Clio founder talks $1B acquisition of vLex and upcoming Clio Cloud Conference

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Announcer:

Welcome to the ABA Journal Legal Rebels Podcast, where we talk to men and women who are remaking the legal profession, changing the way the law is practiced, and setting standards that will guide us into the future.

Victor Li:

When Clio announced it had acquired global legal research platform VL for 1 billion in June, it was the latest in the series of big moves from the cloud-based practice management software company. Thanks to this deal, Clio now boasts near start to finish capabilities, allowing IT users to rely on the platform for almost all matters relating to legal practice and law firm management. You can use Clio for intake research, drafting, case management, communications, accounting and motion practice and billing among other things. The deal also caps a period of several years where Clio has grown tremendously and was valued at 3 billion as of last year. Recently, they have acquired UK based AI platform share do as well as document automation software law. They’ve even sponsored the Vancouver conducts of the NHL. It’s certainly a far cry from their beginnings when they debuted a tech show in 2008 with just a table and some laptops in a simple banner.

My name is Victor Li and I’m assistant managing editor for the A B ABA Journal. My guest today is Jack Newton, co-founder and CEO of Clio. Jack is here to talk today about what we can expect from the company moving forward, as well as general issues relating to ai. He’s also here to talk about the Clio Cloud conference, which is scheduled for October 16th to the 17th at the Heinz Convention Center in Boston. And who knows, he might even buy this program and give this host a nice little signing bonus. Welcome to the show, Jack. Thanks for having me, Victor. So I gave a very brief elevator version of your bio. For listeners who might not know much about you, can you tell me a little bit about yourself and how you got into this area?

Jack Newton:

Yeah, absolutely. So my background is actually in technology. Victor, my education is in computer science, got a master’s degree in computer science specializing in machine learning, and actually worked back in the early two thousands on some of the technologies that are foundational to the large language models we see today. And in an alternate path of my life, I would’ve gone and done a PhD in machine learning. In fact, I was hair’s breadth away from pursuing a PhD with Jeff Hinton at the University of Toronto, but decided instead to go into industry. And I’ve always found the world of software and software startups. Fascinating. I started out right after wrapping up my master’s degree working at a spinoff of my university, a company called Genomics that was building life sciences software. And about five years into that journey got connected with Reconnected with my co-founder Ryan Goro, who I’d known since I was eight years old.

And Ryan helped us hone in on the legal industry as emerging and opportunity filled area for the application of technology. And this was around 2007. And what I saw at the time was how rapidly the cloud was emerging as a new technology platform and what a transformative impact the cloud could potentially have on legal. So Ryan and I got to work in March of 2008. We launched Clio at the A tech show in Chicago and had a tremendously positive response there. At the time, we were the very first cloud-based practice management platform and one of the very first cloud-based technologies in legal, and I think really helped usher in the era of cloud computing into legal. And 17 short years later, we’re now a global company. We have over 1500 employees. We’re still scaling extremely rapidly. We have customers in over 130 countries. We’re over $300 million in annual recurring revenue and have a much broader product footprint than we’ve ever had before.

And with this acquisition of V Lex for a billion dollars earlier this year, have really transformed the company into one of the very first companies to combine, well, one of the very first company to combine the practice of law and the business of law in a really innovative way and in a way that I think is very exciting with the age of ai. So I see after 17 years us really entering a really meaningful second chapter of Cleo’s growth journey, going from really helping usher in the age of cloud computing into legal, to now hopefully making AI broadly accessible and essential part of every lawyer’s daily workflow.

Victor Li:

Well, lemme ask you, I mean obviously with the cloud, that’s obviously a big transformative piece of technology and then generative AI as well. What are some parallels that you see between what you saw in 2000, 2007, 2008 as we were found in Clio with cloud computing and how the impact that generative AI has made in the legal industry during the time that it’s been available over the last few years? What are some things that you’ve seen that are common to both of them?

Jack Newton:

Well, what I would say is there’s a ton of parallels between the emergence of the cloud and the adoption of cloud computing and legal and the emergence of AI and the adoption cycle we’re seeing here. And one of my favorite sayings is history doesn’t repeat itself, but it does rhyme. And I do think we’re certainly seeing history rhyme with AI relative to how we saw things play out with cloud computing. What I would say though is that the timescale that adoption cycle is happening is compressed by order of magnitude. You can look at our legal trends report data when we look at the AI adoption cycle and hold that up against the adoption cycle we saw for cloud computing and look at the a, a surveys tracking the adoption of cloud computing, what took about a decade to happen in the cloud computing adoption cycle in terms of percentage of lawyers utilizing the technology and the time it took for 75% of lawyers to be embracing cloud computing.

We’re seeing that same adoption cycle happen in about 18 months with ai. So a dramatically compressed adoption cycle. And we see many of the same concerns we saw with cloud computing. There was concerns around security, there was concerns around ethics, there was concerns around privacy, there was concerns around how you undertake an appropriate level of due diligence on a cloud computing provider and what the terms of service mean and all that nuanced consideration that needs to be taken into account when you’re selecting a cloud computing provider. And we’re seeing exactly the same sets of considerations with ai, except I would say the stakes are really elevated. This isn’t just about where you’re storing your data and how you’re storing your data and whether it’s encrypted at rest for example, but this is actually about trusting intelligent technology to undertake legal work on your behalf. And the questions around how do you supervise that legal work, how do you make sure that you’re putting your stamp of approval on that work before it’s going out to a court or before it’s going out to a client?

How do you trust the technology? How do you mitigate the impact of hallucinations and so on? So there’s many of the same, I would describe macro level considerations, but the stakes have been elevated, again by an order of magnitude in terms of the potential impacts these technologies have on a lawyer’s work. So there’s many, many parallels between AI and cloud computing with two factors that I think make this feel like such a important moment in the evolution of technology. And that’s the combined impact of this compressed timeline of adoption combined with the elevated stakes. And I think that’s why we really feel like we’re in a crucible right now where there’s new technologies being discovered every day. There’s new applications of those technologies being undertaken every day. And it feels like the pace of change in innovation is unlike anything we’ve ever seen. And that’s because it really is unlike anything we’ve ever seen.

Victor Li:

So lemme ask about the VX deal. So how did this come about and how long has this been in the works for?

Jack Newton:

Well, I’d say in some shape or form, this deal has been in the works for over a decade. Ed Walters is a good friend of mine. Some of your listeners may recognize Ed as the founder and CEO of Fast Case, which was acquired by VLXA couple of years ago. And back when Fastcase was a standalone company, ed and I had frequent conversations about the combination of Clio and Fastcase and the kind of power that would unleash and what a great combination of capabilities Clio and Fastcase would represent. And that was all pre ai by the way. This was back in the era where we were just talking about the utility of integrating legal research into the day-to-day workflows that you were executing in your practice management software. Clio. What we saw over the course of the last two years post this v Lex acquisition is what a dramatically transformative impact generative AI had on Fast Case and v Lex.

And they developed a lot of really innovative technologies under the v Lex umbrella, in particular, their AI platform, Vincent, which has rapidly become one of the, if not the most well-regarded legal AI platforms. And when you combine this tremendous generative AI capability in the form of Vincent when it’s backed by the extensive legal database of over a billion legal documents that VL has as its collective corpus across over a hundred countries globally, this is a really, really powerful combination. And what I saw in VL was an unbelievably powerful combination with Clio, and it was just earlier this year that we began aggressively pursuing VEX for acquisition and the deal came together relatively quickly. We went from an initial conversation to a signed deal in less than three months.

Victor Li:

Oh wow. Okay. Yeah, I remember when I attended the Clio Cloud conference last year, I spoke with one of your engineers and I asked about, Hey, is legal research going to be something that you guys aren’t going to be getting into at some point? And he kind of got a little cryptic and it was just like, yeah, that’s something we’re looking into and whatnot. So I mean, I assume something like this has been in the works for a while, and actually I saw whenever I would see you and Ed Walters together at conferences, I always wondered, I’m like, Hmm, I wonder if we’re talking about merging or whatnot. But no, I I’m glad to see you guys together. I mean obviously like you said with that great guy, very smart, he’s actually one of the people I usually go to if I’m confused about something and I need someone to explain it to me. So

Jack Newton:

Yeah, Ed’s a fantastic guy and I’ve really gotten to know Luis and the Angel faus, the co-founders of V Lex really well over the course of the last six months on a pretty compressed time scale. But they’re brilliant businessmen and engineers and I think when you combine that with what Ed and Phil have built at Fast Case, it’s just an incredible brain trust and an incredible asset that not a lot of people appreciate. These guys have been building over the course of more than two decades. There’s not many people that have been in legal technology as long as I have 17 years into the game now. And Ed and Phil and Luis and Angel all have me beat on that front. So it’s just a fantastic combination. And above and beyond the technology and the so-called industrial logic of the deal, I think what you’re seeing come together in Clio and v Lex is a group of people that really care passionately about democratizing technology, democratizing data making transformative and impactful technology more readily accessible to all lawyers.

And when we think about cleo’s mission to transform the legal experience for all, I think the acquisition of V Lex has number one brought on board a set of founders and a set of employees that are deeply aligned to that mission. And what we’re all super excited about is we see how Clio helps VE accelerate and expand their impact. And we see how VLE dramatically accelerates cleo’s ability to realize its mission as well. So it’s a really exciting combination of people and mission and purpose that we’re going to accomplish really amazing things together and we couldn’t be more excited about it.

Victor Li:

Gotcha. I talked a little about this in the intro, but what does the user experience look like now for a typical Clio user now that VX is, hasn’t been fully integrated in yet, or there still things that need to be done?

Jack Newton:

Well, we’re working hard at integrating the two platforms. Something I should point out that is an important detail is the deal is signed, but it is not actually closed yet. So we are still not a combined company from a legal perspective, and we’re anticipating the regulatory approval that allows us to combine. And this is what we’re waiting on is the FDI in Spain. And vle is actually a Spanish company from a legal perspective, so that the FDI, which is the Spanish version of HSR, basically is still reviewing the deal and set to approve it sometime in the next month or two. So we’re expecting regulatory approval and closing to occur in October, and that will be when the deal is consummated and when you can expect to hear a lot more details about what the combined product offering will look like. But in a nutshell, what our joint customers can expect is a deeply integrated experience where the Vincent and VLE capabilities, the legal intelligence that Vincent is able to bring to bear, will be woven into every relevant aspect of Clio.

So we will be able to make your workflows in Clio dramatically more intelligent because we’re going to be putting the power of Vincent at your fingertips. And similarly, Vincent will be given the power and capabilities to have all the context that is embedded in your Clio platform, all the context that’s related to a specific matter, for example, and integrate that into Vincent so that it’s able to leverage all of that context and all of that information when you’re asking it questions and getting it to help you. For example, getting Vincent to help you draft a legal document, Vincent will be able to access all the relevant case details, all the relevant documents relating to that matter as you ask questions about that matter as Vincent helps you or as you help it, as the case might be flesh out a legal document to draft a legal document. So you’re going to have a deeply interconnected experience where we’re leveraging this incredible breadth and depth of information in the VLX platform and in the Vincent legal AI platform and make those capabilities accessible in many different access points within the Clio platform.

Victor Li:

Gotcha. And one thing that I was also curious about is that, and this doesn’t really pertain to you guys, but it’s just rule of thumb for whenever people are presenting their products on the vendor floors at these various trade shows and whatnot. I’m sure you’ve heard some variation of this too with all the conferences that you attend, is that always be wary of someone who’s offering a one size fits all solution or this can do everything for you and things like that? And obviously this is different because you guys are two completely established, established company, so are combining together. But what is it about this platform with combined capabilities that is different from your typical one size fits all solution?

Jack Newton:

Well, I think what’s different here is we’re not necessarily saying this is one size fits all. What we’re saying is customers want to have their data and their systems as integrated as possible. What I think is a universal truth is we all hate reentering data from one system into another. We hate it when one system doesn’t know about data that maybe it should know about that’s trapped in another system we’re utilizing. And that friction of switching between systems I think is something that really wears us down day after day and dramatically slows us down. And what we see with the age of AI is the need for these systems to be more deeply integrated and for your data to be accessible across your entire platform of tools is more essential than it’s ever been. And what we’ve always believed at Clio, and I think what has really been the foundation of so much of our success over the course of the last 17 years is that customers want one integrated system.

They want one system where their task list knows about their calendar and their calendar knows about their matters and their matters are linked to their documents. And all of that data is in one cohesive ecosystem where every bit of data is within reach and fully integrated with one another. And in the age of ai, what we see is you’re now layering intelligence on top of this. And our vision with this combined Clio and VL offering is to build the world’s first intelligent legal work platform where you are able to have your operating system in the form of Clio and have the productivity platform in the form of Vincent and VLE deeply integrated into that operating system. And in the same way that Microsoft Windows and Microsoft Office was a killer combination when it first hit the streets 20 plus years ago, we think this is a killer combination for the same reason because it integrates your operating system and your productivity platform and makes all the data embedded within that system accessible to every tool in that system.

So Vincent, being able to have, for example, access to all the documents relating to a matter and all the client communications relating to a matter when it’s helping you draft a response to a query from a client is enormously powerful and something that a standalone AI agent or platform would never be able to accomplish on its own. So what we’re seeing with the age of AI and the opportunity here is really that the sum of the individual parts is so much greater and we’re really seeing one plus one equals 10 kind of math happen when you bring together these AI platforms and the legal work platforms in the form of Clio together because it unlocks a huge opportunity that didn’t exist before and makes these incredibly powerful AI capabilities even more powerful than they would be on a standalone basis. So we think that’s what customers are hungry for and that’s what we think we’re unlocking in a really unique and powerful way when we combine with VLX.

Victor Li:

Gotcha. Before we continue, let’s take a quick break for a word from our sponsor and we’re back. So before the break, you were talking about Clio and v Lex and where things are heading and whatnot, and the power that Vincent brings to the existing platform. Can you talk a little bit about a agentic ai? I know it’s kind of a buzzword these days, a lot of people are talking about it, but it seems like based on what you were describing that the iTech AI capabilities might be where things are heading for you guys. Is that the case? And if so, if not then I mean, can you tell me whether or not I’m reading that correctly?

Jack Newton:

Yeah, A Gentech AI is definitely part of our roadmap and our future. What we see with a Gentech AI is really a natural evolution of the AI we utilize today on a day-to-day basis. But instead of needing to be prompted and nudged along at every step along the way with a text-based user interface like Chat g pt, AgTech, AI is going to be able to execute on our needs autonomously and we’re going to be able to have a agentic ai. And what you might think about as AI employees is maybe a useful reframe for people that are trying to put their arms around what ag agentic AI is all about that are able to execute work on our behalf. You’re going to have ag agentic AI that can go off and help do your calendaring for you and help set up your week and help schedule clients and do all sorts of stuff that you would’ve spent maybe hours a week doing yourself or maybe your assistant would be spending hours a week doing.

And AgTech AI will be able to execute that for you. AgTech AI will be able to help you with intake and help intake new clients and help decide who the best fit clients for your practice are. It’ll be able to help interview your potential clients via a web chat or over email and in the not distant future over a voice call. So these are all ways that we can think about AgTech AI really starting to give us superpowers because we’re going to be able to have a fleet of AI agents or AI employees doing work on our behalf. In the context of Vincent and VL, you’re going to be able to have ag agentic AI execute legal research on your behalf. You’re going to be able to have ag agentic AI help draft legal documents on your behalf. And what we see Clio as evolving to over time is really an orchestration platform where today you’re helping orchestrate your entire practice with Clio and you’re helping orchestrate the activities of your staff and your fellow lawyers utilizing Clio in the not distant future.

You’re going to be orchestrating agents alongside your human employees and human lawyers and paralegals, and they’re going to be in the loop helping supervise and review the work that the agents are executing on your behalf. So this is going to be something that dramatically amplifies our productivity. This is going to be something that dramatically amplifies the quality of our work and the pace at which we’re going to be able to deliver that work. And ultimately what I’m excited about is I think these AI capabilities and in particular agentic AI, are going to dramatically expand our ability to reach more people with our legal services and dramatically expand our ability to bridge that access to justice gap and reach the 77% of consumers that are not able to access legal services today. So that’s the unlock I see with AI that I’m particularly excited about is the opportunity to simultaneously dramatically expand lawyers’ productivity, I believe in turn dramatically expand the profitability of lawyers while also expanding the reach of legal services and helping tap into the latent legal market.

Victor Li:

But to kind of push back on that a little bit, and you talked earlier about how surprising it’s been, or maybe not how surprising, but how striking it’s been that lawyers have adopted generative AI so quickly. Do you think there might be some resistance to age agent AI given the autonomous nature of it and the fact that they’d be giving up a lot of control, or maybe people don’t understand it or it sounds scary? I mean, do you think that there might be a little bit more pushback or more reluctance to adopt it because of what it’s capable of?

Jack Newton:

What I would decouple in this discussion is the power and the opportunity that AI and agentic AI represents and how ready the profession is and how ready we are as human beings to embrace that. And those are really two separate things. And I think what I don’t want to gloss over at all is the amount of change management, the amount of education, the amount of training, the amount of transition that lawyers need to go through that everyone that is adjacent to lawyers, the broader legal professional set is going to need to go through over the course of the next number of months and years. It’s going to be a period of very dramatic change. But I think what we need to embrace and realize is for all the gnashing of teeth about lawyers being replaced by ai, I emphatically believe that is not going to be the case.

But what we will see is lawyers that leverage AI will displace lawyers that do not leverage ai. And I think what every lawyer, what every legal professional should be looking at AI as is something that they have an imperative to learn about, to embrace, to adopt, and to figure out how this can help augment their work and make them better lawyers and raise the quality of their work and also help them. I mean, this is really, when you embrace these tools and really see what they’re capable of, you’ll start to wonder how you were able to work without them. They’re able to so meaningfully augment and accelerate your work. And these large language models, these AI platforms are great at things that human beings are not great at. They’re great at sifting through mountains of documents, gigabytes of documents in a matter of seconds, and plucking out important and nuanced details.

They’re capable of summarizing vast corpuses of text and identifying discrepancies in testimony or helping summarize very complex arguments into a few paragraphs. These are enormously powerful tools that can really dramatically save us time and energy while also raising theBar on our own quality of work product. So these are technologies that we just can’t ignore. And to your earlier question around the parallels between cloud computing and artificial intelligence, Victor, I think one of the parallels I’ve seen play out again over a compressed timeframe play out 10 x faster is there was a set of lawyers, as you’ll recall in 2008, 2009, even 2015, that we’re basically saying that the cloud is a fad that on-premise software is going to be the prevailing technology platform. And they thought they could basically just ignore the cloud. And those lawyers now in 2025 are way behind. And in fact, they’re behind the eight ball now because they’re not able to leverage AI to its full extent because they’re trapped on these on-premise platforms.

And I think a very similar, but again, the stakes are higher, a very similar but elevated fate will lie ahead for lawyers that try to bury their head in the sand around ai, you will be left behind and you will be left in a situation where you are not competitive with your peers that are leveraging ai. And I think the fundamental mindset shift that lawyers need to go through is one of shifting from potentially being afraid of these technologies and trying to potentially avoid these technologies to being experimental, having a growth mindset, embracing these technologies, and really finding ways of leveraging them in your day-to-day workflows because they are transformative and they do have a dramatically positive impact on your work.

Victor Li:

Gotcha. Alright, so let’s take another quick commercial break. And we’re back. So this last segment, let’s talk about the upcoming Clio Cloud conference. It’s October 16th to the 17th at the Heinz Convention Center in Boston. I’ve been to ccle Ocon many times. I’ve always had a blast. It’s obviously one of my favorite conferences that I’ve ever been to. You guys always put on a good show, and I’ve always liked that you don’t always get just the same people over and over again. You have some standards, but you try to bring in some interesting speakers and whatnot. So what are some things that we can expect from this year’s conference?

Jack Newton:

Well, what you can expect is the biggest and best CLE ocon ever. We’re really excited to host it in Boston, which is an incredible city. The conference center there is unbelievable. And as you know, Boston is a city rich in history with amazing culture and dining and restaurants and just a fantastic place to host CLE Ocon. We’ve got an incredible lineup of speakers this year. As you’ve mentioned, Victor, we’ve got, I think, a great tradition of bringing voices to Cle Khan that are sometimes unfamiliar or new to the legal sphere. But after these keynote speeches, I think what we consistently hear back from attendees is these speakers really helped open their eyes and change the way they think about things. Esther Perel is one of our keynote speakers this year. She’s a New York Times bestselling author and an expert on relationships and workplace dynamics. And one of the reasons we invited Esther to CLE Ocon is we think as AI becomes more and more integrated into our daily workflows, we I think really need to figure out where do we as human beings fit into this new equation and this new world of work?

And what is our role as we interface with clients in a different way when we’ve got AI in the loop? And I think what Esther will help shine a spotlight on is the very important role that human beings continue to play in these workplace dynamics and how in this new world of ai, how we really need to double down and focus on the empathy and connection that makes us human and that AI will never be able to replace. We’ve got Richard Suskin speaking as well. Richard Suskin is a voice that probably need to know introduction, but a world renowned speaker on ai. He’s been talking about AI in law for over 20 years and is just a phenomenal speaker on that topic. We’ve got jj, the Laz quiz speaking about justice reform, and we’ve got dozens of other speakers joining us over the course of the two days.

So I think whether you’re a Clio customer or not, this is an event worth attending. It’s become widely recognized as one of the best legal conferences in the world. And I’ll just emphasize, again, you don’t need to be a Clio customer to get real value out of this conference. And I think you can probably testify that Victor, given how many times you’ve attended, it’s become one of the largest legal conferences in the world with over 4,000 attendees and tickets are just about sold out. So you can go to cle con.com and get your tickets before they’re all gone. And I’m sure we can set you up with a promo code as well, Victor, that you can put in the show notes here for anyone that would like to register.

Victor Li:

How many people are you expecting? I mean, I know you said tickets are almost sold out, but I mean, ballpark figure, is it going to be more than last year?

Jack Newton:

Yes. We’ll have over 4,000 attendees this year. So looking forward to another sold out and record setting con this year.

Victor Li:

Yeah. And you always do a keynote address as well where you make some big announcements. Can you care to tease anything that you might be talking about this year?

Jack Newton:

Well, unsurprisingly, I will be speaking about ai. I’ll be talking about some of the latest findings from our Legal Trends report this year, which we always unveil at Clio Con. So we’ll have the 2025 edition of the Legal Trends report. And we’ve got a number of breakthrough and very insightful findings around AI and AI adoption in legal that we’ll be sharing in this year’s Legal Trends report. I will be sharing more about our roadmap with the VL and Clio combination and the people on the floor of ccle Ocon will be the first people in the world to see what that integrated product offering will look like. So another great reason to join, again for anyone that is interested, Victor, I’ve actually got a promo code for them to use here. If they would like to register, they can use Legal Rebels as a promo code at checkout. That’s one word, legal rebels. And that will give them $300 off the current attendee pass price.

Victor Li:

Yes. And just to clarify that $300 does not go to me, right?

Jack Newton:

Not to you. No kickbacks here, Victor.

Victor Li:

So there is one last thing I wanted to ask you though, for someone who might not have been to Clio before, or someone who might’ve gone but maybe was a little overwhelmed by just how big, big it’s become, anything like that, what would you recommend to that person as to how best to spend their time at Clio? Do you go to all the panels? Do you go to all the keynote addresses? Do you just go to the floor and talk to vendors? What would you do?

Jack Newton:

Well, I think what’s really great about Clio Con is you can kind of choose your own adventure to an extent and decide where you want to focus your time. I will acknowledge there’s a lot of programming and that can feel overwhelming to folks. And you don’t need to try to squeeze in every session. We make a large number of the sessions available in recorded form afterwards as well. So if there’s a few sessions you missed out, there’s a good chance you can catch up on those async after the conference. We invest a lot of energy in making networking events. A big part of the value Ccle Ocon delivers as well. So above and beyond the programming, something I would encourage all attendees to do is make use of those networking sessions. We have everything from birds of a feather type networking sessions where lawyers in specific, for example, practice areas can get together and trade notes and learn from each other to more broad-based networking sessions where you’re just connecting and socializing with other lawyers.

And I think what we hear from attendees consistently is what they find so energizing about Clio Khan is not just the programming that’s delivered, but by being surrounded by other like-minded, innovation focused lawyers that want to figure out how they can make their practices better, how they can leverage technology to better effect how they can deliver a better client experience, how they can leverage AI to its full extent in their practice. So I think that mindset and then being surrounded by other lawyers and having the chance to meet what have for many attendees become lifelong friends at Clio Con is really an incredible opportunity that you can’t replicate in many other forums. That’s my recommendation, Victor, is find the right balance of getting attending sessions, but also realize that a lot of the magic happens in the lobby, so to speak. And the lobby conference that happens outside of the doors of the programming at Clio in many cases is just as if not more formative and impactful than the programming happening on stage

Victor Li:

And stay hydrated. Right,

Jack Newton:

And stay hydrated. That’s a great tip as well.

Victor Li:

And if our listeners have questions about Clio or Clio Cloud, what’s the best way for them to reach out?

Jack Newton:

Check out Clio dot com that’s got all the information you need on our products. And Clio con.com has all the information about registering for the conference. And again, if you want to pick up one of those last remaining tickets, you can register at Clio con.com and use the legal Rebels promo code. And feel free to drop a line to media at Clio dot com with any other questions about the conference.

Victor Li:

Great. Thanks a lot for joining us today, Jack. I appreciate it.

Jack Newton:

Thanks for having me, Victor.

Victor Li:

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