Celebrating 300 Episodes with Dennis & Tom!

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Intro: Web 2.0, Innovation, Trends, Collaboration, Software, Metadata, Software Service, Podcasts, Virtual Law. Got the world turning as fast as it can, hear how technology can help. Legally speaking, with two of the top legal technology experts, authors, and lawyers, Dennis Kennedy and Tom Mighell. Welcome to The Kennedy-Mighell Report, here on the Legal Talk Network.

Dennis Kennedy: And welcome to Episode #300 of The Kennedy-Mighell Report. I’m Dennis Kennedy in Ann Arbor.

Tom Mighell: And I’m Tom Mighell in Dallas. Before we get started, we’d like to thank our sponsors.

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Tom Mighell: Next, we’d like to thank Colonial Surety Company Bonds & Insurance for bringing you this podcast, whatever court bonds you need, get a quote and purchase online at colonialsurety.com/podcast.

Dennis Kennedy: And of course, we’d like to thank ServeNow with nationwide network of trusted pre-screen process servers, work with the most professional process servers, who have experience with high volume serves, embrace technology and understand the litigation process, visit servenow.com to learn more.

Tom Mighell: And we like to casually think about the fact that so many new podcasts are announcing their very first show these days as we reach our 300 episodes. We like to mention that at 15 years and counting, this is the longest continuously running Legal Talk podcast that’s out there. Remember, if you’ve got a question that we can answer in our B segment of an upcoming episode. We’ve got the voicemail and in fact, we got a voicemail but it was too late for this podcast, so it’ll come up on the next podcast. The number to leave us a voicemail is 7204416820.

Dennis Kennedy: So, in our last episode, we opened the door into client portals and how they might benefit law practices and their clients. In this episode, we celebrate our 300th episode of the show with a special guest who very longtime listeners will recognize as the first guest host on the show. Once we decided to do an interview format for the show, there was only one interviewer we had in mind, there literally could only be one, see if you can guess. I guarantee this will be a fun show. Tom, what’s on our agenda for this episode?

Tom Mighell: Well, Dennis, in this edition of The Kennedy-Mighell Report, we will indeed be celebrating our 300th episode with a very special guest host who will be interviewing us with questions we haven’t seen ahead of time and therefore I’m incredibly nervous about that.

The script says, I guarantee it will be fun, but I got to tell you, I’m a little nervous about that right now. As usual though, we are going to finish up with our parting shots at one tip website or observation that you can start to use a second that this podcast is over. But first up, our guest host and the first and original guest host on the show, Adriana Linares. Many of you who are listening, may not remember this, but she was one of our original guest hosts, co-host on the podcast, then she left us and ultimately became the host of an even bigger podcast, the awesome and fabulous, New Solo podcast on the Legal Talk Network.

Adriana, I’m going to let you introduce more of yourself. So, introduce yourself and I am nervous to say this, start firing away with your questions.

Adriana Linares: Well, thank you so much, Dennis and Tom. I am truly honored that of all the people both of you known everyone you have worked with, interviewed, spoken with, everything you all have done, you asked me to be your special guest for your 300th Anniversary podcast, and I’m truly honored. So, thank you very much for asking me to do this.

I do want to start by saying that you two are just two of my oldest dearest, most coveted and special friends that I’ve gained through this profession that we are all part of, really a weird profession, right? When people say, “What do you do?” I’m like, “Oh, I teach lawyers how to use their computers.” “What?” So, thank you, I’m honored.

And for those of you who have not met me, which is certainly many of you, my name is Adriana Linares, I’m a Legal Technology Trainer and Consultant. I’ve had over 20 years of life in legal. I am not a lawyer, but I have only ever worked with and for and around lawyers and law firms, and I just — I love it. So, I thank you both again for having me, and I think the two of you are the reason I have New Solo at all, I mean, obviously, you were my springboard, my launch-pad, how I was discovered by Legal Talk Network was by being your first and original.

Tom Mighell: That’s how it works.

Adriana Linares: That’s how it works. So, yes, thank you very much. I’ve thought long and hard about how I could possibly make Tom sweat the most when this opportunity presented — here it comes.

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When this opportunity presented itself, I was like, oh man, this is going to be so much fun, it’s a little bit like a roast, but not, no, I am kidding, I’m not going to roast you, but I was thinking, have you all listened to the SmartLess podcast?

Dennis Kennedy: No.

Adriana Linares: Oh my gosh. The SmartLess podcast has Jason Bateman, Sean Hayes, and Will Arnett, and what they do to each other at the beginning of every podcast, is one of them invites a guest, but the other two don’t know who it is. So, they kind of do this mysterious guess thing and I just think it’s hilarious. So, while I’m no longer mysterious, my questions are, Tom, are you sweating already?

Tom Mighell: I’ve been sweating the past five minutes.

Adriana Linares: All right. I’m going to start with some — I want to ask the two of you about you, because I feel like you all spend a lot of time together, you’re very good friends, you cover a lot of topics, but I don’t know how well your listeners know the two of you? So, I thought I would start by just a couple of little background questions and sort of how well do the two of you know each other.

So, my first question as we are leading into the holidays, is this. Dennis, what are you going to buy Tom for Christmas? What is the one thing that Tom does not yet have that he wants and maybe he won’t buy for himself, but you would buy Tom if you had all the money in the world, what would you buy Tom Mighell for Christmas, or Hanukkah, or the holidays, I don’t want to be exclusive here. We are going to cover Festivus.

Dennis Kennedy: Well, that was actually really easy because Tom is very transparent about what he most wants. Although, it might have changed — if technology has changed as he absolutely wants the best 49-inch monitor possible and if we went —

Tom Mighell: That is absolutely correct.

Adriana Linares: Tom with the thumbs up on Zoom.

Dennis Kennedy: And if we went — if there were bigger ones even available, he would probably want one of those, but Tom would be — is hard to buy for because he does have everything, and I think that how many headphones and Bluetooth speakers do you have these days, Tom?

Tom Mighell: I have very few, but in the past, I’ve had many. There’s a long rocky history with me and Bluetooth and headphone speakers, I just like stressed a lot of.

Adriana Linares: It’s a struggle.

Tom Mighell: It is, it’s a struggle.

Adriana Linares: The struggle is real.

Tom Mighell: It’s an evolution, I need to be able to tell listeners what to buy and what to like and —

Dennis Kennedy: We appreciate your sacrifice for the listeners.

Adriana Linares: We do.

Tom Mighell: You’re welcome.

Adriana Linares: Do you guys have a tip jar somewhere? I mean, I feel like you should have a tip jar where people can contribute to your technology spend considering you’re doing it all for them.

Dennis Kennedy: There you go. Let’s forget the voice messages and let’s just set up a tip jar.

Adriana Linares: I feel like you should. Now, Tom, same question to you. What would you buy Dennis Kennedy if there was just an endless supply of money to make Dennis happy during the holidays?

Tom Mighell: Well, so, if I was going to make Dennis happy during the holidays, I would buy him a completely built out, refurbished, not built out, brand new house in the middle of Indiana Farmland.

Adriana Linares: Right, yep.

Tom Mighell: But let’s have technology podcast. So, I’m going to go technology, I’m going to say, Dennis —

Adriana Linares: What would you fill that farmhouse with when it came to technology?

Tom Mighell: Well, because the farmhouse is a place where he’s going away from home to work. He would need, I’m going to say, a MacBook Pro with the new M Plus chip.

Dennis Kennedy: Good, good choice, the actual answer is Sensory Deprivation Tank, but I will be okay with it.

Adriana Linares: It’s that what you are calling the Farmhouse now Dennis, the Sensory Deprivation Tank?

Dennis Kennedy: The MacBook laptop is on my lists of things if I had an endless supply of money that I might splurge on for myself.

Adriana Linares: This leads me to an unprepared question, but I’m glad that this topic came up, which is, when it comes to the MacBooks and the various iterations of the laptops that we get with Apple, Dennis, have you had the one with the power bar up at the top?

Dennis Kennedy: No, I have not. Yeah. I mean, so, my background was, I had this 12-inch MacBook, that was my favorite computer ever, because I like the smaller form factor and I had that for so many years. And then, when COVID came along, I just didn’t have the need for a laptop so much anymore. So, I bought a Mac Mini and Tom talked me up quite a bit in monitor size and so, I’m like desktop plus an HP Windows laptop for Michigan State.

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So, I’m covering both worlds now, but the longevity of the Mac doesn’t mean I don’t typically change that much and when I was at NASCAR and now also at Michigan State I had the Windows option as well. So, I just needed a small laptop that was good for travel at the time.

Adriana Linares: So, this leads me to two other questions, but first, let me explain why I was asking that at all. So, I, like you, Dennis. I’m by tech, and I have both and I switch around and because I do a lot of consulting, we are now more-and-more than ever, I get a lot of Mac attorneys and especially when they come out of law school, which is what’s going to be my next question. I had recently picked up a couple of Macs from Ernie the Attorney who has just basically an Apple store in his house and they had a couple to spare, I said, hey, let me pick up a couple off of you because I need them for my travels, and I had wanted one of those so badly with the bar up at the top that you could touch and I just got it and then Apple turns around and announced that turns out those things aren’t so great. We are not making it.

Tom Mighell: Yup, because nobody liked it, nobody liked the touch bar.

Adriana Linares: I guarantee you, I will like it when I get on it. Okay, so —

Tom Mighell: Wait, wait, wait, even though you’re asking us the questions, I thought, didn’t you use to say that you were try or maybe it’s just me that says, I was try because —

Adriana Linares: I’ll try anything.

Tom Mighell: — because I’m Windows Android and iPad, no Mac, but —

Dennis Kennedy: Oh, wow.

Tom Mighell: See, there you go. Lots of phones, so.

Adriana Linares: I will try any tech and I love it all, and I don’t like when people are haters of one platform or another company, I’m like, why would you hate Windows, hate something else like, animal abusers or hoarders. What are you going to hate the program for?

Dennis Kennedy: It’s probably people get so wrapped up over that, although, I will say that the only Android phone I ever had which was the Samsung. The only thing I liked about it was that you could popcorn with it because it was rating so hot.

Adriana Linares: Oh, my God.

Tom Mighell: You literally chose that Samsung?

Dennis Kennedy: I went for that joke one more time.

Adriana Linares: So, I have them all because I consult with a lot of different attorneys. I work for the San Diego County Bar, they all come out me at all kinds of angles. So, I have to be able to grab a device and —

Tom Mighell: Get to know it all.

Adriana Linares: I do. So, a couple actually — about a year ago now, when I was looking to buy a new Android, Tom and I had a great exchange, and I ended up with the Samsung, which I have just, and Tom, we have not discussed this yet. So, I don’t know how you’re going to feel about this. I’m getting my new Pixel 6 next week.

Tom Mighell: Pixel 6 Pro right here, but if you’re getting a Pixel 6 it’s actually probably a better phone.

Adriana Linares: Really? Why? Tell us why? The only reason I chose the not pro is because it’s not my main phone and I didn’t want to spend the extra 200 or 300. Although, I’ll tell you, I’m getting 93 back just for this one. So, the cost of my Pixel 6 is going to be 599 minus 100 because of their trade-in program, which — that’s a tip, but why would you say that, which makes me happy by the way?

Tom Mighell: So, Pixel 6 is unusually — the Pro, Pixel 6 Pro is unusually large, it’s just not as good in the hand, it’s significantly larger, you know, during the year of COVID, Google stopped, they sort of took a pass on making a good phone and they did a good — the Pixel 5, which was a good phone but it was small and I got used to it. I bought the 5, I liked it, but I get used to a small phone in my hand. This now is gigantic, it is — I’m not sure if you will have the same issues with the 6 as I do with the Pro, but the fingerprint sensor is terrible. It has a lag to it, the camera is good.

The reason why I got the Pixel 6 Pro is because it has a telephoto lens in it. It has better camera than the other one, and I wanted to try that one out. It has the bigger battery, but I’m hearing that when I go out and look at the reviews, I think the reviews for the 6 have been much more solid than for the 6 Pro saying that most people would want the 6 and that, the 6 Pro, a little more expensive. Although, I’ll tell you, they have a great trading program. I’ve gotten $400.00 for my Pixel 5, it’s a great program that they have.

Adriana Linares: And why we’re just talking about trading programs? I guess, Apple has a newer, better trade-in program now, where you can take any of your old Apple devices into the actual Macs store and they will take it versus previously where you did a mail-in or a trade-in. So, for all of you sitting around with a bunch of old Macs and thank God, I got to Ernie the Attorney before this program broke out.

Tom Mighell: They’ll take your Android too, they’ll take anything.

Adriana Linares: They will?

Tom Mighell: Yeah, I think they will. I think that well, maybe — okay, if you’re questioning it then maybe I’m wrong, but I think Google will take your iPhone.

Adriana Linares: Yeah.

Tom Mighell: So–

Adriana Linares: I think, well, I think you can use any of the regular trade-ins, but I feel like I maybe we should Google it while we’re talking.

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So, we’re not talking out of our a**es, but I think Apple’s only taking Apple devices. Check it real quick, Tom. I think I asked them when I was out there and I can —

Tom Mighell: I will check while you’re looking at another question.

Adriana Linares: Yep. Okay. Another question for you, as we sort of, thankfully get to veer off on some good helpful topics. Dennis, if there’s one technology thing that Tom would not want to find under his Festivus tree, what would that be?

Dennis Kennedy: Well, I think the universal answer these days is a brand-new fax machine, and the second answer would be a reconditioned old fax machine.

Adriana Linares: No, he’s fine, that’s why he doesn’t need to replace and it works.

Dennis Kennedy: Of the two of us, Tom has really always been the gadget and he’s more to hardware person, I’m the software person. So, it’s really hard to imagine there’s anything that you could get Tom that’s like a new kind of technology that he wouldn’t be willing to mess around with or at least try, I mean, there’s —

Adriana Linares: And isn’t that just one of our favorite things about Tom?

Dennis Kennedy: Yeah, I mean, it’s great, it’s like hard to go — hard to go wrong on anything like that. So, we have a great answer, I don’t really have a great answer because he —

Adriana Linares: What would he do if you give him an iPhone?

Dennis Kennedy: He would like it.

Tom Mighell: I would sell it or I would find someone to sell it too, I would sell the phone. He would like it, but he wouldn’t admit it.

Dennis Kennedy: It’s basically. So, he’s kind of boxed himself into this corner where he can’t allow himself to like it.

Adriana Linares: There’s no way. So, Tom, what’s the last thing you would ever buy Dennis for a gift in the technology world?

Tom Mighell: Based on the conversations we’ve had over the past few weeks, I would say, that the one thing that he would not want to have under his Christmas tree would be any type of home smart device that had a screen or a camera that would follow him around and take pictures of him, or be listening to him all the time because he’s perfectly happy to just have that one little ball that reminds him when his meetings are starting and everything else is just over-kill, and why would I care about having a nice picture frame next to me, or something like that, that’s a lane answer, but that would be one thing I would think about.

Dennis Kennedy: Unless it was a drone, then that could interest me.

Adriana Linares: So, what we’re saying here is, Dennis did not sign up for the Amazon Robot pre-program.

Tom Mighell: None of the robots.

Dennis Kennedy: So, the robot vacuum cleaner could be interesting, like, do you guys do that?

Adriana Linares: Yes.

Dennis Kennedy: The vacuum cleaner stuff?

Adriana Linares: But you mean like a Roomba or the other?

Dennis Kennedy: Yeah.

Adriana Linares: Yeah, of course, you think the floors clean themselves, Dennis?

Dennis Kennedy: You just don’t, like, I guess I’m really old school, but that’s one thing I’ve looked at to kind of say like–

Tom Mighell: You could have put a Roomba under the Christmas tree and I would have sold that too.

Adriana Linares: Really, Tom? Because you have dogs, and I think like —

Tom Mighell: We have dogs, but I also have a partner who is obsessive about cleaning, and a Roomba just doesn’t cut it when it comes to deep cleaning, you know what I mean?

Adriana Linares: I think you should get a Roomba and he will die over the surprise. So, Tech tip for everyone who’s out there, and if you haven’t gotten a Roomba or one of the competitors, because I don’t think I’ve actually — the very first robot vacuum cleaner I had was a Roomba and we’re talking 12-15 years ago. It was an actual Roomba and would you believe it died. So, when I call customer support and I said, “My Roomba has died? Here’s what they told me, this is no lie. It has a virus, we cannot repair it. Seriously, that was what happened and it just was, sort of getting into the software that didn’t work out, but since then, I have bought a couple of its competitors over the years and they’ve been great, and the thing that I think is most amazing about them is, I think I keep a pretty clean home, I do. As a matter of fact, I just bought a VaBroom.

Tom Mighell: See, I can’t say that without laughing, VaBroom.

Adriana Linares: It’s a VaBroom. Okay, and it plugs in and you sweep like normal, and then it has a little vacuum on one end of it.

Dennis Kennedy: The Va.

Adriana Linares: The Va — you sort of tilt it sideways after you’ve collected your little pile of dust, and instead of bending down with the broom and the dustpan, you just sort of lean it and it picks everything up, so the thing is amazing.

All right, back to the robot vacuum cleaners. I’m a little obsessive too, Tom, and I like to have a clean home and I certainly have had dogs over the years and the robot vacuum cleaners do a really good job to the point where you think I’m going to let this thing go and it’s not going to find anything.

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It will get under and around and in places that even those of us who know and love every nook and cranny of our home and you go to empty out the dust collector in it and you’re terrified. You’re horrified. You’re like, “Oh, my God. I need a clean room.” So, all right, I got distracted.

Dennis Kennedy: This reminds me of one of my favorite shows, in the one that time always get a laugh at where we had Bob messed on who’s like there are jobs to be done, expert and we had what Tom would politely call a lengthy conversation where —

Adriana Linares: Tom’s nodding his head.

Dennis Kennedy: Where Bob took me through the thought process for deciding which smoothie maker I should buy. To me, it’s like the most fantastic thing with the expert of the world like what we see how to do it.

Tom Mighell: Bought into that.

Dennis Kennedy: And Tom enjoyed it, but he does refer — he used the word “lengthy.” But if you ever want to like truly understand what the thought process is on buying into appliance or if you’re interested in smoothie makers, totally great episode.

Adriana Linares: So, Dennis, this question is for you because I know most obviously, it’s a podcast, we don’t get the video but here we all are, recording over Zoom which I think has been a really nice way to do podcast because we can interact like humans. Over your right shoulder, there’s a very interesting object that most of us would expect to see inside of a museum. Do you ever talk about that thing?

Dennis Kennedy: Yeah, this is great, and it’s really interesting when I’m Zoom calls when people recognize it. They will say something. So, it’s the first Mac I ever bought which is a Mac SE.

Adriana Linares: Wow!

Dennis Kennedy: From back, I’m guessing would be —

Adriana Linares: When Fred Flintstone owned a computer shop?

Dennis Kennedy: 1990. So, some people think, “Oh, man, that’s got to have a lot of value.” I’m like, “Yeah, it has no value.” But I’ve kept it for all these years, and so now, I just use it an art object on the shelf behind me.

Adriana Linares: Does it turn on?

Dennis Kennedy: I don’t know. I didn’t try it. It has two floppy drives and —

Tom Mighell: It does. You can see them right there.

Dennis Kennedy: And also I bought the first hard drive, external hard drive I ever bought, 30 megabytes, $1,000 at that time.

Adriana Linares: Can you think about that. My first computer when I was in college and my mom scraped up $2,000 to buy and we had no money. I do not know how my mom ever did this. It had two megs of RAM, two.

Dennis Kennedy: Nice.

Adriana Linares:  Yes. Well, I think that’s amazing that you have that and I totally love it, even though it just sits there and it’s just an object.

Dennis Kennedy: I tend to talk about this little sign I have that says “Play where no one else is playing,” which is kind of what I’ve been trying to do over the last few years to say like, can I use stuff that nobody else is really doing. So, that’s my reminder not to plug another podcast but one of interview shows with Whitney Johnson is where that comes from.

Adriana Linares: I love it, and Dennis, I think you have certainly done that over the years. Tom, I can’t get a lot of background from you because we just have some lovely photos behind you. What’s your oldest piece of technology that you have not had the heart to recycle, throw away or get rid of even though it is no longer useful.

Tom Mighell: I have none. I keep it, and in fact occasionally, when I see people having their museum of old technology, I feel a little nostalgic because I sort of think I wish I had all that stuff, but I’m a cleaner. So, probably, if I go into my closet right now, the oldest piece of technology — I’m embarrassed to admit this, is no, have —

Dennis Kennedy: It’s a fax machine. It’s a fax machine.

Tom Mighell: I have no fax machine and I’m not that embarrassed. Actually, I’m not going to — no, I have probably — it’s my Surface Book. The original Surface Book is as old a technology as I get. So, what is that like, four years maybe, five years at the most. I just don’t keep it that long, and I may regret that the older I get, but when I’m done with something, it’s dead to me and I get rid of it. I had a tech garage sale on Facebook awhile back and put up a spreadsheet of all the technology, and I got rid of probably half of my tech that day with people buying. I had a bunch of different old Google Homes and a couple of laptops and I’m not sentimental when it comes to technology.

Dennis Kennedy: This is sort of like your — Tom has this thing about this distinction between pilers and filers which is kind of one of our big differences.

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But this sort of what you’re talking about with the old technology behind me and time getting rid of everything is a manifestation of how Tom’s a filer and I’m a piler.

Tom Mighell: That’s exactly right.

Adriana Linares: I love it.

Tom Mighell: All right! So, the roasting has gone on for a little bit too long. Let’s take a quick break.

Adriana Linares: I got more.

Tom Mighell: Let’s take a quick break for a message from our sponsors and then we’ll be right back.

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Tom Mighell: All right, and now, let’s get back to the Kennedy-Mighell Report, I’m Tom Mighell.

Dennis Kennedy: And I’m Dennis Kennedy, we’re back with Adrianna Linares for our second round of our episode 300 celebration interview, in which I will want to only get easy questions and leave all the hard questions for Tom. Adriana, let’s go to your next question.

Adriana Linares: Okay. You know, I’m looking at the two of you, and having obviously known the two of you, you’re both quite different, right? You’ve got all in with the Apple devices, all in with Windows and Android, but also what’s interesting and I wonder if you all ever talk about this, is your podcasting equipment. So, I’m sure people must wonder, you know, how do you sound so good all the time. What do you use when you travel? I see Tom has a very fancy — looks like a corn on the cob microphone. Dennis, I believe you have a Shure there. So, give me just a little quick breakdown on your podcasting equipment. Let’s start with Dennis.

Dennis Kennedy: So, I have the sort of basic approach which I like, and you’re right, this is a Shure 58 which I think people like. It’s a really widely used microphone and it has a real professional sound to it. So, a lot of places where people speak, even some singers and stuff use this mic. So, it has a really familiar sound that people associate with being professional. It’s about $200.00, so it’s you know, not a bad price, run it through a USB mixer. And then I, sometimes don’t have — to think about this Shure mic is you kind of have to stay on it fairly closely, so I didn’t have the greatest microphone technique. So, I now have this RODE stand that is clipped to my desk and then swings out to keep the microphone right in front of me and makes it easier to stay on. I use a pop filter to — actually two pop filters going to eliminate the plosives on the P’s and T’s, and that’s sort of the approach. I just run it right into my laptop and we’re ready to go, and it sounds great.

Adriana Linares: So, to just fill in a couple of gaps there, that’s the Shure which is actually S-H-U-R-E, and the pop filter is a screen and you have one that sort of — it looks like — it almost looks like a frying pan, like a flat frying pan that you attach it so that it sits in front of the microphone to help with those p-p-p. when I’m recording my podcast, if I forget my pop filter, which I do, because a lot of times, I’m traveling. My audio engineer says, “Adriana, can you do Peter Piper picked a pair of pickles?” And that’s how we test this plosive. So you’ve got not only the one that sort of sits in front of it, but you have one that’s actually on the head of the microphone. So when you say you’ve got two pop filters, you mean one that attaches to the actual microphone and one that sort of sits in front of it.

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And then the other thing I will describe quickly is even if you’re not recording a podcast, okay, but you are doing a lot of video or just audio call, it’s obviously very important that we all have good microphones which I feel we all got a little better during COVID, but I will say that one of the one the things that I added to my audio equipment during COVID is the movable arm.

Dennis Kennedy: Yeah.

Adriana Linares: So that you can have this giant microphone in front of your face and by the way, it can be out of camera because you kind of lower it and raise it. I think I only paid $15 for this one, but it’s amazing because then I can just push it out of the way so I always sound good and I can get it out of the way so now I got this giant microphone in front of my face which by the way listeners I can’t even see Dennis Kennedy. I have not seen Dennis Kennedy’s face during this whole recording because he’s behind his giant pop filter. That’s how serious he is. All right. So, Tom, let me switch over to you really quick. Tell me — and oh — and wait, before I do that. One more question for you Dennis before I switch over to Tom. Again, looking at the differences between the two of you, so you’ve got the microphone. So, when we’re recording and doing phone conferences and we decide to use our computers for audio, it’s not just about the output but there’s also input. So see, Dennis, are you using a Bluetooth headset?

Dennis Kennedy: No, I have over-the-ear headset that’s plugged in to the same mixer that runs —

Adriana Linares: Okay.

Dennis Kennedy: — through this. And then I — so, this is really my podcast setup for — if I’m doing a webcast. I’ll use this. What I found I’ve gone to lately is just a regular lavalier mic that I clip to my shirt and then I sometimes use my EarPods, you know, to listen when I’m —

Adriana Linares: Right.

Dennis Kennedy: — Zoom call or something, but I kind of like these loud mics because you can move around a bit —

Adriana Linares: Yeah.

Dennis Kennedy: — and the sound quality is really decent and you don’t have that — I like this other headset, this MPOW, this M-P-O-W —

Adriana Linares: Yeah, they make their products right.

Dennis Kennedy: — headset.

Adriana Linares: MPOW is —

Dennis Kennedy: Just like 30 bucks and people have complemented on me, but it does give you that headset look and, you know, with the over-the-ear thing which, you know, which you’re doing now and it’s — sometimes she just rather look like you’re just sitting —

Adriana Linares: It’s so true.

Dennis Kennedy: — and talking to somebody.

Adriana Linares: So, because — I’ve always had remote work, right? I’ve always been remote and — but of course back to COVID and how it amplified our need to look good and sound good, one of the things that I struggled with was this look of — I mean, this is what I would always say, I know I looked like I’m calling a NASCAR race right now and I got tired of that. So, what I ended up doing was keeping the good microphone which — they’re not going to be all-in-one. If you want to sound good and look good, you’re probably not going to be using a headset with a boom attached to it on the microphone so you have to figure out how to break the two apart. So, what I did was I spent some money on microphones and then the arm and I say it plural because I have three homes that I moved between and then a laptop. So, you know, I need a lot of devices. But I just bought a very cheap $19 Bluetooth earbuds from Amazon because my hair is dark, the earbuds were black, I could put the earbud in if it was only one and hear everything. I don’t need to hear great, I just need to hear enough and that was — and that’s probably a tip that I guess from trying to offer and I might be late in the game but I feel like we’re all still going to be doing a lot of video calls and that’s my trick. I put one little Bluetooth EarPod for hearing. I have a good microphone, I do make sure to go into my settings and disable the microphone from the EarPods because you don’t want two microphones. So, there’s, you know, a little bit of technicality that you have to deal with but I will say — and especially thinking about attorneys that have to go to hearings via Zoom or Teams, if you want to look good, that’s a good setup for you. All right, Tom, you’re turn. What are you using over there for a microphone? It’s very fancy. It looks like a black shoot-up but good-looking corn on the cob.

Tom Mighell: Wow. So, what’s interesting about me and Dennis is that we tend to cover the spectrum in budget-wise for our technology and —

Adriana Linares: Uh-huh.

Tom Mighell: And —

Adriana Linares: Wait, is this a nice way of saying one of you is cheaper than the other?

Tom Mighell: No, that would — my way of saying that I got no kids and so all I do is spend money on travel and technology and dogs and —

Adriana Linares: Preach.

Tom Mighell: And so I tend to buy things because I — they’re well recommended and they tend to be pricey. What I’m using here is it’s a Sennheiser and it’s a — the Sennheiser MKH-416 and it’s a boom microphone. So, it is designed — the reason why I got this microphone is with the anticipation that in some day I might want to record videos and I didn’t want the microphone to be in front of me and this boom microphone is supposed to be able to record from a long distance.

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I need to learn exactly how that happens because when I put far away it doesn’t quite sound the same. It sound —

Adriana Linares: That’s so true.

Tom Mighell: It doesn’t have the same good quality as it’s supposed to have but I listen to all these other YouTube people and they do a great job with it but it — the microphone was out of the way when I did that and so I have a little work to do on this but I’m — I love the quality of the microphone, it sounds really good, it’s crisp and clear, but it is not cheap. It’s — let’s see, I’m looking at —

Adriana Linares: A thousand dollar?

Tom Mighell: — Amazon right now, it is currently unavailable on Amazon but it was north of a thousand dollars by a little bit.

Adriana Linares: Yeah. No, that’s big time. You are big time there, Tom Mighell. Dennis and I are hanging down here and — well, actually I have a Snowball, a Blue I think. This was only $50. But I also have a Shure as well, Dennis and I.

Tom Mighell: I have a Shure in the closet and Shure is what —

Adriana Linares: I got Yeti’s left and right.

Tom Mighell: — we’ve used for a long time.

Adriana Linares: I have them all. I mean, I’m like the two of you.

Dennis Kennedy: I don’t want to get started down that road of saying like, “Oh, let me try this microphone” and, you know, I feel like I’d be like, you know, some musician with like a different guitar for every song like I —

Adriana Linares: Right.

Dennis Kennedy: –“Hold on, I need this mic for this time. This is the mic for the A segment, this is mic for the B segment.” and then there is a special microphone for parting shots.

Tom Mighell: Yeah.

Dennis Kennedy: Now, I don’t want to get —

Adriana Linares: I don’t think you guys should do that.

Dennis Kennedy: –into that world.

Adriana Linares: But here’s a one thing I will say to everyone. Please do not use the speaker and the microphone that’s built into your computers. They just never sound good.

Tom Mighell: So, can I say — since we’re all speaking freely right now, I’m going to say this probably should have been reserved for our pre-show chat which is not being recorded. But I will tell you that one of the things that just drives me crazy about podcast that I listen to these days and its lawyers but it’s not lawyers, it’s people who show up like there’s talking on a speaker phone and they sound in the background, there’s a huge echo in the room, they’re using the microphone —

Adriana Linares: I can’t.

Tom Mighell: — clearly that’s on their laptop and I’m thinking how hard is it to get a good quality, low-cost microphone these days to where you can actually sound almost like you’re in a — like you’re on the radio, didn’t it?

Adriana Linares: Yea.

Tom Mighell: It’s just it’s so easy these days it drives me crazy.

Adriana Linares: So easy.

Dennis Kennedy: What I — so, let me make a Top Chef reference —

Adriana Linares: Top Chef.

Dennis Kennedy: — for Tom which — you do hear those podcast and you sort of feel like you’re watching Top Chef and the judges say “Did you taste those before you sent it out?” It’s like “Did you even listen to your —

Tom Mighell: That’s exactly right. They don’t listen to it.

Dennis Kennedy: And so, what I — I was thinking one day about like separating the microphone from the, you know, the headphones or earbuds is that I will go cheap on the earbuds like Adriana is saying and I would — if you’re going to do Zoom calls, you want to look good. I will like invest a little money in lighting, you know, and just pay attention to how you light yourself and your background and that’s —

Adriana Linares: Totally.

Dennis Kennedy: — going to make you seem so much more professional.

Adriana Linares: And so easy.

Dennis Kennedy: Yep.

Adriana Linares: So easy.

Tom Mighell: Well, — and I will tell you with the lighting I went and bought some lighting too thinking that it would work but I will say the Brio camera that I have you can — the brightness features, the lighting features that are just part of the camera, I don’t even need to put a light on anymore these days because the camera itself can make me as light as I need to be and I —

Dennis Kennedy: Mm-hmm.

Tom Mighell: — so it’s — it might be that you don’t’ even have to buy lighting, maybe the camera can actually do it for you.

Adriana Linares: Which is a whole another topic —

Tom Mighell: Yup.

Adriana Linares: — which back to — okay, don’t use the things that are built in.

Tom Mighell: Yup.

Adriana Linares: I pay for very expensive computers and I don’t mind, right? I want 64 or 32 max of RAM. Like, I spent a lot — but the cameras are always terrible.

Dennis Kennedy: Yup.

Adriana Linares: Always terrible. So, I definitely have a slew of USB third-party cameras. So, Tom, I also have the Brio and I’ve got the Logitech C90 and I recently got the Road face cam. I like Road products a lot too so I have the mixer for — the podcasting mixer and I’ve got a microphone and the camera. So, that’s another thing I would encourage anyone to get is a third-party camera and here’s one of the main reasons. So, Tom, you and I use Logitech, Dennis are you using just the one that’s attached to the Mac?

Dennis Kennedy: No, I —

Adriana Linares: I mean inside the Mac?

Dennis Kennedy: So, I’m on the HP and so I just have to —

Adriana Linares: Okay.

Dennis Kennedy: — the built-in one because, you know, this is not —

Adriana Linares: It’s a podcast.

Dennis Kennedy: — being rec —

Adriana Linares: Right.

Dennis Kennedy: It’s not being recorded for anything. The one I’m interested in is a built-in to be honest is this new generation of IMAX and MacBook Pros with their building cameras but it’s a lot about the technology in the software that they’re doing to really optimize the video and audio you get. But yeah, I think otherwise, unless you just really don’t care about what you look like, you don’t want to use what’s built in.

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Adriana Linares: You don’t, but I will say this, I always ask what people are using, if it’s good, and the few times that I’ve said, what camera are you using, it looks really good and it was not a third party, a USB, it was on a Mac. So Macs tend to have better. But here’s my tip for everyone when it comes to this and that is because the camera is built in to the monitor usually, it doesn’t have the ability to Zoom in, Zoom out, move left, move right, move up and down, so when you get a third party camera, that software comes with it. And so especially with the Logitech, and Tom, I don’t know if you use it, but the first thing I do, when I get a new computer is install the Logitech camera software and that does allow me to Zoom in and Zoom out which helps if I have a green screen. 

And when you’ve got the built-in camera, sometimes it throws a really wide picture and then you have to have a really wide green screen, and this was something I learned during COVID. I went through tons of green screens when I could get them, and I found that that’s yet another benefit of the third party camera is not only does it just look better and please don’t use the microphone in it or the speakers in it, but the third party software that you get, it can also help you look better. 

One more question for each of you. Tom, what is your ride or die technology? The one thing — I’ll give you two, that you simply could not live without and it could be an app or a device or a service. It doesn’t have to be one specific thing. I mean I have two that I know when somebody says to me, what can you not live without, I definitely have two very specific answers.

Tom Mighell: And I suppose it’s a cop-out to say like internet service in general, right? I have to be more specific on that. I don’t think you can say all of it.

Adriana Linares: I’ll give you mine, wait, why don’t we start — I will make it easy, I will give you mine.

Tom Mighell: Okay, good.

Adriana Linares: Password Manager and TextExpander.

Dennis Kennedy: Those are good.

Tom Mighell: So I would probably want to steal your Password Manager because that takes — that is tremendous. And then I will say, so I am going to give an answer and people are like oh Tom, you are going to give that answer anyway. This is really about — this is really about a year-and-a-half of COVID and working remotely and working with Teams, but collaboration software like Microsoft Teams is that if we don’t have the ability to use tools like that to collaborate with the people that we are working with, I would not — if we go back to using email, I mean people who are clients who say we want to work with you, just send documents by email, that’s of — I would die without that today. 

So either — I am big on the Teams thing, but whatever you use to collaborate with others, that would be my absolute number one behind Password Manager.

Adriana Linares: That’s a really good one and I think we appreciate that sort of technology and service now more than ever, and I — if you don’t mind my tacking on to that, I will say that I think Office 365, now Microsoft 365 is one of the greatest gifts that have ever been given to any small business, but specifically to lawyers and law firms. So if you all are still hanging out out there without having subscribed to a business version of Office 365, even if you are a solo Microsoft 365, you really need to get on.

Tom Mighell: I have a business version just for myself, just to give myself and it is tremendous, so absolutely recommend.

Adriana Linares: 100%. All right Dennis.

Dennis Kennedy: And it keeps improving, they keep adding things. 

Adriana Linares: It’s unbelievable. I don’t know how you can be a business owner, and by the way, every single solo practitioner out there, you are a business owner, I don’t know how you can live without Microsoft 365, and Password Manager and TextExpander. Dennis?

Dennis Kennedy: So I agree with all of you so far and it’s hard not to say the Password Manager especially, but the two things that came immediately to mind so I am just going to say those. I have really become dependent on my Apple Watch. I really like the way I am using it now and what it does for me. And I think they have added some new features for cyclists that I haven’t really got to play that much with, but I just find more and more I rely on it. And so it would be hard to give that up. 

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And then the second thing is Notion. So Notion is an online web service that’s essentially a GUI interface, so graphic interface for a Wiki type of program. So it’s a database tool, but it can do all kinds of stuff. And so we’re using it for kind of I’ve been doing a series about our Second Brain Project as we call it. And so I’ve been doing more and more in Notion and I am starting to use it for everything and it really is starting to feel like the one place that I can keep all of my online stuff and then also make it actionable at the same time and then to show views of what’s important. 

So like I have a couple of dashboards, I have all these different things. So I am really close to the point where I think that it’s going to be a keeper for me for a long time and that most everything that I am doing that I want to be actionable will be in this tool.

Adriana Linares: Can I add two things to your Apple Watch, just sort of tip ideas?

Dennis Kennedy: Sure.

Adriana Linares: I feel the same way. I love my Apple Watch for a lot of reasons. One of them and this is not necessarily for me yet, but I got one for my mom. Now, my mom is young and active and I don’t worry about her health yet, but it does have a fall detector. So if you guys are out there trying to figure out what to buy your elderly parents or someone who maybe is a little slow and they have an iPhone already and you think to yourselves they will never use an Apple Watch. An Apple Watch has a fall detector. So it’s basically the, oh, I’ve fallen and I can’t get up, but the thing is amazing.

And I spend a lot of time out in Los Angeles now so I decided to learn how to roller skate during COVID and I fell bad, I was fine, but what was amazing was as soon as I fell, the first thing I felt other than the pain going through my very upset coccyx at the time was my watch going, hey, hey, hey.

Dennis Kennedy: Are you okay?

Adriana Linares: I see you falling, are you okay? Hey, hey. And it was basically like, let us know you’re okay lady or we’re calling 911. So the thing is the damn thing works, and it’s amazing. So I love that feature along with all of the other features. And so I am a big fan.

And by the way, there are ranges in the watch now, so you don’t have to buy the most expensive one and you can certainly get some of the older ones at a lower cost through eBay or something like that and have that advantage for someone that you might care for. 

And then the other thing I was going to think was Tom, we should have had some of this conversation reverse because when I asked you what is the last thing Dennis Kennedy would ever want for a holiday gift, you could have said a Rolex. 

Tom Mighell: That’s true, that’s true.

Adriana Linares: And by the way, that’s me also. Somebody is always trying to buy me a nice watch, I am like, excuse me, can it tell me my heartbeat? Can it tell me if my stocks have gone up, and can it tell me when my next appointment is? No, thanks.

Dennis Kennedy: Yeah. I would say the other thing about the Apple Watch, I don’t think people experiment enough with and this has really increased its utility for me is, you just need to try a bunch of different watch faces. And so I went with like the totally simple approach for a long time and I like it. Now I have like this super complex infographic thing that has like all these different things it’s telling me and I just really like that.

Adriana Linares: I do too. So Tom, do you have an Android Watch?

Tom Mighell: I was going to say I don’t suppose anybody would like to talk about my Galaxy OS Watch.

Adriana Linares: Yes, we most certainly do, tell us everything.

Tom Mighell: We need to be fair and say it really doesn’t hold a candle to the Apple Watch. If I could attach my Apple Watch to an Android phone I would do it in a heartbeat, but I like it because it gets me part of the way to what I need. I like — sometimes I’ve got my phone on mute, I want to know when I get a text message, I want to know when I get a phone call, it’s easy to do that. It measures the same health stuff. I’ve been using it to measure my sleep lately to see how truly terrible a sleeper I am and so I like that.

And it’s also very good — the Samsung Health, because it’s a Samsung watch, that’s the one downside to it is it really works best with Samsung devices, which I do not have, so I am connecting it to my Pixel and it’s not perfect, but it’s a perfectly good phone. So I mean Galaxy — if you’ve got an Android, this is probably the best Android phone that’s out there right now, because finally Samsung — 

Adriana Linares: Do you mean watch?

Tom Mighell: Did I say phone? Watch. 

Adriana Linares: Twice. So I just wanted to make sure you mean watch.

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Tom Mighell: I am talking about the watch, the best Android watch that’s out there now, because Samsung finally sucked it up and went in with Google and they’re partnering now, and so a little bit of the best of both worlds. And so this is — hopefully they’re going to start making better watches as it goes along, but again still, if I could switch it for an Apple Watch that would come just a little bit out of its walled garden to connect to my Pixel phone, I would do it in a heartbeat.

Adriana Linares: Well, the only thing I will add to that is I love the sleep tracking to where I got a second Apple Watch so that I could wear one at night and it does help me better — I mean at this point I am almost 50, I know you guys are right there with me and sleep has become more important than ever. And unfortunately it makes you, like you said Tom, as anxious knowing how poorly you sleep as it is helpful. And so I think the watches are great.

Tom Mighell: Although I will tell you, one tip for that because I’ve been looking at different things that track your sleep and they just announced that the new Google Nest Hubs that you could just put next to your bedside, they will track your sleep without you having to wear anything. They use their new kind of radar sensing technology to be able to use —

Adriana Linares: Dennis loves this. 

Dennis Kennedy: I love the idea of bouncing even more microwaves off our heads.

Tom Mighell: That’s exactly right.

Adriana Linares: So I have three very small homes and there is no shortage of robots and I have them all. I love Google devices and smart lights and everything in my very small homes. So I think it’s hilarious that Dennis in what I am sure is not a small home has one.

Dennis Kennedy: No, I am in an apartment now, in a two bedroom apartment in Ann Arbor.

Adriana Linares: I can see your one device back there and I can assure you I have eight times that in a place half that size. I love the robots. And I am also agnostic. Sometimes I ask Google a question.

Dennis Kennedy: Oh wow.

Adriana Linares: So I am in this tiny apartment and I have an Amazon and an Alexa and an Echo. They all have different names because it’s whichever one is near. 

Well, that’s cool Tom, I did not know that, I am going to look into that.

Dennis Kennedy: Yeah, the one device I would be most interested in is a drone frankly.

Tom Mighell: Here we go, back to the drone again.

Adriana Linares: Damn it Tom, buy this guy a freaking drone for the holidays. You guys maybe we should start a fund so we can buy Dennis a really nice drone for the holidays and we can end this conversation.

Tom Mighell: Yeah, I am not getting a drone. I would rather — 

Adriana Linares: Dennis, ask the — and by the way.

Dennis Kennedy: We will just do a tip jar kind of thing.

Adriana Linares: You need a tip jar. But I feel like we forgot to mention that I have been the long-term fan club president of The Kennedy-Mighell Report. So I feel like I should start the fund.

Dennis Kennedy: I haven’t rolled this out yet. We haven’t ended the podcast.

Adriana Linares: You are right, I guess we have time, okay.

Tom Mighell: All right. Dennis, let’s bring this out now that we are here. I was hoping for a tight 30 and now we are going to be lucky to get it in an hour and 20 minutes.

Adriana Linares: You guys might get lucky and break it into two, sometimes that’s what I do when it’s a good — I have got two months in, I have got two episodes.

Dennis Kennedy: I am literally shocked that we went over.

Tom Mighell: It’s Episode 300 and Episode 300.5.

Adriana Linares: 0.5.

Dennis Kennedy: So now it’s time for our parting shots, that one tip, website, or observation that you can use the second the podcast ends. We persuaded Adriana to stay with us and join us with a parting shot of her own. So Adriana, take it away.

Adriana Linares: Great. So here is my parting shot for everyone, because I think we talked about recycling and getting rid of devices and a lot of times we don’t know how to do that so they stockpile in the garage and we don’t know what to do with them. I will tell you that Best Buy, which is across the country, I know everyone is within a few miles, a trip of a Best Buy, they probably have one of the best consumer recycling programs that I know of and it’s free.

So Office Depot has but you buy a box and then you pay for and you dump all your stuff in there, but I will tell you Best Buy, you can walk up to their customer service and literally just say I am recycling this and walk away. So if you are trying to figure out what to do with your old monitors, your old phones, your old walkie-talkies, your old microwaves, anything like that, you can drop it off at Best Buy. Of course I am compelled to say that if it has a hard drive, you want to either wipe, remove or make sure that hard drive is encrypted before you drop it off.

Dennis Kennedy: And I had forgotten about Best Buy and now I have something to do this weekend with all the rest of the old tech in my closet.

Adriana Linares: Yeah. Now, you’re not going to get money for it, so if you can’t get money for it — I am like you Tom. I am like I don’t need $50, $20 for this, I just need to get rid of it. But don’t forget too that there are programs, if you have something that you think is of value, Apple is taking them, sounds like Google takes the devices.

Tom Mighell: And Android will take — Apple will take Android devices. Their buyback page says Android on it. 

Adriana Linares: Oh, excellent. Great.

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Tom Mighell: We were looking for that earlier. All right, my tip is not technology-related. My tip is more personal in nature. Those of you who have listened to the show for a while, I have talked about the fact that I produce a show here in Dallas for the Dallas Bar Association called Bar None. It’s a bunch of lawyers who are singing, dancing and generally making fools of themselves. We have been unable to give a live show for the past two years because of COVID, and this year what we’ve done is we’ve combined with three other Bar shows in the State of Texas; the Travis County, the Tarrant County and the Harris County Bar Association, they all have their own shows and we have put together a series of videos that our Bar None people filmed. 

I wasn’t able to be in them this year. I was too busy producing behind the scenes, but I am going to leave a link. We are calling the event — it’s going to go live online on December 9, we are calling it Virtually Legal, and it will be — you will get to see about an hour, hour and 15, 20 minutes of performances by Texas lawyers. And tickets are $20. It goes to a good cause, $5 dollars goes to each one of the Bar foundations and we each have a beneficiary. So I encourage you to take a look at it. It’s a lot of fun. We had a lot of fun putting it together, Virtually Legal.

Dennis, what about you?

Dennis Kennedy: So in my constant and long running quest to find new outlets and channels for my creative efforts, I am going all in on the Creator Economy and my latest outlet is TikTok, believe it or not. And so my handle there is @dkenntt, and I am starting to put some stuff up there in the form of tips, just to kind of get some reps and learn how to use it. 

What I’ve found so far if you’re interested in pursuing this is there is a woman who is at — who does a lot of videos named Rachel Peterson and she has a YouTube video called How to Film and Edit a TikTok Video that I found really helpful. And if you go back to Episode 275 of The Kennedy-Mighell Report which is called, ‘Will We All Be Video Stars?’, we took a look at short video outlets and other things like that and TikTok was one of them. And so I am finally getting to the point where I am ready to follow up and do some stuff. It won’t be dancing and things like that, but I see it as sort of an outlet for tips and sort of short form things.

Adriana Linares: I don’t know Dennis, I feel like I can see you and Colleen doing a little fancy like.

Dennis Kennedy: I don’t want to get her started on that because then I would have to do even more of it.

Tom Mighell: It’s just a monster. It will only grow over time Dennis. We can’t wait to see what happens.

Adriana Linares: It’s a matter of time Dennis before you are actually creating the TikTok viral dances that every lawyer in the country will be doing.

Dennis Kennedy: Well, that’s a — but I’ve got a while before lawyers actually start going on this so that would be helpful and —

Tom Mighell: Yes, build your brand for the next three or four or five years and then lawyers will finally get on to TikTok.

Dennis Kennedy: Or three or four or five decades.

Adriana Linares: Hey, I interviewed a couple of attorneys from Southern California who have been using TikTok and Instagram.

Tom Mighell: And getting business from it.

Adriana Linares: Yes, and getting business, and my last guest a couple months — last month also using social media very creatively and getting clients.

Dennis Kennedy: Yeah. We talked about it in that podcast by — I just want to do some experimentation there and some other things that you will hear about probably at the beginning of next year associated with that. But Tom and I, we talked about this for a while, if we ever do the TikTok version of The Kennedy-Mighell Report, we have to probably extend the time limit for.

Adriana Linares: Listen, this fan club president has bandwidth to be a part of this.

Tom Mighell: All right.

Dennis Kennedy: Oh yeah. Adriana always and I had the idea like 20 years ago to do a video — what would essentially be a video podcast at the time, but we were about 30 years ahead of our time I think 20 years ago.

Adriana Linares: Our time has come Dennis.

Tom Mighell: And with that, we are done. We want to give a big thank you to Adriana Linares, who she has already pointed out that she was the original President of The Kennedy-Mighell Report Fan Club, which I am not sure that it has many members, but it has a President, but let’s single Adriana and call Adriana out for what she is much better known for. Please check out her fabulous podcast New Solo on the Legal Talk Network. Thank you Adriana for being here. We would not want to spend our 300th Episode with anybody else. Thanks for making it special.

Dennis Kennedy: Yes.

Adriana Linares: I love you guys. It was an honor. Thank you.

Dennis Kennedy: Yeah, thanks so much.

Adriana Linares: And a lot of fun. I miss you guys.

Tom Mighell: And so that wraps it up for this edition of The Kennedy-Mighell Report. Thanks for joining us on the podcast. You can find show notes for this episode on the Legal Talk Network’s page. If you like what you hear, please subscribe to our podcast in iTunes or on the Legal Talk Network site, where you can find archives of all of our previous podcasts along with transcripts and show notes.

If you would like to get in touch with us, remember you can reach out to us on LinkedIn. We’ve got a voicemail. That number is (720) 441-6820. We would love to take your questions during the B segment of our podcast.

So until the next episode, in Episode 301 as we start the next 300 episodes, I am Tom Mighell.

Dennis Kennedy: And I am Dennis Kennedy and you’ve been listening to The Kennedy-Mighell Report, a podcast on legal technology with an internet focus. If you like what you heard today, please rate us in Apple Podcast and we will see you next time for another episode of The Kennedy-Mighell Report on the Legal Talk Network.

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