Dennis and Tom’s Holiday Tech Favorites

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The Kennedy-Mighell Report

Tech Pet Peeves

11/27/2017

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Intro: Web 2.0, Innovation, Trend, Collaboration, Software, Metadata… Got the world turning as fast as it can, here how technology can help, legally speaking with two of the top legal technology experts, authors and lawyers Dennis Kennedy and Tom Mighell. Welcome to The Kennedy Mighell Report here on the Legal Talk Network.

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Dennis Kennedy: And welcome to episode 202 of The Kennedy-Mighell Report. I am Dennis Kennedy in St. Louis.

Tom Mighell: And I am Tom Mighell in Dallas.

Dennis Kennedy: In our last episode we went back to the future and discussed document assembly and why lawyers should take a fresh look at it. People often tell us that we seem to be technology cheerleaders and just like everything au contraire we each have some tech pet peeves and Tom used to do a regular podcast segment called Tom’s Rant in which he ranted about something in tech that just drove him crazy. We both had a few things recently that have really bugged us and we have decided to air those and see if you agree.

Tom, what’s all on our agenda for this episode?

Tom Mighell: Well, Dennis, in this edition if The Kennedy-Mighell Report we will indeed be letting some steam off and ranting about some of our biggest technology pet peeves. In our second segment, we will talk about a great tip that we got on our listener voicemail about our recent document assembly podcast, and as usual, we will finish up with our parting shots, that onetip, website or observation that you can start to use the second that this podcast is over.

But, first, technology annoyances, I am — you are right, we used to have a segment and I want to say that it wasn’t really called Tom’s Rant, I want to say it was just called The Rant, but it seemed like there was always something get me going and I have kind of mellowed out I think. But maybe it’s just that everything has built up that there are things that get us about technology about whether it doesn’t work or whether the people around us don’t use it the way they should or whatever it happens to be and so I thought this was a great idea for a podcast that we just sort of let some steam off, talk about some of the things that bother us about technology, and then maybe follow that up the next podcast was something a little more enlightening and optimistic, what do you think, Dennis? What’s been bugging you lately?

Dennis Kennedy: Well, first on my lists, Google Maps, and especially for walking directions when I am travelling.

Tom Mighell: Oh, I have no idea how much that bothers.

Dennis Kennedy: Oh my God, this is — so I have been on three trips recently and like the worst part of every trip was my Google Maps experience. And, you know, there is even part of me to say, well, you know, maybe it’s my fault, maybe I am doing something wrong by just putting in the starting point and the ending point and not being able to figure out what’s happening. But I was with other people and we end up going in the wrong direction and having trouble finding where we were. And I was in London recently, I actually wished I would have just had a paper map at some points, but it’s just the weirdest thing because you will be walking along and — actually there’s like three or four times it said you have arrived at your destination, I would go like my destination is nowhere around here, and then I would be like redo it, just put in like my current location to the starting point I wanted and it would go like, oh, it’s 0.3 miles away, I am like, I don’t even understand what’s going on here. This is no help to me. This is as close as I have come to just saying, look, just give me a paper map and go forward with it.

So, I don’t know, I mean, a lot of people seem to like Google Maps, it makes me feel like they use it in cars or something, but walking, oh my God, it’s just the worst thing. So that’s my big one these days and I don’t know that there is a great answer there, but I am just anything I can do to move away from Google Maps especially while I am walking. And then the other thing I would say is that it does this weird thing where I just think the big improvement would be if it just tell you like right away that you are walking in the wrong direction —

Tom Mighell: That is exactly it, that’s it because I was going to say that the problem you described is not the problem that I have, it’s when I first started out the arrow in your — it just kind of floats and it doesn’t float in exactly the right direction and you can start walking and then you are half a block down or a block down and all of a sudden you realize, oops, I walked in the wrong way and everybody has to turn around. And it is – yeah, that’s the worst part is that it doesn’t have any certainty, it doesn’t feel the car maps is a good, I think a good solid product and being able to navigate in a car, that’s great, but when you are walking, it just doesn’t feel very confident of where you are, just can’t pinpoint you down to the foot where you happen to be.

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Dennis Kennedy: Well, also like the time is telling you it takes you to get to where you are going, it always seems like it’s moving around, you are like, oh, I am only four minutes away and then you are like walk another couple of blocks, you go like, oh, I am only seven minutes away, and so it’s like, I don’t — I don’t get it, but anyway, I actually spent a day in London walking 15 miles total and most of the time Google Maps had me confused most of the way I travelled, so it probably added a couple of miles on to my walking that day. So Tom, what do you have?

Tom Mighell: Alright, so mine is actually more about tech journalists than anything else and this has been getting under my skin for a while now, and it kind of bubbled over in the past month or so. If you have been reading the news or even if you haven’t, all the new phones have come out, I am as most people who listen to this podcast know a big Android fan and especially of the Google Pixel, I was very excited about getting the new Google Pixel and I had ordered it and it was in the mail when suddenly stories started coming out about problems with. It looks like — the screen look like kind of blue if you turn it a certain way and there was screen burning that shouldn’t be there that early and maybe the speakers make this weird screeching noise if you try and record audio and suddenly journalists were withdrawing their reviews and saying, you really shouldn’t buy a phone like this, and I got my phone and it was just fine. I have no problems with it.

But, even if I did have problems with it, Google immediately came out and tried to make it as right as they could, they fixed by software everything they could fix and if you still have problems they will replace your phone for free, no questions asked. And Google is trying to get in the hardware business and all right, they are going to stumble a little bit, another company had phones that exploded all the time, and they are doing just fine right now, but it’s amazing how journalists go crazy about something like this, and I think that they can really influence people in a way that’s not really helpful or useful about whether the technology is still worth having or purchasing.

The other thing I will talk about with journalists is, is that they seem to live in a bubble that use for which people will have with technology only applies to the things that they do as journalist. And so, they all talk about how, oh, really, you only need an iPad to be productive, you don’t really need to do anything else, they don’t recognize that the huge number of people who work in companies, that live in spreadsheets all the time, that actually have structured databases and systems and they talk about things as if they really only need to have a good note-taking app on their iPad and that’s all anybody really needs to be productive in their job, and it’s really very frustrating because they seem to not really take into consideration how other people live or use technology and maybe I am just listening to the wrong tech journalist or reading the wrong tech journalist, but it just seems like they are not helpful to the average tech user.

Dennis Kennedy: Well, I also think that people want to file these reviews and draw traffic from the beginning, so they are always —

Tom Mighell: That’s part of it too, yeah.

Dennis Kennedy: — nitpicking something and somebody had this great idea, I mean, this is totally impractical but I like the idea that you would actually review phones after you’d had it for a year or so, because then that you would actually know something about it, because —

Tom Mighell: And some people do that I have seen some reviews where they said, six months in or three months in or something like that, I have seen those reviews and I give some of those people credit for that sort of thing, but I still don’t think that most journalists get a pass on that.

Dennis Kennedy: Yeah, and early software reviews I think are also — or app reviews are also that way because you get exactly what you are talking about is that somebody has their own perspective of things, like you know what I do when we talk about things, but then they sort of universalize that, you go like, well, actually what they are talking about doesn’t matter to me one bit.

Tom Mighell: Alright, Dennis, what’s up for you?

Dennis Kennedy: So, this one comes up a lot because I am no Skype calls and conferences calls, voice over IP, which is just the best example of this, but it’s when people kind of give you the, like, I think this is a user error, I don’t think you know what you are doing when this happens. So if you are on a conference call and then your network connection is really bad, I mean obviously it is not user error, it’s like a network issue. So I find all these things. You go like, hey, my computer crashed when I did this, it’s like, well, you must have done something wrong. I am like, no. There is really nothing you can do this wrong. It’s going to crash your computer and there is nothing that you can do that’s going to cause a blue screen to death on a Windows machine. So I don’t really feel that’s operator error.

But I think that there is a kind of this thing where you go, I don’t know, you could say, to me every call I am on, every conference call I am on, it always seems like somebody has an issue, and I am not going like, oh my God, this person just does not know how to use Skype because they sound terrible or they are dropping the calls or something.

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So I think that — I just find that people have a lot — they are really impatient and they have a tendency to say, oh, this is something you are not doing right, so it’s a user error, which can be the case with some things, but sometimes you have got to step back and go like, hey, look, it’s not a user error, there’s just a system problem or a network problem and you need to give people a little bit of a break.

Tom Mighell: I think that there are way too many ways that users can mess up a Skype call that it becomes easy to also blame the actual technology issues on the user as well, but I think you are right, I think that there are a lot of — it’s become sort of the fashionable thing to say that if something goes wrong with technology, it’s because somebody really just doesn’t know how to use it, or they are using it improperly.

And unfortunately, I mean I would like for that to be the case. I would like for technology to work perfectly and all the time, but that’s really not realistic at this point, so I wish people would give others a break a little bit more often or at least think through what they are actually saying when they are blaming poor network quality on the user.

All right, so my next one, actually you preemptively brought it up in your last rant and, that is the Blue Screen of Death, and I never thought that in 2017 I would really be talking about it, because Microsoft has improved Windows so much, in my opinion, to the fact where I thought the Blue Screen of Death was a thing of the past, and I have been a big fan of the Surface devices that Microsoft has put out. But I am really starting to believe that they have some hardware issues that need to get fixed because I have never had so many Blue Screens of Death since — I don’t know, Windows 95, what was after that, Windows Vista. I continually get Blue Screens of Death on my Surface laptop.

In fact, today I was on a conference call, on a video call, and all of a sudden Blue Screen of Death completely shut down my whole computer. I lost everything that was on it and I had to start over again on a document that I was doing.

I don’t know why that is. I don’t know why Windows can’t get that stuff right, it doesn’t make sense to me. And for that matter, I am also noticing, I tie this together loosely because they are both Microsoft products is I have the Excel version on Office 365 and I notice that it crashes constantly. And I don’t know if that could be user error, for all I know, but I don’t think that it is, and it is constantly having problems and having to restart. I don’t save it often enough and I lose data.

And I don’t know if it’s a quality control issue that Microsoft is having with these now and that there’s something going on, but I have got to say, I have been a Windows and a Microsoft fan because they do things that tend to be getting better, but this is just not better.

Dennis Kennedy: I had the Windows Surface thing, where I was — I just brushed my finger against the screen, actually while I was on a Skype call and got the Blue Screen of Death and somebody said, well, what did you do to cause that? I literally did nothing to cause it, believe me, if like touching your finger to the touchscreen causes a Blue Screen of Death, then I admit that I am guilty of that, that I could have caused that.

Tom Mighell: Well, I will say I have gotten a couple of blue screens while I was scrolling with my finger, while I was swiping, and so I think there might be something to that. There is something in the video drivers that can’t handle the swiping, but that’s not user error, that’s — it’s — you are doing what you are supposed to be doing, they built it so you can swipe on the screen.

So no matter whether you touch it intentionally or not, that’s not something that should be happening.

Dennis Kennedy: Okay, so my next one is iPhone charger cords, and I probably have a dozen of them in the house and I never know whether one is going to work or not, and I sort of end up buying it in packs of threes, and I am thinking about buying them in packs of sixes. So they tend to fray, sometimes they don’t work, sometimes you need to use them with an adapter, sometimes you can put them in a USB slot. I never know what to expect. They fray a lot.

There was a great — I forget who did this, but it was just great where they said — they talk about Steve Jobs and how he wants everything to be perfect and that the device has to be perfect, and they were showing like the USB charger cord that was all frayed near the end and I am just going, yeah, that’s the problem with these things.

And so I don’t know what the deal is and maybe it does come down to the fact that you are buying cheap power cords and that becomes part of the problem, but I have dozen things like with the Kevlar, the special coding and stuff and they will fray or they will stop working, and it’s just kind of a bigger hassle than it needs to be.

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And I guess, Tom, I know the part of your answer and part of my answer I hope in the future is going to be this wireless charging, but I just never know what to expect with these cords anymore.

Tom Mighell: Actually my answer is going to be, go to Android, because the cords that I use; I actually use Google cords and they are I think, extremely high quality. I haven’t had any fraying issues in years with this, actually since I have gone to Android. I use either the Google cords or Anker has some good cords.

For those of you who are on Android devices, there’s a guy out there; I will see if I can find the link, who regularly tests them to make sure that they are good quality, good charging cords. But I will tell you, that’s something that I really can’t share in that particular rant because I haven’t had that issue since I gave up my iPhone a long time ago.

All right, so I am going to rant about, it’s another people issue, but it has to do with technology and it has to do with using email. I think on this podcast, Dennis, you and I have talked on many occasions about how email is a collaboration tool, but it’s probably not the collaboration tool we choose if we had the chance to use something different.

I am starting to use different tools in different places with people to collaborate, but I am finding that even when you go in to use those tools, they still want to talk to you in email and still want to have conversations in email. And I am going to give an example, I am going to leave the name out, because Dennis, you and I both know this person, but I belong to a group, we are using a Slack account for our communications.

I posted two major things and said, here’s what I have done. I have done X, Y & Z. I did some edits to a document, and I formatted the document in a certain way and I explained here’s why I did it and here’s what you are seeing when you look at that, and I put that into Slack. And probably about ten days later one of the people in the group emails me and he says, I just looked at the document, it’s got all these mistakes in it, what’s going on Tom? I mean, why did you do it this way, why did you format it in this particular way?

And my response to him was to cut and paste out of it all of the stuff that I had put into Slack and to email it to him and there was not any recognition that there was using this other thing. It drives me crazy, if we choose a tool, I want to use the tool, and maybe I am being a little authoritarian about the whole thing, and maybe that’s unrealistic of me to expect that that happens, but I feel like if we are trying to be more productive by using a single tool, then by gosh, we ought to stay on the same tool.

Dennis Kennedy: I think that that is a big one, and I was just thinking how like what we have done recently in doing the second edition of our Collaboration book, I can’t even remember the last time that we sent an email to each other in connection with the book.

Tom Mighell: Very rarely. If we are talking to other people, that’s the only time.

Dennis Kennedy: Yeah, so my last one is probably the most controversial one, but I have just started to get tired of lawyers who still don’t want to learn tech. I mean it’s like 2017, almost 2018, there’s a thing that I have been hearing a lot too is that lawyers say, oh, this whole thing with data analytics and stuff like that, I don’t do math. I went to law school because I don’t want to do math and this data stuff, it’s too much like math.

And I am just kind of like I don’t get it, because the stuff is not that hard to learn and I can’t really say like, oh, some area of law changed since I went to law school, so I am not going to bother to learn it because I don’t do that.

So when I was in law school the condominium movement was just kind of starting, especially in Washington DC, and I sort of feel like, some lawyer would go like, wait a second, I am not learning this condominium stuff. I know real property, I know buying houses and I know renting and this condo stuff, forget it, I am not going to learn it.

And so, you would never do that in substantive law. And then talk about the tools that you actually use and so I just don’t — it just boggles my mind these days to hear lawyers saying, I can’t learn that, I don’t want to learn that, I am still happiest when we were back before we did this technology, give me a legal pad and a pen, or the good old US mail. I have heard all that stuff recently and I just go like, it’s sad to me.

I know, Tom, you and I sometimes have this different approach, where you are like, no, we would need to teach people these things, and I am like, no, I kind of feel like it’s time to leave these people behind, and so maybe we will talk about that in a future podcast.

But God, lately when I hear people who don’t want to learn technology with the stuff that’s starting to happen right now in technology and the impact it’s going to have, it just blows my mind.

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Tom Mighell: Well, so you are ranting about me to a certain extent, because being the liberal arts major that I was, I really don’t want to learn about data analytics, it is hard to me, it is something that my mind just doesn’t completely wrap around, but what I am thinking of when you are ranting like this is, the Dilbert cartoon that came out, gosh, it has probably been about a week now, November 7 it came out, where a guy pops around the corner of the office to the Pointy-Haired Boss, he says, I see you are off the phone, can I pop in and ask a quick question? And the boss says, yes, but only if it’s quick. Oh, it will be quick. Okay, make it quick. And the guy asked the question, what is Blockchain and how will it influence our strategy across all product lines?

And I thought that’s exactly how I feel about Blockchain is that’s not a quick question and it’s not a quick answer, but I want a quick answer to that. And yeah, I know there’s a video you can point me to that will teach me about Blockchain in two minutes, and I get that, but this is one area where I sort of feel a little bit of sympathy for those who don’t want to learn about it, and it’s not that I don’t, it’s that it’s hard. I think it is hard to learn. And for someone whose recurring nightmare is waking up on the morning of a final exam for a class I didn’t go to all semester, just the thought of having to learn something new is — it’s not really terrifying to me, but it’s not the thing that I want to do as I get older.

And I guess there’s that old dog new tricks thing, but I do think that there’s a point to say, if we plan as lawyers to remain competitive and provide as good a service as we can to our clients, I think it really does pay that we learn as much as we can. So I sort of grudgingly get your rant and we will accept it at least for the time being.

Dennis Kennedy: And just to remind you of the opinion you have of the people who wouldn’t learn Slack just a few minutes ago.

Tom Mighell: No, it’s not that they won’t learn Slack; it’s that they won’t use Slack. I am okay with people who don’t want to learn Slack because I will, like you said, I will bring them along slowly and teach them how to do it. It’s the people who refuse to use it because they believe that email is the superior tool. Totally different. Completely different subject there.

So all right, my last rant is actually similar to yours, Dennis, but with a very — with a more specific thing, and that is, lawyers and people in general who don’t want to use Password Managers, it drives me absolutely crazy to hear my friends and lawyers in particular talk about the fact that it’s just so hard now. I have to know a separate password for every site and this site will only let me do a 12 word password, but this one is requiring 16 and this one will only let me do it without a symbol, but the other one I can do symbols on and it expects to have a symbol, and boy, my gosh, it’s so hard to keep track of all these and so I have three different passwords that I use for these sites.

And all I can say is, if you just have a Password Manager and learn how to use it, you never will complain about this again. I don’t have these complaints. I go to the website. My Password Manager fills it in for me. It’s easy. It works both on the web, it works on my phone. I never have to remember a single password and it just blows my mind how aggravated people get about passwords, but yet they refuse to do the one thing that it will take to solve that problem.

Dennis Kennedy: And people also have a similar attitude toward multifactor authentication, which is probably the safest way to navigate the Internet these days, and people are like, oh, I don’t want to do this, because then I have got to get a text or this sort of thing. I am going, look at all the security compromises out there, take your choice. I mean, multifactor is just such an obvious thing to do and people resist it like nothing else.

Tom Mighell: Well, like you say — like you said before we started recording the podcast, it may be that a year from now everything will be face ID and we don’t have to remember another password again, so maybe that’s what all my friends are holding out for is the day when we are in a post password era and maybe they will have the last laugh on me.

Dennis, anything to wrap it up or are we ready to move on?

Dennis Kennedy: No, I think we can move on. Do you want to take it away?

Tom Mighell: Let’s move on, but let me just say that if you thought this was sort of our negative episode, stay tuned for the next episode, we will be talking about something a little bit more uplifting, a little bit more thankful and we will have a lot of fun with that episode as well.

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Dennis Kennedy: And now let’s get back to The Kennedy-Mighell Report, I am Dennis Kennedy.

Tom Mighell: And I am Tom Mighell. We love to make our B segment available to people who have questions. We have got a number, as you remember, for our special voice mailbox for you to leave audio questions or make suggestions for topics; that number is (720) 441-6820, that’s (720) 441-6820, we would love to use your question in our B segment in a future episode.

We actually for this B segment have a response to our last podcast about Document Assembly with a great tip, so let’s go to the tape for that tip.

Melissa Church: Hi. My name is Melissa Church. This really isn’t a question, it’s more of a comment on your recent episode on Document Assembly. You mentioned HotDocs and the high price of developing templates. I think it would behoove many of the users if you would mention the HotDocs Marketplace where there are pre-developed templates for — that are priced often at a level where a solo small firm can buy in and get the advantage of the very highly logical coding that goes into developing the templates for HotDocs Market.

As far as Document Assembly programs go, HotDocs does seem to have a far more robust logic capabilities, and I think it’s important for solo and small firms to know that they can get professionally developed templates at an affordable price at a HotDocs Market. You can reach me at (803) 327-4600. Thank you.

Tom Mighell: I think it’s a really great tip that we actually — I will say for me, totally forgot about when we were talking about Document Assembly.

Dennis, do you have any experience with that HotDocs Market?

Dennis Kennedy: I don’t, but I also know that we had somebody associated with HotDocs Marketplace also leave us a voicemail about it, and I think it’s — I just think it’s a terrific idea, because the thing about Document Assembly that we talked about is trying to eliminate our reduced friction and so the fact that you could use templates or approaches that basically do some of the common things that you want to do that are made available to you or that you can tweak a little bit really max down the learning curve and can give you something to start with right away, so you can start to see some benefits or do some practice with it or see how it might help you.

I think if you get — when you look at the HotDocs type of training, I think it can really feel overwhelming. I mean, you see the benefit, but you kind of see how to do it, it can seem like it’s more than you want to get into. So I think to have something like this marketplace, really if people start to use it will move us forward in Document Assembly.

And so I think it’s a great thing, as you said, Tom, it’s a great tip that we probably should have covered in the podcast.

Tom Mighell: Yup. What I really love about this is all the templates are already customized to use with HotDocs, which is I think the benefit of this market. You get templates that fit your own state requirements and you don’t have to do a thing basically, but the marketplace itself is actually a couple of different things.

You can purchase a subscription to a bundle of templates for your state. So for example, the New Jersey bundle offers you 544 templates for $344 a year, which is for — I mean that’s $0.60 a year, $0.60 per document that you get. I think that’s an amazing price to get a template that you hopefully are going to use multiple times in your practice.

You can also actually become a publisher. You can publish and sell your own forms online if you want. Most of the providers now are professional publishers, but I don’t know that they prevent anybody from publishing their own templates as long as they meet certain criteria.

Now, we just learned today as we are recording that HotDocs has been purchased by a new company, so not sure whether that will affect the marketplace going forward, but right now there’s more than 10,000 templates in 27 different bundles. I mean frankly there are some states that have over a thousand templates, which I have got to believe is anything that a lawyer would ever need to have a template for, and I think that’s really a no-brainer to use HotDocs and subscribe to these bundles to start making use of this Document Assembly.

Dennis Kennedy: Yeah. So I think if you already own HotDocs and haven’t quite figured out what to do with it, this is the place, the HotDocs Marketplace is the place to go next to and then I think that will help you get moving forward with your projects.

So now it’s time for our parting shots, that one tip, website, or observation you can use the second this podcast ends. Tom, take it away.

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Tom Mighell: All right, I have a couple of quick parting shots. The first is, is that we are recording this about a week or two after the iPhone X was released and for some reason the notch that appears at the top of the screen, the dark space that you don’t actually see when the rest of the screen is lit up seems to be a point of some controversy.

And so what’s been interesting to me is that over the past week or so apps have appeared in the Apple App Store to try and deal with the notch, including one app called Notch Remover, which basically makes the whole top of your screen dark. And this is actually approved by Apple, so you can actually change the aesthetic of the iPhone X and it’s approved by Apple.

There is another one called Nacho, which I thought was kind of a funny name, that allows you to create your own wallpaper that takes away the notch. So if you are an iPhone X user and that notch is getting to you, then there is help for you in the App Store.

And because I can’t seem to let an episode go by without talking about headphones or speakers, here is my regular speaker update. I just actually today in the mail got my pair of the Google Pixel Buds, which have the Translator built directly into them and the Google Assistant built into them. They are an interesting pair of headphones. They are a little more expensive than I would like, $159, but you can actually have the Google Translator translate directly into your ears as someone else is talking and speaking a different language, and I think that that’s going to be the killer feature for these particular ear buds that you can travel to a foreign country and have somebody speak into your phone and in your ears you are going to have stuff translated as if you are at the United Nations or something like that.

I am really intrigued by these and I am going to be looking forward to using them, the Google Pixel Ear Buds are available at the Google Store online.

Dennis Kennedy: So Tom, in your will have you named a special executor for speakers and headphones?

Tom Mighell: I don’t keep them all. I make bequest of them frequently after I am done using them.

Dennis Kennedy: Okay. I have two, also quick one. So one is the Chrome Extension, so it’s a library extension I think is all it is called. And what it does is when you are looking at books say on Amazon or any of the other book stores, it lets you do like a quick check to see if it’s available at your public library, either as a regular book or as an eBook. And so if you are not sure you want to spend $30 on a book and it’s in your library, it’s a great way to save money. So cool thing, just an extension you can put into Chrome Browser.

The second one is just a great little podcast about half an hour on cybersecurity in the cybersecurity industry, and the podcast is called Danny In The Valley, and the episode is with someone named Orion Hindawi, who is at a cybersecurity company called Tanium. And the title of the episode says “This is a snake-oil industry”.

And it’s great for a number of reasons because Orion goes through a lot of security basics, talks about the history of the cybersecurity business, sort of what’s coming down the pike, what has worked, what hasn’t, some of the things that we haven’t changed, and just a 30 minute intro to where things are, current state of cybersecurity. This is — it was just a really excellent introduction I feel.

So if cybersecurity is an interest of yours, you have got a half an hour to spend, this episode of Danny In The Valley podcast is a great starting point.

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