As is their custom, Dennis and Tom take their annual look back at ABA TECHSHOW to discuss their experiences and learnings. They talk about the unique feel of the 2020 conference and share their favorite sessions. In their second segment, they share their thoughts on what conference speakers could do to offer up better content for live tweeters in their audience.
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A Segment: Reflections of ABA TECHSHOW 2020
The Kennedy-Mighell Report
Key Takeaways from TECHSHOW 2020
Intro: Web 2.0, Innovation, Trend, Collaboration, Software, Metadata… Got the world turning as fast as it can, hear how technology can help, legally speaking with two of the top legal technology experts, authors and lawyers, Dennis Kennedy and Tom Mighell. Welcome to The Kennedy-Mighell Report here on the Legal Talk Network.
Dennis Kennedy: And welcome to Episode 256 of The Kennedy-Mighell Report. I am Dennis Kennedy in Ann Arbor.
Tom Mighell: And I am Tom Mighell in Dallas. Before we get started we would like to thank our sponsor.
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In our last episode we, as is our tradition on the podcast, got out in front of some things that are happening that have technology implications and we talked about the impact of COVID-19 and what it might mean for in-person conferences and meetings, we also discussed whether technology might have actually snuck up on us and become a good replacement for travel in many situations. What a difference a few weeks has made in that conversation.
In this episode we take our annual look back at ABA TECHSHOW which is one of the places that you are actually likely to see Tom and I in the same place at the same time.
Tom, what’s all on our agenda for this episode?
Tom Mighell: Well Dennis, in this edition of The Kennedy-Mighell Report we will indeed be looking back at our experiences and learnings from ABA TECHSHOW.
In the second segment we are going to talk about what we think to be is the mixed blessing it is when someone tweets from a presentation that you happen to be giving and as usual we will finish up with our parting shots, that one tip, website, or observation that you can start to use the second that this podcast is over.
But first up ABA TECHSHOW 2020 is in the books. As many of you know around this time of year Dennis and I both attend ABA TECHSHOW, one of the biggest legal technology conferences for lawyers. We braved the cold in Chicago. Our experience has been that it packs a big punch into two-and-a-half days and I would say that this year’s conference did not disappoint in that regard.
So we wanted to take a look back at it, tell those of you who didn’t make it what you might have missed and whether you might want to come along for the ride next year and maybe some additional thoughts we have around conferences and our current environment.
Dennis, any big picture world changing takeaways from TECHSHOW?
Dennis Kennedy: Well, probably the first one where I felt that hand sanitizer was more important to me than business cards. So I think we were actually on the edge Tom of when COVID-19 was having an impact, it sort of felt like we were very close to the line on whether there was the impact, but certainly people’s behavior was changing and we will talk a little bit more about that later.
I would also say Tom that, and I had this conversation with somebody recently, if TECHSHOW would have been at its normal time in mid-March, I am fairly certain it would have been canceled. That kind of was one part of the conference definitely.
But I thought Tom, for me, great energy, great diversity that I saw and for me and I think you as well, we have talked about whether there is a new generation coming in legal tech in terms of the thinkers, the speakers, the writers and it’s really nice for me to start to feel that that new generation was arriving and creating their own friendships and all in the same way Tom, I think that you, me and many others did in the times that we first started to get to know each other.
So that was kind of my overall view. I will dive a little bit more into the technology, but I thought it was a great show for a number of reasons, but a big part was the sense of the torch starting to be passed to a new generation of legal technologists.
Tom Mighell: I agree from the standpoint of the speakers, from the faculty, I totally agree with that. I will be interested to see how the audience changes, because I still don’t see as many young people, although we will talk about law students here in a minute.
My big takeaway and actually my big takeaway is a little bit of a quibble and I will ask this question. Is it fair to actually call this year’s conference TECHSHOW because there was so much more than technology covered and I know that one of the co-chairs commented that technology is now mainstream and should be integrated into everyday practice, I agree that it should be integrated, but I also wonder are lawyers ready to have it so integrated that we get away from the how of doing things.
Now, I am not complaining about the content, I thought the content was great. There were tracks on wellbeing, tracks on innovation, tracks on human skills, other topics that might relate to technology but aren’t directly technology, I think all really good content and as I think you are going to say something for just about everybody, but it had a different feel in that it wasn’t as much helping people learn how to use the technology as in past years. I don’t know that that’s a bad thing, but that’s one big takeaway that I had from it, it was a very different TECHSHOW.
Dennis Kennedy: Well, I maybe didn’t pick up so much of that. I mean I am sympathetic to saying that there is a point in being around technology for lawyers for so many years that you just want to say hey, look, the stuff is here, we just can’t have lawyers pretending that it doesn’t exist anymore. So if you say –
Tom Mighell: But we can’t move on from it either. So I mean it’s a tough position to be in, I don’t know that I have a solution or an answer to it here, but that’s my conundrum.
Dennis Kennedy: Yeah, my thought is you just kick people forward and they realize that they are behind and they have to catch up and if you say hey, this is all integrated into one thing, I mean it’s an approach, we have kind of held lawyers’ hands on technology for a long time and I just don’t know that we have — if we have reached a point where that makes sense anymore.
I would say that and you kind of alluded to this Tom, that for me there was a notion at TECHSHOW that reminded me a bit of actually a conversation we had at dinner where people were talking about what they watched on TV these days and things like that and you realize there are so many options and for a lot of people there is not a lot of overlap. And so our experience with entertainment and other things these days is actually quite individual and quite personalized.
So I definitely saw that at TECHSHOW where there would be things that I was paying attention to or sections I went to and there just was not a lot of overlap with other people that I was running into. And so that’s both good and bad in a sort of part of our existence these days, where everybody kind of has their own area of interest and that’s what they explore. So the challenge in any event like this is to try to figure out how you create a combined experience where you have those discussions when people kind of have all these different focuses.
So Tom, I am looking at the script and I see I am supposed to talk about my favorite things, but I have talked for a while, so why don’t we switch it up and ask you like what were your favorite sessions and learnings.
Tom Mighell: There were three favorites for me in terms of the content that were put on and I sound a little bit like a broken record on this podcast, but I was sort of flabbergasted by the overwhelming popularity that the sessions on Office 365 had. Every session that I walked into on Office 365 was standing room only, and I think it really shows how much traction the product has and is getting in the legal community finally, but I was pleased to see that.
The ones that I was intrigued with and unfortunately I didn’t get to spend as much time as I wanted to in either of these places were on the Friday there was what they call the Doer UnTrack, where you actually get together in groups and you actually do things, you actually build things and talk about things and it’s not just listening to someone give a speech, you are actually doing things on different topics. I am interested to see what the feedback was from those sessions because I think that has a good prospect for the future of having something more than just your standard conference and listening to people up at a podium talk.
I also loved the idea of the Saturday workshops where people actually got to practice on things like marketing using technology to get better search engine results, to use Microsoft Word better, to create your own personal wellbeing plan, to build a client intake form using Zapier, to conduct your own social media audit and a whole bunch more.
I like that there was that hands-on and it wasn’t just — again, it’s kind of upending the idea of a traditional conference and letting people actually do things which I think is a great move forward.
Dennis, what about you, what were your favorites?
Dennis Kennedy: Well, it won’t surprise you Tom, I was very interested in a legal education track and the development that’s come in the last few years along those lines. So it gives you an idea of what’s actually happening in law schools as law schools kind of put the effort into figuring out how to incorporate technology into legal education, so a lot of good sessions there.
I love the Exhibit Hall, as you know Tom, even though you won’t walk around the Exhibit Hall with me anymore because you always feel like I end up talking to somebody and forgetting that you are walking along with me.
Tom Mighell: It’s true, you do. It’s not worth it.
Dennis Kennedy: I really liked the session on access to justice and artificial intelligence which kind of gave an idea of some of the things that people are working on in the A2J area. My favorite part of it was Kristen Sonday of Paladin doing a live demo, where she did a simple survey of the audience and we answered questions about interests, background, that sort of things and then in real time she put those together and kind of ranked people in order of most appropriately — I would say most matched to pro bono project and that was super interesting, because it identified — the person it identified as the most kind of relevant choice was a great person to do this project and it wouldn’t have been necessarily obvious who that person would be.
So that gave a great idea of how these kinds of tools could work and I love it when people have the courage to try something live like that, which I of course would never do.
And then the other thing for me I think is always conversations I have, sort of like in the hallway conversations, but my favorite one was this funny thing where I was at the concierge desk during the 60 Tip Sessions and our friend Ben Schorr of Microsoft and Lincoln Mead, who is a former TECHSHOW chair were standing with me, and I sort of had like my own parallel 60 Tip Sessions with the two of them and I learned all sorts of great stuff from like what bags they were using, to apps, to Microsoft tips to all sorts of things. So that was super fun for me, but obviously not the experience of most people.
I was also happy to see lots of law students present. So Tom, I kind of wanted to get your reaction to just this whole new thing of seeing more and more law students at TECHSHOW.
Tom Mighell: Well no, I think that we absolutely need to have more law students at TECHSHOW and I am interested in actually our listeners chiming in on the issue too. There was discussion on social media, there was discussion during the conference about how to get more law students there and some have suggested let’s just make it free for all law students. And having put on the show before, having put on a conference it’s hard to do that because there is a cost to each person, especially if you want them to eat lunch or be able to go to reception, be able to fully partake of a conference, there is a cost to that.
And so I know that that there were several law students that were there who had been sponsored either by a State Bar or by some of the vendors had sponsored law students, which I think are actually terrific ideas. And one of the things that I think we are going to try and work on here and we will talk about it a little bit more in a second is finding new ways to get law students there, because I think that’s where it begins.
I think that to the extent that legal technology is starting to be taught more in law schools, getting out and seeing what the vendors are doing, I think it gives law students even more exposure to it than they would ordinarily get even during a law school class, so I think it’s a terrific idea.
Dennis Kennedy: And obviously the other thing that was happening was there were a lot of the old law bloggers who were at TECHSHOW for some reason so that was super fun, Carolyn Elefant, Bob Ambrogi, like others who were early pioneers, Jerry Lawson.
Tom Mighell: Jerry Lawson, yeah.
Dennis Kennedy: Kevin O’Keefe, just like a ton of people, you and me Tom even, and so that was a lot of fun. And I was sort of joking with Tom, it’s kind of like the biggest gathering of that first generation of law bloggers I have seen in many years, but it really felt like that. So it’s good to see that intermingling of old and new.
And like on the law students’ side I was just going to add that a number of law schools including Michigan State where I teach also paid for students to attend, so that’s becoming another option.
But I kind of wanted to step back before we kind of look to the future Tom and to reflect on this. And so my question as I was coming home was like what is it that I actually learned at TECHSHOW or did I learn and kind of what’s the point of these shows, is it possible in these panel sessions and in these short things even where you have workshops to learn enough that it takes you forward?
So I usually find that there will be sessions I want to go to and the speakers will tell me that no, I won’t learn anything and they will actually discourage me from going, which happened in a couple of cases this year, and there is other things where I just need — like I want to do some video things, Google Forms, that sort of stuff and there were sessions but it just wasn’t quite precise enough to what I needed. And this I think kind of addresses that what we will go to next is what’s the future of these types of general conferences when we might have alternatives of YouTube channels and other things to get the specific knowledge that we need when we need it.
So I kind of struggle with that because it’s a great experience for me, but kind of when I come down to what is it that I actually learned, it was a little hard for me to put my finger on that. I don’t know if you have the same sense or had the same sense, Tom?
Tom Mighell: Well, I think and we probably talked about this here before, I think that organizing a conference like this to cover everyone’s both level of legal technology experience and their needs is really hard. I was hearing some reviews of some sessions where a couple of attendees were saying things like this was too basic, but I can guarantee you that for the people that it was too basic, there were other people in the room that it was spot-on or maybe it was even complicated for them.
And so I think that’s part of the challenges is that we still, it’s a sad thing to say, we still have lawyers at all phases of their legal technology competency ranges and I think that’s going to stick around for a while. And so I think that for a while we have to treat these shows as providing a look into what is current in legal technology, give you enough of a taste to say I need to learn more about this, so that you can go away and find different ways to learn and you can look at it when you get back and if you didn’t feel like you got enough, you can say all right, I now know what I need to do, I am going to go out and find the information and do it. Now you have got to take the initiative to do that.
But I tend to agree you are not going to learn in an hour how to completely do a Word — to use styles in Word and create a document that’s perfect, but it’s going to give you enough of an understanding of what you need to know about that you can learn more when you leave the conference.
Dennis Kennedy: So Tom, let’s look to the future, and I think on the podcast you have talked before about what you are doing with the — what you are now calling TECHSHOW Labs, which is the idea of what will happen to ABA TECHSHOW over the next five years and kind of talk a little bit in this era of COVID-19 of what’s going to happen to in-person events. So maybe you want to start with TECHSHOW Labs.
Tom Mighell: For those of you who haven’t listened to other podcasts, TECHSHOW Labs is the idea that the American Bar Association is being a volunteer organization. When you are putting on an annual conference like this you have a group of volunteers who are focused solely on putting on a fantastic show for this year. They won’t be around five years from now, but they will need to be a show five years from now.
So TECHSHOW Labs is designed to help anticipate what the TECHSHOW in five years is going to look like and start experimenting with new ideas and things to have roll out in fuller form five years from now, things that you can start thinking about now and making plans for that may not be ready for primetime now but will be the things you need to have thought about then.
Now, in terms of where we are in this kind of new world of viruses and lots of conferences being canceled as we speak, I think it’s still too early. Is this one of those things that has a problem this year and then sort of calms down to be a yearly season similar to other illnesses or is this something totally different, and I’m not sure that we know the answer to that question yet. But I think that part of what the labs are going to have to think about and conference providers also is, do we have better ways of delivering this content, are we looking at the virtual conference instead of the live conference, or at the very least do we have that as our fallback alternative? Do we have a platform ready to go? Can we pivot and do that if we have to change? There’s a huge benefit to having these things in person, but you know, like they showed at South by Southwest, they’re losing a ton of money, people are getting laid off, there’s a cost and a horrible, horrible expense not just in terms of money too when you cancel these things.
So, being able to have something planned otherwise, I think is going to be something that TECHSHOW and other groups are going to have to be thinking about in the future. I just don’t think that it’s sustainable to assume that everything is going to be in-person from now on.
Dennis Kennedy: Yeah, I don’t know we’ve ever seen anything close to the level of cancellations of events that we’re seeing now or basically whole months of events are taking out or that conferences even two months from now are already being canceled, and in some cases with the financing or the finances of conferences, you just don’t know whether they’ll come back because some of them run pretty close to the edge. So I think it is legitimate to say, I think we definitely need to look at web backup, instead of canceling an event can we turn it to a web event? So that’s something out there.
I’ve always felt that you could run these events parallel with making live streaming, or even delayed recordings of sessions available. I’m definitely way in the minority on that, but that’s something that I like, and then also I attend webinars on a regular basis, and it’s a great way to get content. A lot of times I don’t have to be there live, I can download the recording later, listen to it at my leisure, and I really like that approach.
I mean, Tom, you guys made fun of me and how I wanted to have my badge at TECHSHOW, have a ribbon that said, “No Handshakes, No Hugs” but I think that when you’re in this kind of environment there are concerns about being in that bigger group of people and I think the technology is there, and we talked in the last episode about Zoom where the technology is starting to become really reliable and really friendly to use and as the law schools that I’m with, and law schools country are looking at online going to online teaching of classes which I’m guessing will be in effect by the time people — potentially even by the time people hear this podcast, there are some options out there.
So, I don’t know, Tom, I always feel like I’m the radical on moving things to web, certainly on a parallel basis, but I don’t know if you have reactions to that.
Tom Mighell: Well, I mean, my first reaction is, being the big Microsoft team’s fan that I am, one of the great features that they have that I haven’t been able to use yet is that they have the capability to host live events and I’d love to try that out, but I think that what’s going to make this challenging is moving to an online platform for conferences can be very — has the advantages that you talk about but it takes away the one big advantage of in-person interactivity. We’re going back to just listening to people speaking with very little interaction.
So, where I really think the interesting part is going to be, is the innovation that’s going to come from this. These types of things generate innovative ideas and are we going to be able to come up with a way to meet online to make it interactive, to make it feel like you’re there in-person and you’re not missing out on the personal experience? I think that’s the challenge of doing that, and I’m frankly kind of excited to see where this goes.
Dennis Kennedy: Well, I think you’re right, Tom, that’s where the innovation could happen because we realize that the constraints that we’re going to have and what’s potentially the drawback is the in-person interaction, but if we focus on that we say, well, how can we address that? You start to say, well, we can do chat, we could do live chat, we can do surveys, we can get better feedback, we can have people ask questions so the presenters can do it. So every time that we do a webcast I see the benefit of these tools. We could do sort of like pre-sessioned stuff in groups, we could do like discussions that come afterward like an ongoing community. So you are limiting the in-person, but there may be some other things, and as special as we move more to video those may be acceptable trade-offs. So there may be some benefits that are acceptable and then they make the actual in-person experiences when they happen even better because more people know each other from what’s happened before.
So, I don’t know, Tom, we probably should wrap it up, but I guess that we might as well confess I think both of us have talked from time-to-time about whether there should be a Kennedy-Mighell Report, Legal-Tech web conference or a Legal Talk Network web conference and it just seems more-and-more attractive as something to experiment. So I guess that obviously, Tom, you and I wouldn’t do that ourselves, but if people in the audience or even sponsors were interested, I’d say that’s an experiment both of you and I might like to run.
Tom Mighell: Well, I mean, frankly the Legal Talk Network people are listening to us right now and I would say that I’d be honored to speak or be part of a web conference that the whole Legal Talk Network faculty of podcast host would be part of, I think that’d be fantastic. So sign me up, but right now we’re going to head on to our second segment, but before we do that let’s take a quick break for a message from our sponsor.
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Tom Mighell: And now let’s get back to The Kennedy-Mighell Report. I am Tom Mighell.
Dennis Kennedy: And I am Dennis Kennedy. I was doing some live twitting from the recent Women of Legal Tech Summit, which was the day before TECHSHOW and was just a fantastic event, and so a couple of things. So first of all, my hat is off to those who do live tweeting regularly. It’s super-hard work and doing it made me notice actually what quotes get tweeted from presentations as I tried to live tweet and then I saw what other people were doing. So because of the Twitter, character limitation, these quotes could often be incomplete and they’re done on the fly and they can make the speaker look, well, kind of a little obvious sort of — you might see a tweet this is something like Dennis Kennedy says, “The world is changing” and you go like, ah, that’s not really what I wanted to get captured from what I was saying and it certainly seems like I’m a master of the obvious.
So it got me thinking about what you can do as a speaker when you know you are being live tweeted, and Tom, that actually took me back to something we did as an experiment for a presentation maybe 10 years ago, so where each of us — our slides had a phrase of fewer than 140 characters on it and was intended to be tweetable and it was an experiment that I think actually worked. So I thought we talk a little bit about whether that’s still good tactic, are there other tactics that people might consider or should we as presenters just let tweeters say what they want and let the chips fall where they may?
Tom Mighell: Well, I don’t have a ton of great advice here because I think there’s a certain point where you can’t control what someone is going to say on Twitter, no matter how brilliant your presentation is or how sterling the comments that you make during that presentation, but I think there’s a couple of things. I mean, I think what you mentioned that you put enough text on a slide that someone can copy down into a tweet because oftentimes like you mentioned, it’s hard to live tweet during a presentation. Somebody is struggling so hard both to listen to you and to put it into a tweet. I still don’t see how people really time for that, but I think that’s part of the reason why people tend to glom on to a phrase that’s familiar to them. It’s easy to say the world is changing.
But if you have something that they can type directly on your slide then they can just look at your slide, and boom, there it is. You’re controlling the narrative at that point. Although, I realize, Dennis, having any text on a slide must cause you a little bit of heartburn. So, I don’t know that that might be the way you choose to go. I think second — this is the harder piece, but as you’re thinking about your topic, why not try and say things that don’t sound very obvious. I mean, it’s 2020, don’t say the cloud is the future for where we’re going to store documents.
I mean, I was at TECHSHOW, I heard people at TECHSHOW say that, from the podium. Don’t say that, pretty obvious stuff to say, even to a novice audience, that’s a pretty obvious thing to say. People come to watch you so you can tell them something they don’t know or they never thought about. So make sure you put it that way and that’s one way to avoid it. I don’t know that I have any better advice on that. Dennis, do you have anything in addition to what I’ve said?
Dennis Kennedy: In a way I look at it as sometimes it’s feedback — it’s a feedback loop for you because you see what people decided is important or they sometimes don’t quite get the point that you were making so that can be helpful as you put your presentations together. I think as you said, you kind of wanted to avoid things that are super-obvious and then also when you’re expressing complex thoughts it’s pretty easy for those to get kind of misstated.
So that’s where I think this slide thing can be really good because especially if somebody can just snap a photo of you and then on your slide it has exactly the point that you want to make and that’s what they tweet, then that’s going to be a good thing. But it’s hard enough doing presentations right since you’re trying to figure out ways to reach your audience that’s there and then if you say, oh, there’s also an online audience and then it also the Twitter audience, it’s going on at the same time then as a speaker it becomes more complex. But I think the live-tweeting thing is something that a lot of people like to see if they can’t attend so everything that you can do to make it easier for people who are doing that is a good thing, and if you can kind of help — basically edit what they’re tweeting in your own way by what you present, I think is potentially a great thing.
So, now it’s time for our parting shots, that one tip website or observation you can use the second this podcast ends. Tom, take it away — oh, wait we’re switching.
Tom Mighell: We are switching this time, you first. So I had a recent experience to make the long story short. I needed to have a replacement battery in my MacBook, some more repairs were required and basically I had to restore a whole — everything I had to a new hard drive, and so I was feeling good because I have all these backups. Several physical backups, online backups and I realized the importance of actually testing what you have because it was not as easy as I thought, it reminded me how long it takes to do this and then surprisingly to me and some of the online backups what I expected would be there because I uploaded stuff manually in some cases, wasn’t there. So it was really a kind of an enlightening experience and I think the takeaway is that it — people sometimes said it this way. Your backup isn’t done until you’ve tested it, but I think that from time-to-time and maybe it’s at the beginning of the year I don’t think you have to go overboard on this. It just be good to kind of check and make sure that what you have is there, and Tom, I think I told you this, now I don’t feel as silly as I once did that. I probably have half a dozen different backups because it helped me out on this one.
Dennis Kennedy: Well, and my tip, when I saw that you were going to do that tip, I thought, I have a backup story too, or maybe I should say, a lack of backup story, not related to my business or the practice of law but here’s another lesson around backups. I am part of a charity event that we do here in Dallas called BarNone, a bunch of lawyers singing and dancing and making money for charity. We have a great time June 17th through 20th, those of you who are in Dallas, but we have a website and I will update the website. I maintain the content on the website, but I don’t own the domain and I don’t have the control panel and I don’t have whether I can get to the files but those really — it’s really not any of my stuff that I’m doing and about maybe eight or nine months ago we got an email that said that the host was moving servers and I didn’t get that notification, the other person who owns it got that notification, and then this other person happened to notice that website wasn’t there anymore about a month ago.
Tom, we wanted to go take a look, so I went and take a look and not only is it not there but none of the files are there. The files are completely gone and I’m like, well, where’s the backup for the website? Well, there’s no backup.
So when you’re thinking about stuff to backup, backup your website as well because you never know when things can happen, you never know when things can go wrong. Fortunately, we can reconstruct it pretty easily here because we’re just five or six pages, it’s just a non-profit website to advertise a show and we can do it pretty simply, but your website is who you are as a lawyer and a firm, and if you’re not keeping a backup of that and something happens in and even inadvertently you’re going to be spending a lot of time and a lot of money putting that all back together.
Tom Mighell: So that wraps it up for this edition of The Kennedy-Mighell Report. Thank you for joining us on the podcast. You can find Show Notes for this episode on the Legal Talk Network’s page for this podcast episode. If you like what you hear, please subscribe to our podcast in iTunes or on the Legal Talk Network site where you can find archives of all of our previous podcasts with transcripts.
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