Legal Tech Genius & Real Housewives of Miami Star Reveals the Secrets to Successful Relationships (Business Professional Ones, That Is)

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It’s Legal Toolkit with Jared Correia, with guest Jody Glidden. We take a dive into the world of reality TV and then maybe we’ll pivot that into revisiting the 1998 film. The Truman Show. Yep. Still holds up. But first, your host. Wait, 26 years old, God damnit, I mean Jared Correia.

Jared Correia:

It’s time for the Legal Toolkit podcast where it’s always an endless summer. And yes, it’s still called Legal Toolkit podcast, despite the fact that I don’t know what a nail gun even is. Wait, yes, I do. A nail gun is a gun that chews nails. Look at that. I’m basically a fucking carpenter over here.I’m your host Jared Correia. You’re stuck with me because Andy Cohen was busy on Bravo recapping a real Housewife’s episode during which someone probably overturned a table or some shit. I’m the CEO of Red Cave Law Firm Consulting, a business management consulting service for attorneys and bar associations. Find us [email protected]. Now, before we get to our interview today about how AI can be used for professional networking. Yes, we’re about that. AI should, again, I wanted to take a moment to discuss the New Beach Boys documentary on Disney plus. My dad was pretty much great at anything he tried his hand at.

He had this innate ability to just pick things up. He was, as they say, a natural. He was just so smooth in everything he did everything he tried, it looked like he’d been doing it for years. One thing I remember about him was that he had this thing where he played on a softball team. Of course, they won like eight city championships in a row or something like that, but he would never wear a hat. People would ask him to wear a hat in the field. He didn’t. People would tell him to wear a hat in the field. He wouldn’t. They fined him. He paid the fine. Eventually everybody just gave up except for him, the Hatless guy on the softball field. So I have this vivid memory of my dad from when I was a kid of him tracking fly balls in left field.

So he always played left field and he batted third. That’s the spot for the best hitter in the lineup, of course. And his hair is just flowing in the wind as the inevitably catches up to the ball, it makes the catch. I mean, of course, this was all part of the plan. I think that’s why he didn’t wear a hat. That’s why he grew his hair out. So we could look like some kind of lying on the Savannah tracking his prey. Now, my dad, in addition to being a fantastic athlete, professional level, soccer player, city champion, candle pin, bowling, et cetera, he was also a great drummer. Sometimes he’d leave for work and say, find me a really difficult drum piece to play and when I come home, I’ll listen to it once and I’ll play it back for you. And he could do that.

And every time I was like, I’m going to get him this time, sometimes he didn’t even have to hear the song all the way through. He’d just start playing along like it was instinct. So one day I found this Phil Collins song that’s just drums, no vocals. I believe they call that an instrumental. Now I don’t play drums, but it sounded like it was really hard to play. It was called Saturday Night and Sunday Morning, and it was off the Butt seriously album from 1989. And I was like, I got this fucker Now. He’s never going to be able to play this. So he comes home, sits down as the drum kid, and asks me what I’ve got. So I start playing this song and he just fucking nails it like five seconds in even anticipates a tempo change. And when he’s done, he’s staring back at me with this toothy grin and I was like, I don’t want to play this game anymore.

So I lied, I guess I do play the drums like every kid. I wanted to be like my dad. So when I was home by myself, I would listen to his records. I’d get various paint cans from the basement and set them up like a drum kit in front of me on the floor before I could reach the actual drum kit. And so I would wa away on the tops of these paint cans with his drumsticks. There were two bands I would always listen to when I was playing my makeshift drums, the Monkeys, because Mickey Dolans was a boss, drummer, and lead singer. That’s every drummer’s dream, right? And the Beach Boys. The Beach Boys are probably the greatest American band ever. Harmonies like Butter. Every note skillfully crafted Brian Wilson, a musical genius. The Beach Boys Pop Your Eyes, what is known as the California Myth.

It’s always sunny, but not too hot. You’re hanging out on the beach surfing, chatting of the ladies, driving around in some custom car that you’ve souped up. That seemed like perfection to me when I was eight years old. And so the Beach Boys crafted the sound of perfection to my mind. And man, that drumbeat at the beginning of Catch A Wave is where it’s at. That’s my favorite Beach Boys song, by the way. Plus their drummer’s name was Dennis, and that was my dad’s name, man, even today, I could throw on one of their early capital recordings, close my eyes and sing along to every word of every song. So as you might imagine, with all this emotional baggage tied up into it, I was pretty keyed up when I found out that a Beach Boys documentary was coming to Disney Plus this summer. I mean as if it could release at any other time.

So I thought Disney and Peter Jackson did a really nice job with the Beatles Get Back documentary, which I’ve reviewed on this podcast before. And then the Eagles documentary history of the Eagles that came out about 10 years ago. That’s also amazing. Those documentaries worked so well for at least a couple of reasons. First, they got deep. I mean, get Back was fucking eight hours long. Second, they don’t pull any punches. These were not glorified commercials for the band. They went into excruciating detail about all the shitty stuff that went down, including all the shitty stuff that the members of the band did to each other. Now the Beach Boys documentary, that was terrible. It was a two hour commercial for the concept of the Beach Boys, like the fun surf band rather than, I don’t know, an actual analysis of the group’s members and their interactions with each other as well as those in the band’s orbit.

I’m not trying to be a pretentious asshole here. It’s hard for me when I say that. I would very happily watch an eight Hour Get Back style documentary about the making of Pet sounds. Brian Wilson’s Magnum Opus, the Schlock, however that was just released is so vapid, it’s embarrassing. So before I go further in talking about why I disliked this documentary, so very much, lemme give you a brief rundown on the story of The Beach Boys. If you don’t know it, and maybe I’m saving you some time and watching this terrible, awful documentary. There’s five main members of the band, Brian Dennis and Carl Wilsons are all brothers. Murray Wilson, their dad is their manager. He’s kind of a failed songwriter in his own right. And then Mike Love is in the band. He’s their cousin and he’s their lead singer and sometime lyricist. He wrote a small part of Good Vibrations.

Al Jardine is a friend and he provides vocals. That’s the band, Brian, Dennis, Carl, Mike, and Al. Now Murray Wilson is kind of a shit bird and he abuses all three of his sons. He’s kind of like Joe Jackson with the Jackson five, Brian Wilson, which I think a lot of people know. He’s later diagnosed with what’s called Schizoaffective disorder, which is a bad deal. Like he experiences hallucinations, he’s depressed, paranoid, he’s subject to manic episodes. Plus he’s got this history of physical and emotional abuse with his dad who’s involved in his life at every level personally at war. If you want a deeper dive into Brian Wilson, check out this 2014 movie called Love and Mercy that starts, Paul Dano is young, Brian Wilson and John Cusack is older, Brian Wilson, which also focuses on yet another abusive relationship he experienced later in life with his psychologist and guardian Eugene Landy.

But with all that stuff going on, Brian is really a savant. He’s a straight up musical genius. The Beach Boys early recordings are sort of simplistic pop tunes lyrically, but the melodies are great, as are their harmonies. They get really popular in the early sixties and they start to tour. But Brian doesn’t do well on tour, as you might expect given his mental condition. And after having what’s described in the documentary as a nervous breakdown on a flight to Houston in 1964, he pulls the plug and he doesn’t want to tour anymore. So that point on the rest of the band tours initially, by the way, with Glenn Campbell replacing Brian Wilson, yes, that Glenn Campbell, the Rhinestone Cowboy guy. Brian stays back in California and he’s just working in the lab. So he loves Phil Specter’s Wall of Sound. God speaking of the tragic story, Phil Specter, right?

But he improves on the production techniques and he creates an album called Pet Sounds that is a sonic masterpiece and maybe the best pop album of all time. So the Touring Beach Boys come back, lay down the vocals. But Brian’s employed this famous group of session musicians, the most famous group of session musicians ever called The Wrecking Crew, and they basically play all the instruments. PE sounds was something of the Beach Boys’ response to the Beatles’ rubber soul. Well, really Brian’s response and it’s revolutionary, Paul McCartney says about the album, this is the album of all time. What are we going to do now? And Mike Love says that McCartney called God only knows the perfect song, which it may actually be now, but PE Sounds the problem is, is it’s not as commercially successful as a prior Beach Boys material. So Capitol Records is out there releasing a Beach Boy’s greatest Hits album in competition with pest sounds and promoting that instead, while flooding the UK market with previously unreleased Beach Boys records, which are sound like haw cakes, so they’re not into the new sound.

Brian’s working alone, the touring band’s not into the new sound, but Brian continues to work through anyway this time around the next time he’s focusing on completing a single song at a time. And so the single that’s produced from that session is Good Vibrations. This is a song you definitely know. It’s another all timer. It may actually be the best single ever released. I think it takes him three months to record Good Vibrations at a time when it took two weeks to record pop song, or maybe two days, actually, it might’ve even less than that. So the idea for Good Vibrations is it’s going to go on the next album, which is supposed to be called Smile, but the Smile album never sees the light of day. It’s scrapped due to a whole host of reasons, including Brian’s mental health issues and the lack of support from the record label and his band mates, the touring band.

They effectively want to do the same old surf music, what people like, at least that’s what they think people will like and continue to. Sadly, they’re mistaken. In the documentary, there’s a clip of Brian saying that he shelved Smile because it wasn’t for the Beach Boys, which was kind of the point. And that is sort of the end of the Beach Boys as a relevant musical group. They released an album called Smiley Smile Instead. God, that’s terrible. As Brian takes a step back, it’s a group effort. It can’t really touch pet sounds. It’s sort of a silly record. It indulges in all the worst things that the Beach Boys do. And then you’ve got good vibrations sitting in the middle of this album as a massive outlier and a reminder of what could have been. Now earlier in 1967, the Beach Boys had turned down the chance headline, the Monterey Pop Festival, which would become this counterculture touchstone.

And now they’re even less cool than they were already, because after that, the Beach Boys are in the passing lane on the highway to obscurity until Capitol Records releases endless Summer in 1974. This is yet another greatest hits collection of Early Beach Boys Tunes and everybody loves them. They catch on again basically. And so from here on Out the Beach Boys are a nostalgia act with a blip in popularity. In 1988, when Mike loves Empty, Kokomo Track becomes the number one hit after it’s featured in Tom Cruise’s cocktail movie. Naturally Kokomo plays out this wretched excuse for documentary. So if all you knew about the Beach Boys was what you saw in this documentary, there’s a law you will have missed. For one thing, it would not be completely obvious to you that Mike Love is possibly the most butt hurt individual on the planet and lost to Beach Boys fans hate him.

I don’t know that Mike Love is a straight up villain, but yeah, he can be a dick for sure. His ego probably destroyed the potential of the Beach Boys as much as Brian’s mental illness did. He thought he was Paul McCartney to Brian Wilson’s, John Lennon when he was more like the Liam Gallagher to Brian’s Knoll Gallagher. If Mike Love wasn’t always trying to sideline Brian to claim his own, share the Genius Pie, and instead intermittently collaborated on songs, maybe just sang them and went on tour to support the records, the Beach Boys would’ve had a pretty good chance to be the American Beatles. He should have functioned like Roger Daltry and the Who while Brian took on the Pete Townson role as the creative force of the experience. And I think it’s kind of hard to argue that Mike Love was a more negative force than Brian’s own dad, who not only abused him, but also sold his song catalog.

The most important thing he owned right out from under him and Mike Love when he saw the demand hit a dip in popularity. Mike love’s best attribute was probably that he was the most sane and put together person in the band. He was just a dude who constantly overplayed his hand. So in this documentary, I would’ve liked to have heard a whole lot less from Mike Love in these recent retrospective interviews. It was also annoying that the filmmakers brought in all these other jab brownies who were in and out of the band after Brian left. Who wants to hear from these assholes? At one point something nobody was like, Brian was lucky to have the vocalist. Nope. You were lucky, infinitely luckier to be able to work with Brian Wilson. Please, man, what worked with the Beatles documentary was that it was all archival footage, so there was only real time interactions and there wasn’t any room for spin.

I would love to see a Beach Boys documentary of that sort. I mean, if enough footage exists, one thing I was also surprised by was how little coverage was devoted to Dennis Wilson. Remember, he’s the drummer, he’s the middle brother. Carl Wilson was the youngest. He kind of took over the band with Mike Love after Brian receded into the background. Dennis Wilson, that dude lived crazy ass life too, and he was really the only member of the band who was an actual beach boy who actually hung out at the beach and stuff. So people talk about how Charles Manson used the Beatles white album and the song Helter Skelter in particular, to whip up his followers into a frenzy as he pre-staged this violent race war that he wanted to happen. But Dennis Wilson was actually in California at the time, hanging out with Charles Manson. He wasn’t in the Manson family or anything like that, but he introduced Manson to record producers and he even got the beach voice to release one of Manson’s songs as a B-side.

Yes, Charles Manson was a frustrated singer songwriter. Now that’s covered in documentary. What isn’t is that Dennis also starting the Cult Classic movie, two Lane Blacktop alongside James Taylor or also isn’t Covered is his rampant drug use. I’ll come back in a second. Neither does the documentary cover his solo albums, which performed better than the Beach Boys output when they were released. He also recorded separately from the Beach Boys with Brian, which generated a bootleg album called Appropriately The Cocaine Sessions. Brian had some drug issues too. Yeah, maybe that’s not Disney plus content though. Dennis Wilson’s life ended tragically right before he passed away, he had been homeless and he drowned in 1983 in attempt to retrieve some of his ex-wife’s things that he had thrown into the ocean when they had divorced years before. And that’s something of a microcosm for what happened to the Beach Boys and their fans over the last six decades trying to recover what had been lost to no avail.

So what’s been lost? I think the biggest issue with the documentary is that it wasn’t focused on the real story of the beach voice, which to me is ultimately the tragedy of Brian Wilson. He’s his true musical genius cut down in his prime by lots of factors, many of which were beyond his control. And those smile sessions are really the turning point for everything. I truly believe that if Brian Wilson had been able to complete the Smile album in the way that he had intended, the Beach Boys would’ve had a similar trajectory to The Beatles in which they innovated through the remainder of the 1960s, maybe pushing each other to even greater heights before maybe breaking up like the Beatles did after whatever would’ve been there Abbey Road. And I think that’s a preferable endpoint, honestly, when compared to the indignity of touring with fucking John Stamos.

But you know what they say, you can only smile at what could have been. Now that we’ve established that, my love still kind of sucks, in case you’d been wondering about that. We’ll next talk with Jody Glidden about the intersection between Biz dev and ai. Yes, there is one. But before we get to that interview, let’s hear a little something, something from our sponsors. Everybody. Let’s get to the meat in the middle of this legal podcasting. Sanders. Today’s Meat Nil, g Antelope. Haven’t heard of those. They’re the buries antelopes you’ll ever see and they proliferate in south Texas. They’re delicious as well. Alright, now let’s get to our guest interview today on the Legal Toolkit for his first ever appearance. We’ve got Jody Glidden, who’s the founder of Postilize, Jody man, welcome to the show. How you doing?

Jody Glidden:

Yeah, really good. Yeah, really nice to be on the show.

Jared Correia:

I appreciate you making the time for us. You’ve got this AI product, which I really like and I want to talk about that. But before we get there, can you give me a little bit on your background?

Jody Glidden:

Yeah, yeah, sure. So I got into computers when I was a little kid and I was just trying to figure out how I was going to do my career. At one point I thought I was going to be a lawyer. At one point I thought I was going to be a teacher. Someone ended up calling me and asking if I wanted to join a tech startup In the early nineties. I ended up joining. We ended up making that successful. It was called scholars.com and we sold it to the biggest e-learning company in the world. I then started my own tech startup after that. We sold that back to the same company in the late nineties. I then started another company called Chalk Media, which we sold to Blackberry in 2009.

Jared Correia:

Wait, Blackberry,

Jody Glidden:

Before the iPhone came out, we were one of the first applications for the Blackberry that was an enterprise application. Oh,

Jared Correia:

Sweet. That’s amazing.

Jody Glidden:

It was a lot of fun. And then I stayed with Blackberry for a year or two, did my time, and then came up with this idea for a company called Introhive, which a lot of people in the legal space probably know. It was one of the biggest software companies in the world. So I founded that. The idea behind Introhive was really to help figure out who in these large law firms or large accounting firms or consulting firms who everybody knew and how well they knew them so it could help ’em with business development. During the course of that, I met so many of the best rainmakers business development people and marketers in the legal space and learned so much during that time. I was CEO and founder of that company for 12 years. And so then when I left was just when generative AI was coming out and I had a million different ideas of how that whole industry could be turned over using generative ai. I thought, we don’t really need to be just giving people data we can actually be doing doing now.

Jared Correia:

Yes, Right.

Jody Glidden:

So it really got exciting and I started thinking about on the marketing side how we might be able to generate content for people, but do it in a way that it doesn’t sound like AI, where it’s kind of assisting the humans instead of just writing stuff. But I thought one of the biggest problems when I thought of some of the best rainmakers in the world, I thought they’re the people that are really personal. They’re the people that remember my kid’s birthday and they text me and call me, how’s Peyton doing and how’s this and that? They’re actually your friend and it’s genuine. And so I thought, what if we could start a company where we could make people scale in how far and wide they could go with the genuine communication that they have with their clients that are the most important clients for them?

Jared Correia:

Beautiful. That was a pretty good encapsulation. Okay, so can we walk this back a little bit? The intro hive thing I think is interesting. So you’ve had what I’m counting at least three exits. So you’re kind of a serial entrepreneur. So when the exit comes, are you like, let me just settle, figure out what I’m going to do next? Or are you always on fire with the next idea? It sounds like when the Introhive thing went down, you’re like, all right, AI came out. What can I do in this sandbox?

Jody Glidden:

Yeah. Well, when I was really young, when I was in my teens and early twenties, I actually had a book and I would wake up in the morning. I’d think, oh, I had a great idea, and I would write it down and I had this big book of ideas and I’d think this one now I I’m free again. Let’s do this one. I don’t really like that anymore. Now I thought my last one was going to be my last one. Generative ai, just kind of, I think it’s honestly going to be the biggest thing that’s happened in my lifetime probably.

Jared Correia:

Yeah, I mean, I don’t disagree. So you wanted to really jump in and take advantage of it.

Jody Glidden:

Yeah, I actually planned on starting a fund this time. I was going to maybe just do a fund and invest in tech startups so I could just have a bit of a different life.

Jared Correia:

But you’re back in just when you try to get out, that’s when they pull you back in. That’s right. Yeah.

Let’s talk about Postilize a little bit because I got a demo of the product and I really like it. And we don’t do sales pitches here. I think people know that, but I think it’s a really interesting use case. I want to talk a little bit about it at this point. I should probably say Melissa Rosinski, my friend, got me clued into what you’re doing. She’s going to be pissed off if I don’t mention her. So now we’ve checked that box. I think this is a super interesting use case for AI and one that I hadn’t seen before. Because you talked about you’re aggregating information, you’re drafting content. So could you give me some use cases for how it works? If I was a partner at a law firm, I’m a rainmaker, how does this make my life easier?

Jody Glidden:

Well, when I think of some of the best rainmakers in the world, there’s people out there that have, let’s say in the tech transaction space, like tech corporate law. There’s people out there that have no unicorns or one unicorn, and then there’s other people. There’s a guy, Mike Esquivel at Fenwick and West had, when I last spoke to him, had 30 some unicorns. It’s just outliers. And when you see how they work and act, it’s just completely at another energy level, a different level of closeness with clients. It’s pretty incredible. But he is the kind of guy that is constantly checking in. He constantly seems to remember everything. He seems to notice everything. He has a team of people around him, and I thought, how could we make a product that could kind of give people superpowers? And that’s really what, it’s really two elements to it. How do you notice everything that really matters? Like everything from noticing that somebody gets sued before they know they got sued and served

Jared Correia:

Right?

Jody Glidden:

Or noticing that somebody all of a sudden became wealthy and has maybe an estate planning issue before they even noticed it or even thought about it. There’s all kinds of these things that are events that matter, events that cause opportunities or events that could cause churn because we’ve all had these friends that were really important that we met during college or at other times that could have been very valuable contacts for us. And then first thing we realized, oh, it’s been two years since I spoke to that person. That’s what I think about the remembering part and the noticing part. And generative AI can help with that, but the other thing it can do is help with the ideation. It’s like, how do I get that conversation started?

Jared Correia:

So you were like, let me replicate what these avatars are doing in the community, in a technology system. Very clever.

Jody Glidden:

Except for that, we went at it from a point of view of I want to make sure that humanization is our first tenant because we’re dealing with the top top professionals. Some of these people bill out at a thousand, $1,500 an hour and their reputation is everything. And so it’s not about manufacturing as much content as possible. It’s about helping give people superpowers to be themselves, but more of it.

Jared Correia:

So within the system, I mean, folks can go to the website, check it out, they can get a demo. I’d encourage you if you’re interested to do that. This is sort of close in some ways to an autonomous agent. The system could collect data, make decisions, post things, send emails to people, and it could run in that fashion, right? Yeah,

Jody Glidden:

It could. Except for we don’t. Yeah, we don’t because we don’t

Jared Correia:

Working with, and lawyers are like, I want to check everything.

Jody Glidden:

Right? That’s right. That’s part of it. Having worked with lawyers, top partners and stuff like that for so many years, I realized that’s not really what they want. There’s a trust issue. There’s an integrity issue too. It’s like even if it replicated exactly what I would’ve did wasn’t really me. So really, I think it’s, it was a better model for us to not try to do that.

Jared Correia:

That’s fair. So if I’m using this, I basically get prompts, pun intended, to release things into the ether, right? So I get on the dashboard, I’m kind of like, okay, here’s something I could send out. Here’s another thing I could send out. And I’m basically just clicking through. Yes, yes. No, no, no. It’s just

Jody Glidden:

That easy. Or edit. Or edit and it will mimic your style. It will notice how you write, when you write what you write, what topics you like, what topics your customers are interested in, the relevant business events of your customers and everything else.

Jared Correia:

How is the setup on a system like this? What settings do I have access to? Can I change the tone in which things are written? Can I tweak the sensitivity of the data the system’s reacting to and collecting? How does that work? I feel like there’s a ton of different stuff you could do here. In theory,

Jody Glidden:

We tried to not write it for a tech person. No, we tried to write it for a 65-year-old.

Jared Correia:

Oh, Sure.

Jody Glidden:

That’s right. So

Jared Correia:

If you wrote it for a 65-year-old white dude sitting in an office, you’ve definitely hit the law firm market hard.

Jody Glidden:

So to give you an example of how that works, it measures something like 20 different elements of how people speak, whether it’s how concise they’re, how grammatically correct they’re, and everything else, whether they lean one way or another even. And so it’s sort of noticing how these people write and it will just mimic it. And if they edit it, it will notice that and it’s going to start to mimic that. So they don’t have to change any sliders or do anything. They just have to be themselves kind of like an email client. Let’s say if there was a system that was noticing how people were writing in Outlook behind these sliders, but they don’t ever have to see this. It’s kind of doing that true.

Jared Correia:

What I find is interesting in at least legal software, you’ve been in other industries, so you could tell me if this is the case in other industries, but I feel like when a new tool, this comes out, generative ai, everybody rushes to great back office technology first, let’s do contract drafting and let’s do legal research. And then the last thing to happen is front office technology, the kinds of stuff that you’re developing. Yeah. So do you see that as well? And then it sounds like you got in early and do you think there’s now going to be a wave of new technologies that use AI on the front office piece of a law firm?

Jody Glidden:

Yeah. Well, so last summer I went to legal week. That was the first conference that I went to with this company, and it was just shocked. It said AI everywhere. And so I thought, wow, there must be a lot of competitors. And I just walked ally after, sure,

Jared Correia:

There are not.

Jody Glidden:

And it was a hundred percent contract chin stuff, or it was e-discovery. We just saw so much of that. And then I realized, wow, this has just not been done yet. So now having said that, I remember back when I started IC Global, we had a learning management system and we were one of the first ones to create one for the enterprise. And then a year later, there was a Gartner and IDC report that came out and there were like 70 some. So I wouldn’t doubt that a bunch of copycats will come along behind and

Jared Correia:

Oh, sure, yeah,

Jody Glidden:

Will be that way. Absolutely. Always.

Jared Correia:

First mover advantage is always a good one to have though.

Jody Glidden:

Yeah, I mean, there’s millions of attorneys out there and accountants and consultants, and they can all use this sort of thing.

Jared Correia:

Now, one thing that’s great about building a software product is that you continually get to iterate on it. Yeah. Do you have new features that are coming in the near term that you can talk about without getting in trouble?

Jody Glidden:

Yeah, so one of the things that I’m pretty excited about, there’s really two. We had a big focus on trying to make the user experience actually fun. And so we have now created,

Jared Correia:

Not that it’s not fun right now. Go ahead. I had fun.

Jody Glidden:

We were hoping for not another web app that people had to go to, some console, even if it’s in Salesforce or one of the other CRMs, we thought, what if we could just make it so easy, just continue to simplify it. And so we have an iPhone app coming out that is just as easy as you’ll get a notification that there’s stuff that it’s done for you, and then you can just swipe right to approve, swipe left to reject. And it’s

Jared Correia:

Like Tinder for professional development,

Jody Glidden:

Like Tinder for professional development. Exactly.

Jared Correia:

I Love that.

Jody Glidden:

And it’s actually super fun and it’s very effective and very quick. So if somebody’s on the train in London or New York or Toronto or one of these big legal centers, I think it’s a good way to drive usage.

Jared Correia:

That’s really cool. Yeah.

Jody Glidden:

The second thing that we have coming up that’s pretty cool is we found a way to actually draft up even iMessages.

Jared Correia:

Oh, nice.

Jody Glidden:

For Me, most of my business relationships are kind of email or LinkedIn, mostly email, I would say. But the closest ones are iMessage. And so we’ve really worked hard on this, how to make sure that we could get that and still get the real iMessage experience and everything and think really good. The team did a really good job on that, so I’m excited to release that.

Jared Correia:

That’s interesting. So well, let me, I haven’t asked you this yet, so if I’m sending a message through the software, right, do I have the option to allow the software to talk back and forth with someone, or is that not available as

Jody Glidden:

Yet? Not yet, no.

Jared Correia:

Alright. Let me ask you, let’s get a little bit crazy. Let’s do one last question. So do you think there’s a point in time where autonomous robots are just networking with each other at some event while we’re sitting home in our pajamas? Or do you feel like the human part of the networking thing is so intrinsically tied in that we’ll never see that?

Jody Glidden:

I think that there will be probably no events, maybe someday where there’ll be,

Jared Correia:

Oh yeah, that’s a better way to look at it automated. But where would we send our robots? Sorry, go ahead.

Jody Glidden:

Where there’ll be automated buyers and automated sellers that will be figuring out what the most important prioritized needs are for you. Hunting for the thing, waiting until it exists, finding it and negotiating like procurement does. That’s probably a long way off, but it seems like

Jared Correia:

That maybe a little less long than we think. Yeah. Well I think the product is really cool. I think people should check it out, and I look forward to seeing what else you do with it. Jody, this is really good, despite the fact that I feel like I only talk about AI anymore ever. I feel like you put an interesting spin on the topic. Thank you. Now are you cool to hang around for one final segment? Yeah,

Jody Glidden:

Yeah, sure.

Jared Correia:

Alright, so people may not know this yet, but you’re on tv. We’re going to talk about that. Alright, everybody, we’ll take one final break so you can hear more about our sponsored companies and their latest service offerings. Then stay tuned as always, for the Rump Roast, it’s even more supple than the Roast Beast. Welcome back everybody. That’s right. Here we are again at the rear end of the Legal Toolkit. That’s right. It’s the Rump Roast. It’s a grab bag of short form topics. All of my choosing. Why do I get to pick? Because I’m the host. So today we’re going to talk about a subject that I know absolutely nothing about reality television. I’m kind of an og, bad reality television watcher. I didn’t like the first season of Survivor and I was pretty much done. Sorry everybody. So I’ve recruited some experts to come in and help me. First we’ve got Ally Kvidt who schedules guests for this very show, and we’ve also got Lindsey Egan, a family law attorney with whom I have consulted and known for years. Ally, how do you feel? Are you excited?

Ally Kvidt:

Yeah, I’m excited. I am a little nervous. Wasn’t expecting to be nervous, but something about a recorder. It just spikes the heart rate up a little bit,

Jared Correia:

Man, the bright lights. Lights are on now. Thank you for this might lead to a hosting gig at some point. Hang on. Yeah,

Ally Kvidt:

Maybe I’ll get my own show.

Jody Glidden:

I could see you. You on ours? There

Jared Correia:

You go. Oh, there you go. You just got your first invite. Beautiful.

Ally Kvidt:

Sign me up!

Jared Correia:

Lindsey. I know you have a busy schedule, so thanks for coming on. How are you doing?

Lindsey Egan:

I’m great, I’m excellent.

Jared Correia:

I kind of referenced this before, but Jody, who’s our guest, in addition to being a tech founder, is actually a cast member on Real Housewives of Miami, which is again, a show I’ve never seen, but I have Ally and Lindsey who are super fans. So he is dating Real Housewife, Lisa, and just in case you were unfamiliar, real Housewives is a television franchise from Bravo with American and international installments and spinoffs. Like I learned today. There’s like 30 shows, which is wild. So basically this follows the personal lives of affluent women from around the globe. So Jody, I’m going to turn things over to Lindsey and Ally and I hope you’ve got your helmet on though. They promised they’ll be kind to you. This should not be any worse than watch what happens live. Yeah. So I’m going to be quiet. Have you been on that by the way, or no?

Jody Glidden:

I’ve been on it twice. Yeah.

Jared Correia:

Really?

Jody Glidden:

Yeah.

Jared Correia:

How was Andy? Was he crazy?

Jody Glidden:

I mean, he’s super nice. He’s very nice.

Jared Correia:

He’s nice behind the scenes, right? And then he comes out and hammers you. Is that how it goes?

Jody Glidden:

Yeah. And you do your shot and all that. It’s a super fun environment, actually.

Jared Correia:

Cool. I I’m going to turn it over to you two. Give me 10 strong minutes of Real Housewives content and I’m going to go take a nap. Thank you.

Lindsey Egan:

Yeah, you got it. We were born to do this. This is like career highlight comment.

Ally Kvidt:

Yep. We’ve been waiting for this one.

Lindsey Egan:

So yeah, Lisa Hochstein Jared. You butchered her name. She’s

Jared Correia:

Known as the, I kind of thought I mispronounced it. Sorry, Jody, sorry.

Lindsey Egan:

She is the most fun, fashionable and honest. And I think also probably Ally, would you agree? One of the most self-deprecating housewives to ever hit Bravo?

Ally Kvidt:

Oh, for sure. For sure. She’s hilarious though. So we love her. Love her.

Jody Glidden:

I love that. I love that.

Lindsey Egan:

So Jody first trickled onto The Real Housewives I think in season five with the most hilarious subtitle under his first appearance as Gay Uncle Jody. Question Mark.

Ally Kvidt:

Question Mark,

Jody Glidden:

Right.

Lindsey Egan:

So we loved that. But we have a few questions for you and we’re just going to dive right in. I think the first one is we called this the fashion faux pa. So I want to bring up the matching outfits in season five, the Canadian tuxedos, ALA Brittany and Justin. So I guess my question is, is it because you guys are both Canadian that it was acceptable?

Jody Glidden:

So at that time, Lisa and I were not living together. We were living like five minutes apart. And so it just happened that I wore a jean shirt and jeans and then I went over to pick her up to go to the scene and she was wearing a jean dress, and then I thought I probably should change because this looks ridiculous. And she’s like, no, no, no, let’s do it. So we showed up like that and it was actually pretty funny.

Lindsey Egan:

It was excellent. I should also add that this was at a welcome home party Jared for someone’s boyfriend who had been out of town for 20 minutes. No lie. It was pretty awesome.

Jared Correia:

Alright, you’re going to make me want to watch this show. Keep going. I want to learn more. You need to watch it. You need to watch it. Yeah,

Jody Glidden:

Yeah, yeah. Marcus Jordan. So Michael Jordan’s son, Marcus was on the show, so he’s just gone away to I think Chicago or something like that for five days. And Lars had threw him a welcome home party and we were just kind of confused, but we attended.

Lindsey Egan:

So good. So good.

Jared Correia:

Can I just say Jody and Lisa sound like the most tres people that have ever been on this show in its entire existence?

Lindsey Egan:

Oh one hundo

Jared Correia:

100% after one. Okay. It was not Please proceed. Yeah,

Lindsey Egan:

We have some underrated moments we were thinking of here. And so Lisa has the nicest things everywhere to say about you at any times. And coming from someone that practices family law and also has a blended family myself, she was quoted as saying that your family’s blend well together and she’s even gone on vacation with your ex-wife, mind blown as a divorce attorney. So my question is, would you ever go on a vacation with Lisa’s ex?

Jody Glidden:

He and I don’t get along anymore, so I tried pretty hard to get along with him for about a year or so, and then it just became apparent as I continued to see he would put things in court filings that had nothing. You guys are in the legal industry, so if you just go back and read any of these court filings, you’ll see there’ll be some filing where he’s suing to try to get a waffle maker back or something like that. And then somewhere in the middle of there will be an accusation that Lisa broke up my marriage. Turns out I was not even married and wasn’t even dating anyone at the time, but just all these wild things that he would put in an unrelated motion because he knows that page six and all these people read these motions and they look for Lisa’s name and then sometimes the story will come out of it. So I would talk to him and talk to him and say like, Hey, can you just leave me out of this trying to be, I’m not even trying to be a reality person, honestly, I just happen to be dating Lisa and it got to the point where I really can’t try anymore with him.

Lindsey Egan:

Fair enough. I think that you and Lisa are such the prototype of an awesome reality couple, I guess if you will. So I see that you are both always hyping each other up on Instagram. So from the social perspective, how important is that to both of you?

Jody Glidden:

It was kind of new to me. I think when I met her I had a thousand followers or something like that. I didn’t really pay much attention to it the first time she started. There’s a thing in Instagram, like a collaborative where they link the post together. All of a sudden my Instagram just went crazy. And so I kind of have to pay attention to it now. I think it’s good though, you build an audience and it creates more opportunity for people to get to know you. And especially once you become public, you really can’t become nonpublic. And so getting a bit of your personality out there becomes more important because you don’t want people to just think whatever they see on TV is who you are. Especially when you’re somebody like me and I’m not trying to be any kind of main character or anything like that, Lisa, and I’ll do a date night or we do a night out with a couple people on the show and it gets captured. That’s not all of me. And so I think the more that we do podcasts like this or people are following right now because Lisa and I and the kids are on a trip to Toronto, it’s the first time she’s been back here to see her family in many, many years. I think that that helps because people get to know who we are beyond just the show.

Lindsey Egan:

Which side note, real Housewives for people listening had taken a hiatus for a very long time. And for us Bravo super fans we’re fricking stoked that it’s back. And it’s really awesome also to see Lisa to coming into our own skin and seeing her family on the show too. So

Jody Glidden:

Her family are amazing actually. So I met some people on this trip to Toronto. I’m in Toronto right now. I met her brother for the first time. He’s just such a nice guy. He was taking the kids on excursions and just really great guy. I’ve already spent quite a bit of time during the times that they would come down to visit with the mom and the aunt and they couldn’t be nicer people. And then we had Logan’s birthday last night. So yeah, we just love the family stuff. My daughter loves the family stuff too, and I think my daughter has kind of gotten pretty close with their kids, so it’s really good.

Lindsey Egan:

That’s awesome. Alright, let’s move into, what do you think, Ally? Should we do the plastic surgery confessional?

Ally Kvidt:

I was thinking let’s switch right into the poopourri.

Lindsey Egan:

Alright, do it.

Jared Correia:

You’ve got a Poopourri segment. Okay, go

Ally Kvidt:

It’s just kind of like a grab bag of questions that we have as super fans that we want to know. Sure,

Lindsey Egan:

Sure. So Jody hinted to it before, but we desperately need to know about said waffle maker. That has made so much press out there. So I guess my question is do you guys make waffles a lot? And how good is this waffle maker?

Jody Glidden:

I’ve never experienced the waffles. I didn’t expect it to be a controversial item to leave the house. It’s a $70 million mansion with three dining tables and I don’t know, nine bedrooms. I think. I don’t want to be sued by Lenny for it being eight bedrooms instead of nine bedrooms or something like that. But it’s approximately nine bedrooms and there were fights over which forks she should take or not take or should she have taken the waffle maker or not. We didn’t really think it was going to be controversial, but apparently it was very controversial. And then there’s a whole fight over artists love. One of the other things that Lisa’s known for is art. She’s been an art collector for many, many years, and you’ve probably seen on her Instagram, if you’ve been following her, promoting and showing off artists, she would post these things.

People gave her art. And even there’s lawsuits ongoing for art that she has artists saying like, Hey, we gifted this to her, and even that’s being sued to get it back. So really the whole thing is puzzling to me. I’m trying to stay out of it as much as I can, but I don’t know that the lawsuits will ever end. People I hear all the time, why doesn’t Lisa stop for the kids? But what they don’t realize is she’s not the one initiating these lawsuits. But when you’re sued, obviously you guys are in the legal space, you understand this. When you’re sued, you either defend yourself or you lose everything. She could be sued and sued and sued until she just loses everything. And so she kind of has to fight back.

Lindsey Egan:

And family law is like the wild wild west. We are the world’s okayest lawyers and the laws sometimes apply in family court. It’s weird.

Jared Correia:

Can we do two more poopourri questions and then finish this bad boy up? For sure. Although I would like to know the brand of the waffle maker at some point, but anyway, go ahead. You can tell us later. I like waffles.

Jody Glidden:

I think that could be the biggest sponsorship deal Lisa ever does.

Lindsey Egan:

Yeah. Oh, absolutely. So there was some report that Lisa spent $10,000 on one Instacart run, which I could do that. So no shame. We want to know, Jody, where would you most likely run up a 10 K Instacart expense?

Jody Glidden:

Well, first of all, many of the other things that were in these motions never happened. There actually was no such thing. She tends to not quote back in the media because she doesn’t want to seem argumentative sometimes and stuff, but that never happened. Where would I spend 10 K? I think I’ve seen, I mean, I’m not sure what stores they have other than grocery stores. I don’t use Instacart very often.

Jared Correia:

Total wine, waffle House.

Jody Glidden:

Total wine. Sorry, go. I would just fill up my tequila collection.

Lindsey Egan:

Oh, nice,

Jared Correia:

Nice. All right, we got one more for you, Jody. Make it a good one.

Ally Kvidt:

I guess we saw this season, Lisa, working very hard on her fragrance fly by Lisa, which looks like it smells amazing. I haven’t had the pleasure of smelling it, but are there any scents in your future, and if there were, what would they smell like?

Jody Glidden:

It’s funny. I do this, I wear two different colognes mixed together. It was an accident one time many years ago, and people were like, wow, what is that? And so I’ve just continued to do it and now I just put ’em into one bottle. I premix it, and Lisa was like just saying on this trip, she’s like, are you going to make your own cent? I’m like, absolutely not. I’m in the software business. I have no intention to launch a consumer product or any kind of product like that ever. I’m purely on the show just to support Lisa, and that’s it. So Lisa also launched an app to help other women going through divorce so that they will not be financially or legally abused. It helps answer the questions for them, helps ’em get assistance quickly in emergency situations and things like that. So that’s something I think we’ll probably be released in the next two or three weeks. She’s pretty proud of too.

Jared Correia:

Ally, Lindsey, you guys are great. Thank you for filling in my gaps of knowledge. I really appreciate it. Pleasure.

Ally Kvidt:

Anytime,

Jared Correia:

Jody. Really fun interview. Thanks for being a Grace for, I actually learned a lot. I’m going to go binge Real Housewives right now. Do it. Thanks for listening to everybody.

If you want to find out more about Jody Glidden and his work, visit postilize.com. That’s P-O-S-T-I-L-I-Z e.com, post lives.com. Now, for those of you listening on Star Island in Miami, Florida, I’ve got a Spotify playlist for you. You might’ve guessed what it is. Yes, it’s all about my first favorite band, the Beach Boys. So Catch a Wave, which is not just a phrase I’m saying, but again, also my favorite Beach Boys song. And then you can also listen to what else I’ve got in my Beach Boys collection. Now, sadly, I’ve run out of time today to talk about the Truman Show. Really a phenomenal movie about reality television. That was way ahead of his time. But let’s all just continue to underappreciate Jim Carrey as a dramatic actor. Okay, I’ve got the fucking majestic on DVD people. This is Jared Correia reminding you that while it’s bulky, I do consider it a carry on.

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