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Feeling a little stir-crazy? Fend off the malaise with Dennis and Tom’s recommendations for apps, devices, and online wellness resources for maintaining your mental and physical health at home. In their second segment, they discuss the many lighting options available to help you look your best for online meetings.

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Transcript

The Kennedy-Mighell Report

Wellness Tech: Self-Care While Sheltering in Place

04/24/2020

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Intro: Web 2.0, Innovation, Trend, Collaboration, Software, Metadata… Got the world turning as fast as it can, hear how technology can help, legally speaking with two of the top legal technology experts, authors and lawyers, Dennis Kennedy and Tom Mighell. Welcome to The Kennedy-Mighell Report here on the Legal Talk Network.

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Dennis Kennedy: Welcome to Episode 259 of The Kennedy-Mighell Report. I am Dennis Kennedy in Ann Arbor.

Tom Mighell: And I am Tom Mighell in Dallas. Before we get started we would like to thank our sponsor.

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Tom Mighell: And we want to mention that the second edition of our book, ‘The Lawyer’s Guide to Collaboration Tools and Technologies’ is available on Amazon. Everyone agrees that collaboration is essential in today’s world, but now more than ever knowing the right tools will make all the difference.

Dennis Kennedy: You know Tom, I feel like I say this every — with every episode lately.

Tom Mighell: You do.

Dennis Kennedy: What a difference another week or two makes. In our last episode we shared ways to make smart decisions about technology spendings in tough times. In this episode as we all shelter-in-place, we are going to look at technology’s role in wellness and as usual not from the usual perspective.

So Tom, what’s all on our agenda for this episode?

Tom Mighell: Well Dennis, in this edition of The Kennedy-Mighell Report we will indeed be discussing how technology can help us with health, fitness and all around wellness.

In our second segment we are going to share our thoughts on finding lighting solutions for our video conference calls and as usual we will finish up with our parting shots, that one tip, website, or observation that you can start to use the second that this podcast is over, but first up technology and wellness.

As we go into what for many of us is I would guess the sixth week of staying at home, we have seen a lot of people starting to talk about depression, loneliness, just all around bad feelings about not being out and about, not being around people, being cooped up at home, either by yourself or with people that you have grown tense around because you have been around them so much.

We have also started to see a ton of articles, a ton of webinars, a ton of tweets with advice on how to take care of yourself while sheltering in place, so we thought we would tackle the same topic and put our usual tech spin on it.

Dennis, what we aren’t doing in this episode is talking about disconnecting from technology. Please reassure me that we are not talking about disconnecting from technology.

Dennis Kennedy: Well, I will definitely reassure you on that, because I find it really — the whole idea of the tech disconnect talk if just really off-putting to me. A lot of people are really prescriptive about it, telling you what it is that you have to do, and often people talk about using technology in a way that’s truly foreign to me. They do things that I just wouldn’t and I see why the technology — why they think they need to step away because they are just not — they just don’t have very good control of using their technology or dealing with settings and using the right tools for what you are doing.

So that disconnect thing always seemed — it seems like people want you to be either all on or all off and it’s all or nothing, which I don’t like. I like to kind of travel in that middle path.

So the way I think about is if I am walking in nature, it might be — you might say oh, I should leave the smartphone at home and be out there, but I still think it’s cool to be out there and have an app that allows me to identify flowers and trees, so you can combine both things in good ways. How about you?

Tom Mighell: Yeah. No, I think it’s unrealistic to tell people to completely back off from technology. I will say they are probably those who become so addicted to technology that taking a break from it might make some level of sense for the purpose of that addiction, but what’s interesting is these days I have seen parents go from putting limits on screen time for kids to all screen time, because they have nothing else for their kids to do.

So we are kind of in a different world now and I think that it really should be that we are looking to find the best from technology and the way that technology can help us through issues rather than trying to get away from technology or find ways to not use it.

So this is really about using technology to get better, to feel better about ourselves, to feel better physically, mentally, all around.

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Dennis Kennedy: Yeah. And I think it is a great time to explore both what we have and what we are doing and what might make more sense. We can all learn from each other I mean as we are all learning doing video conferences and all the other things that we are doing now. And that’s in a lot of ways a major theme of Tom, what you and I wrote in our book on “Collaboration Tools”, it’s not just the technology; it’s what we do to build communities and connect to each other.

So in this episode we really want to share the technologies that we actually use or might use in connection with our own health, fitness and wellness and to me that means the place we absolutely have to start is with Tom and his Peloton bike.

Tom Mighell: Well, we will start with it. Yes, I am using the Peloton bike now and I love it; I have loved it ever since I bought it, what, two-and-a-half years ago, I have had it for that long. I really enjoy it. If you are interested in being friends on Peloton so we can ride together, challenge each other, please reach out to me, I will give you my screen name and we can be friends on Peloton.

I will say, I would guess at this point in time Peloton is not shipping bike, so I am not arguing that you go get a peloton bike, but what I will recommend that you do is, is that if you are looking for a different way of keeping fit, the Peloton App, which is available on iOS and Android and I believe that there are versions that you can put on to your Smart TV as well, there are apps; I am not sure the Roku app is out yet or not, but you can get it onto your TV.

The Peloton App is now free for a 90-day trial and so it has not only the live classes that they give; cycling, running, weights, yoga, meditation, all these sorts of things, but it also has an audio-only area that you can get from your phone, it will take you on guided runs or guided run walks or guided walks, but it will let you get out of the house as long as you are socially distancing and it will give you that good exercise without needing to watch video.

So I think it’s a great option. Even if you just keep it for the 90 days, the workouts there are really quite good, so give that a shot.

Dennis, what are you using these days?

Dennis Kennedy: Well, I also want to talk about biking and the apps you can use. So when I have been cycling over the years for many years I use an app called Endomondo; there are other ones like Strava and others and they will basically map your route for you, track your distance, give you some data about what it is that you are doing in each of your rides.

Endomondo is also great for — you can use it for walking, for running, for different types of things. And it’s super easy to use with an app. It uses GPS and you get a report at the end. It has a social element; I personally don’t use it, but I know some people who do, but it gives you a great way to track what it is that you are doing, especially to get your mileage to where you want.

So if you are not riding on a trail where you know exactly how long things are going to be and you just ride for a while, it will give you an idea of how long you have ridden. So people also can do similar things, like I said, with walking and running and it’s just a nice way to do things.

I think that leads us Tom and I think you might have even more history with these than I do, but I think that especially an exercise, potentially in nutrition as well, but the whole notion of trackers I think has become an important technology and how we address all of this.

Tom Mighell: Well, I certainly used a Fitbit for a long period of time, but then I stopped — I kind of went through different ways of tracking because I moved from the Fitbit to an Android Watch which I use as a tracker. Now, I don’t really wear anything these days.

What I have been using as my tracker and I do like it to I guess a certain extent is Google Fit. Google Fit is an Android app that comes on all versions of Android; I am not sure if you have to download it or not, but what I like about it is that it plugs into most apps that you have.

So for example, it plugs into my Smart Scale, so whenever I weigh myself, that weight transfers over into Google Fit and it figures into everything that’s going on. My weight is always updated. It can track your heart rate, it can track your blood pressure, it can track a whole bunch of things, which I think is nice having all of that in one place.

Tons of trackers out there; Step Tracker as well and it kind of measures things by how many move minutes you have kind of based on what the American Heart Association recommends. So it’s nice to be able to see all of it in one place.

Yes, I am sharing all of my health information with Google, I know what you are saying, but I am okay with that. It doesn’t matter really which app you use. I think find an app that either tracks all of those things, because otherwise you have got 10 apps to deal with all of that stuff or find something that integrates them all, similar to what Google Fit does.

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Dennis Kennedy: And we may just have to deal with the fact that it’s pretty obvious that we are all going to be sharing a lot more health information with Google and Apple if things develop in the way it looks like with COVID-19.

Tom Mighell: Yeah.

Dennis Kennedy: You sort of alluded to this when you said the watch, but I think that with trackers you do have these specialized devices and the Fitbits and other things that do specific things. There comes a point where you probably say, I just don’t want to have a lot of different monitors on me. And that’s why I think the watches, the Apple Watch, the Google Watches and stuff where you can put apps on will do a lot for you.

And so I think they are starting to become that sort of essential wellness, always on, always with you device, that makes sense, and as it can track more information, from pulse to other, heartbeat, all these different things, whether you are standing up, sitting down, all of that, that’s becoming a useful device and I think more effort is being put into the medical and health side of those things. So I like the watch thing.

And the other thing I like is alerts and reminders. So Tom, I just want to mention two that I like, because sometimes — and the watch is like a nice way to use these, but one that I always liked, I thought was a little weird at first, but then I grew to like it was just the reminder that my Apple Watch was giving me that I needed to stand each hour and I found that really helpful.

And then I have a new medication I am taking that I have to take in the morning and in the evening and I am using an app, that’s a Pill Reminder, and I know a lot of people use this with their elderly parents, things like that, but to me when you have to take a pill more than once a day, it’s nice to get a reminder. So this is a nice alert that reminds me and tracks that I have taken my medication when I need to.

So I don’t know, Tom, do you do other things with alerts and reminders?

Tom Mighell: I don’t really do alerts that same way. I do reminders. I have used the pill tracker the same way that you have, but I typically do that, like you have, when it’s a new drug or when it’s something, like an antibiotic that I have to take three or four times a day, which I am not used to taking things multiple times and I think that having that type of reminder is a good thing.

I actually would like to step back a few steps and mention some things that I didn’t get to talk about, because I do want to talk a little bit more about exercising apps, because there are a bunch of interesting services and things for exercise that you can use that a bunch of different groups are making available for free during this time.

So things like the Nike Training Club App, you get premium workouts free. The Planet Fitness, the Gym Planet Fitness, they are having streaming workouts live on Facebook every day. If you are a member of Barry’s or if you have ever heard of Barry’s with Barry’s Bootcamp, they are on Instagram live, they are doing classes live every day on Instagram.

One of the things that I think is really interesting and we are seeing this a lot with kind of in the entertainment area, where you are able to watch movies with your friends remotely, is an app called co-train.space, where you can actually synchronize a YouTube video so you and your friends can workout to it at the same time. And I am not sure I ever want to really work out with my friends at the same time to a YouTube video, that feels super awkward to me, but some of you may be doing that at the gym and it’s a good way to get a workout in with people.

But I think it’s making use of — I think we are finding this kind of co-training and synchronizing of people being able to do things when they are not together with each other, finding new ways, that is really particularly interesting to me and this is one way that we are seeing they are taking advantage of that.

Sorry, I went backwards. So let’s move forwards. What’s up next Dennis?

Dennis Kennedy: Well, you made me move just a little bit backwards, but I want to talk — so there are definitely yoga apps and videos. A lot of personal trainers are creating their own YouTube channel. So if you have a personal trainer that you have used in the past or you want to find one, great.

My wife and I do this thing called Feldenkrais, which is similar to yoga and our old teacher; she is not old, but she used to be our teacher in St. Louis did an online version of a class and that was great; we did that by video. So there are some opportunities there, as people in the training field definitely kind of struggle with a way to bring in revenue and this is a way to help them out — help the people who have helped you out.

Then I guess I just wanted to touch on Tom, there are a few other actual health devices that you can use in a connected kind of way and sometimes connected, sometimes not, but things like the oximeters, scales, thermometers, all those sorts of things, automated blood pressure, there are a lot of devices out there and potentially some apps that you can use.

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And some of those results, I would expect already can and we will see more of that information being uploaded to your doctor as well, which is kind of a cool area.

Tom Mighell: Yup. But I will say right now, good luck finding an oximeter anywhere on the Internet, because it’s about as scarce as toilet paper and hand sanitizer and I think that thermometers are the same, because I am finding them showing up on the tracking websites trying to find where you can get new thermometers, because suddenly taking everyone’s temperature is all the rage.

Dennis Kennedy: Yeah. I will sell you my oximeter for $5,000. You have to pay for shipping of course.

Tom Mighell: There are now price gouging laws that are coming into effect, so let’s avoid that.

Dennis Kennedy: So let’s talk a little bit about meditation and relaxation, which I think is another great area of stress reduction. What are you finding in that area?

Tom Mighell: So I really want to be a good meditator and I am not. I fall asleep when I try to meditate more often than not, which probably speaks to my lack of sleep more than anything else. But I want to enjoy it, I want to like it and I try it, and the app that helps me the most, the one that I get the most pleasure out of and use out of is Headspace.

Headspace is not free for everybody; right now though it’s completely free for healthcare professionals. So if you know somebody who is a healthcare professional, let them know, they can get a subscription for Headspace. Tons of awesome meditation classes. You can start as a beginner and work your way up. They have classes depending on a specific type of meditation you want to do. So I was like okay, I am stressed out, there is an eight part series of meditations for relieving stress, which I thought was terrific, but I think — and I don’t know meditation well enough to know what’s good meditation and what’s bad meditation, I just know that I enjoy the meditation exercises with Headspace and so I can definitely recommend that.

But I know that there are also dozens of meditation apps out there and probably a lot of people who are leading guided meditation classes now on their YouTube channels as part of not having a place to go and do meditation otherwise, they are offering their services for free on YouTube.

Dennis Kennedy: Yeah. And I think we will circle back to this at the end, but I think meditation is one of these areas, relaxation, exercise even are places where it’s very personal to you and so what works well for me may not work at all for you, so you kind of have to do some exploring.

I like the — we talked about Soundscapes, which is a variant I think on the relaxation apps. I use Spotify, but obviously there are other streaming services to use, and I look for relaxation in sort of focus types of playlists and use those.

The one thing that I am finding that I really liked lately are these playlists of Tibetan bowls, which like I said, this is all going to be personal because you could listen to this and say it’s the weirdest thing you ever heard and to me I just find it really soothing. And it’s hard to describe, but there are these sort of metal bowls and they are struck and they kind of reverberate and echo and I just find it really soothing, so those are good.

And some of those even work for — are geared towards sleep. And I guess we probably should talk a little bit about sleeping and diet Tom, but I think — I don’t do a lot with that, but I know there are some monitoring tools out there in both categories, both sleep and diet.

Tom Mighell: Well, I mean your Apple Watches can I think allegedly monitor your sleep. I couldn’t wear a watch in bed so I don’t know that I want to do that, but I think that the Smart Watches are alleged to be doing that.

There are a ton of apps that are supposed to monitor your sleep. I have always sort of questioned their accuracy, without getting something that’s medically vetted to do that, so I don’t know about those.

With diet apps, they run the gamut. So there are apps where you can track what you eat, but then I think that the other — and to make sure that you are getting the right level of food, there is a product that I actually backed on Kickstarter a while back called Lumen, which measures your metabolism. You blow air into it. It’s a device where you exhale into it and it measures your metabolism to let you know, are you burning fat, are you burning carbohydrates, what are you burning based on your diet and then it gives you recommendations on what to eat. I was fascinated by it until like about three weeks in and it completely broke. So I am not sure that it was a successful Kickstarter program for them.

But there are all kinds of diet apps. like even thinking about apps that you might use to have food delivered; you are probably using Uber Eats or DoorDash or Postmates or Instacart to get food delivered, but also think about apps like Farmbox Direct, Farm Fresh, they will bring you fruits and veggies, they will bring you fresh food if they are available in your area, definitely something to look forward to and look out for so that you are not always ordering the pizzas or the tacos or whatever unhealthy things that some of these other services might specialize in.

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Dennis Kennedy: I think they serve one more big category, which is probably the farthest out there, so you see things — I think you’ll see things in virtual reality, making use of the tacos. There’s a relaxation sort of brain stimulation, headband thing called Muse definitely biofeedback which goes back many years, and then other sensor approaches where people want to get more data on and say their workout and stuff so you can kind of get more granular data say on as you with lift weights like where — how efficiently you’re working and things like that.

So there’s some things that are really kind of pushing the edge in what technology can do, and some comes obviously from the professional or Olympic athletes in their training, that’s kind of filtering out into the rest of the world, but there could be some interesting things there that could be both fun and helpful. I don’t know, Tom, do you have anything that’s sort of out there cutting edge?

Tom Mighell: So I don’t have anything that’s out there, but I do think you and I were talking before the podcast about how technology is going to change things for us once this crisis has kind of passed us, and one area that I think is going to be huge that we haven’t talked about is a huge uptick that I’ve been seeing in telemedicine services. I never had access to this before. Now, my insurance company offers it. My primary care doctor’s office sends me an email every two weeks to talk about how they are improving their telemedicine services.

Even my dermatologist sent me an email. They said they will take a look at my rash via Tablet or iPhone or phone, but even if you don’t have a doctor who offers it, there’s a ton of nationwide services who can help and they are actually offering either free or discounted services during this time. I’m going to post a link of 18 different services that are offering free or discounted visits during the pandemic time.

And the other thing I think that’s important to think about here is not just telemedicine for medical issues, but listening to a story the other day about all the people who may be in treatment for alcohol, drug or other addictions, being cut off from therapy or for groups I think can be incredibly painful and very damaging to people who rely on those groups.

I’ll put a link in the website, there is a group — a site called Intergroup for AA online meetings, but a lot of AA meetings have moved to Zoom, and I think there are guidelines for setting those up on the alcohol anonymous website, but that kind of leads us into the other area, which is mental health.

A lot of our friends kind of are reporting some signs of depression and sadness and there are a number of online therapy tools. You may already be seeing a therapist. A lot of therapists have moved their practices online to continue treatment, but if you haven’t, there are a couple of services that will help you find a counselor for pretty reasonable prices. For example, there’s one called Open Path Collective, that’s $30 to $60 per session. There’s one called BetterHelp, that’s $40 to $70 per week, and there’s one that’s kind of getting a lot of buzz lately called Talkspace, it’s about $65 a week, and actually insurance might cover it, a number of health plans cover it, they actually moderating some Facebook groups that have more than 5,000 or 10,000 members to them.

So a lot of interesting things are happening on the medical field, on the therapy field that I think is going to continue past all of this and I’m really interested to see where all this goes.

Dennis Kennedy: And you could find that your health insurance, especially as we move forward, your Employee Assistance Program might pay for some of that stuff, but yeah, I’d totally second the online therapist thing, that’s I think going to be a really important development, and I do think that with COVID-19 we’re as a society going to make a trade-off that’s going to allow or we’re going to accept a lot more medical and health tracking, and they’re — so there’s pluses and minuses of that. But I think that especially there are some things that if it keeps you out of a hospital, so you don’t have to have certain types of follow-up that you can be tracked, that’s going to be a reasonable trade off.

So, I guess, Tom, to me it sort of balances that between a couple of key things, I think. So there are the social apps and there are the highly personal apps in technologies. Not surprisingly for people who know me, I really prefer the more individual things and I do less on the social side and I think you with Peloton probably moved just a little bit to the other side, but I think some of the stuff does come down to you do you and you kind of figure out what works best for you, is it —

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Tom Mighell: No, I definitely think that it’s a you do you thing, but I would challenge the notion that — I mean, Peloton, yes, is designed to be we’re all together in this, I mean, that’s what a Peloton is, it’s a group of bikers. So that’s what it’s designed to mean, but I tend to view that our approach to wellness and keeping sane and safe and whatever it is, is a very personal experience and how we tend to approach it has to be an individual decision that we make.

Now whether we use other people to help us out with it, that’s our own decision to make, but I think how we all choose to approach it will be individual, and I think that a lot of these technologies can help with that decision or the way that you choose to approach it.

Dennis Kennedy: Yeah, I was going to say to Tom, when you have talked about Peloton in the past and one of the things I think has become interesting with the personal trainers, YouTube channels and stuff like that, it’s that you could actually find like the best trainers for you, like somebody who has an approach that really works for you in it. I like Kettlebells, as people may know, so to find a great Kettlebell instructor online would be great.

I mean, I guess where I end up is to go back to say like, I think that you don’t want to say, tech, I just have to disconnect, but I think you wanted — you really want to explore, you want to explore with your eyes open and you really want to kind of take control of what you’re doing and don’t feel like the technology is in control of you, but that you can start to use technology in ways that really help you, and a lot of that is the awareness of what’s possible, but being willing to be open and explore.

Tom Mighell: And I think that’s as good a place as any to end this segment. Before we move on to our next segment, let’s take a quick break for a message from our sponsor.

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Tom Mighell: And now let’s get back to The Kennedy-Mighell Report. I am Tom Mighell.

Dennis Kennedy: And I am Dennis Kennedy. So many of us are on Zoom, Teams, Skype, BlueJeans and other video-conference calls these days, even TV new shows have interviewed guests who are on webcams in remote locations even the announcers are in remote locations.

So the quality of these calls, can to be charitable, be not so great. One of the most notable issues when you appear on video is actually delighting, especially bad lining like sitting in front of a window with light streaming in and washing you out or you’re in a dark room or watch somebody the other night on PBS who looked like he had a number of candles in front of him and he was appearing at a séance in front of his webcam.

So there are actually a number of ways to look better on video, and Tom and I have recently been looking to actual video lighting options to make it better, because we’re always looking for technology solutions if we can find them. So we’re not sure we have the answers yet, but we thought we’d share what we are finding and where we are leaning. So, Tom, where are you at now?

Tom Mighell: Where I’m at is like completely overwhelmed. There are so many options out there almost no one completely agrees about what’s best. I see different opinions from website to website from people who call themselves experts. There’s tons of YouTube channels on this, tons of articles. The options to me are overwhelming. So I’m not sure really where I want to go.

The one thing that I’m absolutely sure of is that the office where my computer is located where you and I are recording this podcast right now — sorry where I’m recording it, the lighting is horrible and I switched my desk orientation. Before today I was facing — I was — my back was to the window, so whenever I was on video you were getting a lot of glare, it looked very bright light even when it was raining outside; it’s convenient to my office, but it’s not for video meetings. The glare was just not good. I would say that switching has been better, but it’s not perfect, because the lighting above is not very good. During the day the natural lighting is not bad, but again, not perfect. I think that natural light is going to be the best way to light you.

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So do your best to get enough natural light on you and then you don’t have to worry about whether you use any other artificial lighting.

The other thing that I think that I’ve learned from reading all these things is that balancing the lights is going to be important. They mentioned having multiple lights set up at different locations, some say 10 and 2, some will say 10-12 in 2, some will say have a light directly above you. Have lights above but not directly above you because that could throw your face in the shadow. Well, I’m sitting here in my office the light is not directly above me, well, when we turned — when I turned it on all you could see were the shadows from my glasses, so that’s an art too. I think making sure the light source is not too bright is important because that’s going to wash out your face.

What I’ve learned from what I’ve read is that LED lighting or box lighting are going to be the best options, and Dennis, you may have more to say on that. There are so many choices you have right now. I was initially looking because I’d read a lot initially that ring lights were the way to go, but now I’m convinced that ring lights are absolutely not the way to go and a ring light for those of you who don’t know is just really a ring of light and it’s designed to kind of sit behind your computer and point some directed light at you. A lot of Instagramers, a lot of YouTubers have little tiny ring lights that they attach to their phones when they do videos.

The problem is, is you can actually see the ring in their eyes as it’s — as they’re talking. The ring light is designed really to be a supplementary light. I think it may be good for beauty videos, makeup videos, but most of the advice I see is pointing to LED or box lighting. I’ve talked a whole lot more than I expected to on it. Dennis, tell me where you are with this because I’m still kind of finding my way.

Dennis Kennedy: Well, that’s because we’re still kind of struggling with where we go. So what I’ve done is I tried to do. If I am — during the day I have a window opened or no, the curtains opened and then I have a desk light that’s an odd light so which gives you the equivalent of natural light and then I have another light. So that’s on one side of me and I have another light on the other side. So it’s not ideal, but it seems to work okay.

So what I’ve learned is because I played — I looked into ring lights and I wasn’t totally convinced, but then when I read that ring lights are an utter disaster if you’re wearing glasses, I totally got that, so I scratched those off my list. I sort of understand now that you always want the lights in front of you and that lights behind you and this 10 and 2 notion, it’s really important especially again if you wear glasses because otherwise that helps alleviate the reflections off your glasses.

So the eye light was interesting to me, the ring lights I ruled out. I’m kind of interested in these little tripod lights from a company called — yeah, I’m going to guess how to pronounce it. I would pronounce it as Neewer or Neewer, so N-E-E-W-E-R. There’s sort of expensive photography lights but I found some, they are desktop that are like $52 and you would put one on each side of your monitor at the 10 and 2, that’s probably what I’m likely to try next.

But, I’m kind of coming around to this thing of that as you do this research yourself then probably your best move is to talk to if you know a photographer or can find a photographer who would talk to you just like ask them for advice because they probably have a lot of great solutions. The only trouble is that the photographer probably has some really great expensive solutions. So you always got to watch your budget these days, so that’s where I’m at on those.

So now it’s time for our parting shots, that one-tip website, or observation you can use the second this podcast ends. Tom, take it away.

Tom Mighell: So two self-promotional parting shots from me this time. I have re-launched my blog. It’s been 4 years. I can’t believe that I thought I was burned out, but it turns out that I was ready to write again, I’m excited about it, I’ve re-launched now part of the LexBlog network, happy to be there, we used to be — for those of you who read the blog before it was called Inter Alia.

Now it’s just my name, it’s just Tom Mighell, but it’s still at inter-alia.net. So please go take a look and subscribe if you’re interested, but I wasn’t satisfied just with the blog and — because I read a lot of stories every week, there’s a lot of headlines that still interests me that I don’t post on the blog. So I’ve created a newsletter, I’m calling it The Extra Mighell. Get it? It’s the extra stuff that I talk about and you can get to it at tommighell.substack.com. I’ll put the link to the newsletter in the show notes. I would appreciate you subscribing to it if it interests you. Dennis.

Dennis Kennedy: So I know in these times a lot of people are looking for light, fun, entertaining things, and sometimes I am just going to go the other direction completely.

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So if you want to start thinking seriously about the future and in deep ways, I have two things for you. So one that I’m fascinated by, Deloitte has put out using — involving some of the leading scenario planners in the world. There are four COVID-19 scenarios and it’s pretty easy to find, but we’ll put the link in the show notes.

But it gives you four potential ways that the pandemic could play out and the sort of the signs you would expect to see that we’re moving down one of these paths. So really gives you a lot to think about, and then if you want to think really long term, I love The Long Now Foundation and they’ve put up their seminars, they do regular seminars with some really interesting thinkers in science and other areas, and they’ve made their podcasts and video casts available at longnow.org/seminars. So I find that if you just want to take some time and think deeply for a change, good place to go.

Tom Mighell: And so that wraps it up for this edition of The Kennedy-Mighell Report. Thanks for joining us on the podcast. You can find show notes for this episode on the Legal Talk Network’s page for this podcast.

If you like what you hear, please subscribe to our podcast in iTunes or on the Legal Talk Network site where you can find archives of all of our previous podcasts along with transcripts.

If you would like to get in touch with us, you can always find us on LinkedIn or leave us a voicemail, we are at (720) 441-6820.

Come on, you’re all shut in at home right now, it’s time to send us a voicemail for our B segment. And so, until the next podcast, I am Tom Mighell.

Dennis Kennedy: And I am Dennis Kennedy and you have been listening to The Kennedy-Mighell Report, a podcast on legal technology with an Internet focus.

If you liked what you heard today, please rate us in Apple Podcasts and we will see you next time for another episode of The Kennedy-Mighell Report on the Legal Talk Network.

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Outro: Thanks for listening to The Kennedy-Mighell Report. Check out Dennis and Tom’s book, ‘The Lawyer’s Guide to Collaboration Tools and Technologies: Smart Ways to Work Together’ from ABA Books or Amazon, and join us every other week for another edition of The Kennedy-Mighell Report, only on the Legal Talk Network.

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Published: April 24, 2020
Podcast: Kennedy-Mighell Report
Category: COVID-19 , Legal Technology
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