back to The Digital Edge on the Legal Talk Network. Today, our subject is ABA TECHSHOW 2024 – A Preview from the Co-Chairs. Our guests today are the co-chairs of ABA TECHSHOW 2024.

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Cynthia Thomas is the proprietor of PLMC & Associates, a consultancy firm specializing in law firm management. The company excels in providing expert guidance on human resources and financial and operations management specifically tailored to the needs of small and medium sized firms. Cynthia is also the regional manager at Offit Kurman, an Am Law 200 law firm located in Los Angeles.

Sofia Lingos is the founding and managing attorney of Trident Legal, a Boston based law firm that provides innovative transactional legal services to small businesses, entrepreneurs, and startups in diverse industries throughout all stages of growth. Sofia also teaches law practice management and access to justice at Northeastern University School of Law and has served as the director of the Community Business Clinic and teaches law practice technology at Chase College of Law.

All right, Sofia. So is there anything new this year that we should be very excited about?

Sofia Lingos: So we have a lot of new speakers this year, which is incredibly exciting, and we were lucky to have so many amazing submissions. It was a really hard decision to figure out who was going to speak this year, but we were really looking at topics, timely topics, relevant topics, things that are happening right now. And so from a topical standpoint, you really want to be here to learn all the new things. This year, we’re really working to build the TECHSHOW experience, and we’re curating these experiences for the individual attendees. So we’re going to be assisting you in labeling and determining who you are. We’re building out tags so you can be thinking through what you’re looking to find, and hopefully that will help you navigate all the exciting things that are taking place. Next year is a big 40, and so we’re making sure to bring back favorites like 60 and 60. We’re definitely including more hands-on workshops. We were looking at the feedback that has been provided over many years to make sure that you’re walking away with something tangible.

We will be organizing a group to provide some national guidance on the emerging field of artificial intelligence, similar to what we did last year with regards to different practice areas. We’re always focusing on lawyer wellness. There’s going to be a lot of fun that’s going to be taking place, and we’re actually creating a workbook that’s going to help everyone strategically navigate TECHSHOW. And so it’s going to be something that you will receive in advance. It’s going to be available through the app, it’ll be available online, and it’s something that we hope that you take an opportunity to kind of fill out as you go through your days. And then we’re going to actually have a workshop to digest that all on Saturday. So there’s going to be lots of opportunities for networking, figuring out how to grow your practice, looking at all these new tech tools. Never forget how much is going on. Downstairs in the expo hall, we have some really amazing people who are going to be showcasing all the new things that are coming out on their end. So, yeah, there’s a lot of new things that you should be excited about this year.

Jim Calloway: What happens during the evenings after all the sessions are complete, Cynthia? If you can tell us.

Cynthia Thomas: Of course, Jim. Most certainly. So after all the sessions, yes, you may be tired because you would have received so much information. And we know sometimes you go to conferences and first thing you want to do is head back to your room, check your email, maybe have a drink or dinner or go to sleep. But no, you cannot do that because if you do that, you are going to totally miss out on all the excitement because the learning doesn’t stop during the daytime. When the daytime sessions conclude, the learning does not stop. Evenings is where the real fun begins. So you can choose to join one of the diner arounds at the Taste of TECHSHOW dinners, where you can have lively, engaging conversations about what else other than legal tech. And I would not have imagined, but many, many years ago when I first attended, I’m like, okay, this is not going to be fun. I mean, I talk about legal tech all day long, how much more fun can it be? But when you have likeminded people who are so involved and so immersed with all the different technology, it’s like being a kid in a candy store. It’s like, oh my gosh, there’s others like me that get me who are really passionate about it. So, yes, the dinners, not only do we have as, the ABA, we have our Taste of TECHSHOW, but a lot of our exhibit hall vendors are going to be sponsoring parties. So, yes, the nights are going to be brimming with excitement, engaging in conversations about all things legal, legal tech, AI, the future of law, all the things that when you’re amongst some of your other colleagues outside the legal tech industry, they’re looking at you like you’re a little techie. But no, this is the time where we can really shine and have a vibrant evening of gatherings and conversations.

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And these conversations, they don’t just stop when TECHSHOW is complete, they continue on. And some of the greatest relationships that I have experienced over my course of years have come from hanging out after the sessions at TECHSHOW. So definitely want to make sure you do not hit that hotel elevator and go back to your room, but grab a cup of coffee and head out for a night of evening of fun.

Sharon D. Nelson: It sounds like a blast. Sofia, I’ll bet you there are some people out there who are wondering. Do attendees need to arrive by Wednesday and stay through Saturday? Is that an imperative?

Sofia Lingos: He recommended. So we’re giving you advanced notice. You have officially 111 days, 23 hours, 28 minutes. And as of right now, 50, 49, 48 seconds. But there is a lot that’s going on, so why? Let’s talk the show. So when you arrive on Wednesday, don’t forget it’s Chicago. It’s a vibrant city. Bring your family, bring your kids. There’s so much to do. We will definitely be building some stuff up on the website, so if there’s other people who are coming with you or if you do other things but as Cynthia just mentioned, there are from when you get up until you go to bed, things for you to do as a participant of the conference. On Wednesday evening starting at 5:00, we have the Startup Alley pitch. This started off as something small. Now we’ve had to move it because it’s so well attended. It’s so exciting. This is where we get to hear about the people who are creating these tools and technologies, what the future of legal technology is really going to look like. And so I highly recommend that you get there in time for the Startup Alley pitch.

From there, you get to go downstairs and the vendors open up. The vendor reception begins. You get to start collecting your swag. You can pick up your passport for prizes, start moving around and really getting a lay of the land about where the vendors are located and figuring out who you want to visit. The vendor hall is a big part of the experience, and you really want to have a plan and not miss out. We kick off Thursday morning pretty early. If you’re a yogi or if you’re not a yogi and you just want to come and take a few group breaths, I recommend that you join us for Thursday morning yoga. We have breakfast available, and we’re going to be kicking off the actual conference speakers with a futures welcome panel talking about where we’re going within the law. We get into our sessions, we have lunch, we have vendor breaks. And that evening, as part of the conference, we’re going to have the Taste of TECHSHOW dinners. And so that gets us through Thursday.

Both Thursday and Friday evening, we’re also going to have a little bit of an after party. We’ll be providing more information about what that looks like on the website.

If yoga is not your speed, maybe the 5K is on Friday morning. Again, you can walk, you can run. And I hear there might be free t-shirts on. t-shirts are a big thing. There are a few available last year at TECHSHOW. And so if you get up on Friday morning to run the 5K, there is a board member who I believe is trying to make sure that you’re going to qualify for one of those free t-shirts. So your 5K, followed by breakfast, we’re going to have a really amazing keynote speaker. Stay tuned to hear who that person is going to be. Lots and lots of sessions to fill your day. It’s going to be hard to choose. We have eight different sessions happening at the same time for every single block of time. I personally don’t even know which ones I’m going to attend. I didn’t even know if I wanted to speak because I was like, but if I’m speaking during this session, I’d really want to go see this person. And so I don’t know how you’re going to make your decision, but lots of amazing people. Vendor breaks. We’re going to have the Artificial Intelligence Lawyering Task Force. That evening is the big celebration of TECHSHOW. Huge party. You stay Friday night, you’re going to have a lot of fun. And then waking up on Saturday morning for 60 and 60, we’re going to have action plans to go. That’s where we’re really going to be taking that workbook and helping you figure out how you’re going to use all of your new knowledge after you leave TECHSHOW in your practice. So yes, from when you arrive on Wednesday until you leave on Saturday or maybe stay through the whole weekend, you should definitely try and make it for the entire conference.

Jim Calloway: What should attendees know if it is their first-time attending ABA TECHSHOW, Cynthia?

Cynthia Thomas: Well, if it’s your first-time attending, you are definitely in great hands because the ABA TECHSHOW family, we are welcoming and inviting. So once you arrive, the moment you step through the door, you’re going to be welcomed with a warm welcome with our concierge. And we’re going to make sure not only is your visit is informative, but you’re going to have a lot of fun. So unlike sometimes when you go to other conferences or other events and you have that new attendee ribbon and you’re like, oh my gosh, now everyone knows I’m not part of the group. Not a problem here. You’re going to be welcomed by some of our ABA former TECHSHOW chairs who are diehards. They are going to love and just love to talk with these individuals and make them very welcome and show them the lay of the land as well as some of our LP active members.

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Once again, we are a very tight knit group and we love welcoming new people and getting new colleagues to be able to talk about and share our experiences over the last 30 plus years of legal tech and to continue this relationship as things go and navigate throughout the entire show. One thing that new attendees can also look forward to is having someone to assist them and just navigating. This person will be able to ask questions and make sure they feel right at home. And by the time Saturday rolls around, these new attendees are going to have so much fun with their new family members and obtain so much knowledge. It’s just going to be one of those things where it’s like so sad to go because although I just met you, I cannot wait till next year or the 40th and come back again, because that is what TECHSHOW is all about. It’s the community that is created. We welcome everyone and we want to make sure that you have a great time because I cannot count the number of people that I was like, oh my gosh, I haven’t seen you in x number of years and where do I see them each year? At the ABA TECHSHOW.

So definitely have things for the new attendees as well as those who have diehards and come time and time again and I’m sure you’re going to be there, right, Jim?

Jim Calloway: You bet it. I’m excited about speaking at TECHSHOW this year. Before we move on to our next segment, let’s take a quick commercial break.

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Sharon D. Nelson: Welcome back to The Digital Edge on the Legal Talk Network. Today, our subject is ABA TECHSHOW 2024 – A Preview from the Co-Chairs. Cynthia Thomas is the proprietor of PLMC & Associates, a consultancy firm specializing in law firm management. The company excels in providing expert guidance on human resources and financial and operations management, specifically tailored to the needs of small and medium sized law firms.

Sofia Lingos is the founding and managing attorney of Trident Legal, a Boston based law firm that provides innovative transactional legal services to small businesses, entrepreneurs, and startups in diverse industries throughout all stages of growth. So, Sofia, is there a theme for this year’s TECHSHOW.

Sofia Lingos: We found that we’re really focusing on that’s so ripe for disruption within the legal industry is artificial intelligence. So you’re going to see a lot of things that are titled AI. Make sure you read the entire description, because AI is coming up in so many different areas of the practice. There’s a lot of opportunity for us to figure out how AI is going to continue to be regulated and what the next role of AI within our profession is. So, AI is something that you’re going to see very thematically throughout TECHSHOW this year.

Jim Calloway: With so many different legal tech conferences, why should one go to ABA TECHSHOW, Cynthia?

Cynthia Thomas: Well, Jim, I am so glad you asked me that, because there are a lot of tech conferences brimming now. And with the amount of technology conferences out there, attendees are looking to see where can they spend their tech dollars? But the ABA TECHSHOW is definitely one you should not miss. I mean, come on. For 38 years, we’ve been doing this, so we know a little bit about a legal tech. And actually, we have been like — I would like to call us the forerunners because we have been copied. People are trying to emulate us. But no. The ABA TECHSHOW is designed, starting with our board. We have a diverse board of not only practicing attorneys, we have judges, we have educators, we have people who are involved in developing legal tech. So it’s not only from our board, but it stems into our panel, where we took a lot of time over our summer retreat, gathering and going through numerous submissions to make sure we have a diverse panel of faculty to speak to the TECHSHOW attendees.

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And these are well-known figures in the legal tech realm, practicing attorneys, judges, legal educators. So this diverse group is going to provide content developed for practicing lawyers, those who are involved in legal management and tech decisions, and those who are in the legal technology space arena, where they’re just creating new content and new technology for the practice of law. So definitely, it’s a standout committee and a standout panel, and it is one of the forerunners, and I would like to say it is a standout show, so you definitely do not want to miss it.

Sharon D. Nelson: Well, we sure want to thank you for joining us today, Cynthia and Sofia. Jim and I, of course, are past TECHSHOW chairs, and we couldn’t be more enthused about ABA TECHSHOW each year as it comes along, and your enthusiasm is absolutely infectious. Thank you for sharing it with us.

Cynthia Thomas: Well, thank you so much.

Sofia Lingos: Thank you, Sharon and Jim, so much. And please save the date, February 14 through the 17th. We hope to see you all in Chicago.

Sharon D. Nelson: And that does it for this edition of The Digital Edge Lawyers and Technology. And remember, you can subscribe to all of the editions of this podcast at legaltalknetwork.com or on Apple Podcasts. And if you enjoyed our podcast, please rate us on Apple Podcast.

Jim Calloway: Thanks for joining us. Goodbye, Ms. Sharon.

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