Reflections on ABA TECHSHOW 2021

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The Kennedy-Mighell Report

Reflections on ABA TECHSHOW 2021

03/26/21

 

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Intro: Web 2.0 innovation, trend, collaboration, software business service.  Got the world turning as fast as it can.  Hear how technology can help legally speaking with two of the top legal technology experts, authors and lawyers Dennis Kennedy and Tom Mighell.  Welcome to the Kennedy-Mighell Report here on the Legal Talk Network.

 

Dennis Kennedy: And welcome to episode 283 of the Kennedy-Mighell Report.  I’m Dennis Kennedy in Ann Arbor.

 

Tom Mighell: And I’m Tom Mighell in Dallas.  Before we get started we’d like to thank our sponsors.

 

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Tom Mighell: And with so many new podcasts announcing their very first podcast these days and over the past year how many millions of podcasts have come out we like to mention that at 15 years and counting, this is the longest continuously running legal tech podcast out there.

 

Dennis Kennedy: So in our last episode we took a fresh look at APIS, the acronym for application programming interfaces and the world of opportunities APIS open up for us.  In this episode, we return to an annual tradition of sharing what we learned from our annual visit to ABA TECHSHOW and see what lawyers are thinking about and doing with legal tech these days.  Tom, what’s all on our agenda for this episode?

 

Tom Mighell: Well Dennis in this edition of the Kennedy-Mighell Report, we will indeed be reflecting on ABA TECHSHOW 2021 both in itself and I think we’ll also talk a little bit about as an example of how legal technology conferences have begun to evolve over the past year in the times of COVID.  In our second segment, we’re going to try out a new segment we’re calling it ‘Hot or Not.’  We’re going to talk today about whether online breakout rooms are going to survive COVID for conferences and take the place of those in-person hallway conversations and as usual we’ll finish up with our parting shots at one tip website or observation that you can start to use the second that this podcast is over but first up.  ABA TECHSHOW 2021 is in the books.  Over the past year, we’ve seen the conference world really struggle major international technology conferences have canceled, others have gone virtual but have not really captured the spirit of the in-person event.  It’s been a tough time and then we come around to our annual tradition ABA TECHSHOW, a conference that of course is near and dear to both of our hearts and I believe I think is the last conference either of us attended in person.  So we thought we’d give you our review of the completely virtual ABA TECHSHOW 2021 how and or whether it has learned the lessons of virtual conferences that came before it and maybe when we’ll be able to all meet face to face again.  Before we talk about 2021, Dennis care to share your memories of TECHSHOW 2020?

 

Dennis Kennedy: Yeah, I was talking to somebody recently about this because I remember a year or so ago at TECHSHOW where I was trying to decide whether to go and I had reservations on Amtrak so I was taking a train rather than flying from Detroit to Chicago and I think if I would have not taken the train I might not have gone to TECHSHOW because I just felt like we were half a step at best ahead of COVID at the time so it was fun and I remember looking everywhere for hand sanitizer which was in copious supply there and I was also this was pre-mask but I was definitely thinking about it so kind of really interesting times and it does feel Tom that the things we did at TECHSHOW and what we learned there sure feel like way more than a year ago.

 

Tom Mighell: It really does and you know it’s funny I remember carrying a bottle of hand sanitizer in my pocket the whole time I was there.  I remember being vaguely concerned but ultimately in the end not all that concerned about all of it.

 

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It’s amazing now how thinking back on that how totally paranoid I would be to be in that situation these days because we were kind of right then thinking about –not really not really understanding how much would change over the next year and yep it was a good time.  We had a great time at TECHSHOW 2020.  It was a lot of fun.

 

Dennis Kennedy: Yeah, I mean it really is vast differences over the course of the year obviously and I think that TECHSHOW 21 kind of had the benefit of seeing what other conferences had done and some of the things that had worked and hadn’t worked and I think that of the sort of extensive conferences that I’ve tried to attend over the last year I think that in a lot of ways TECHSHOW really did a nice job and part of the reason for that was they kind of kept things fairly simple and I think the platform they used was really stable in a lot of ways pretty easy to use and it just worked really well.  So instead of trying to figure out and we’ll probably talk about this a little bit later in the podcast but instead of trying to figure out like how to dress up your avatar and walk it around and do these other things.  It was a pretty straightforward you know go to video sessions chat, those kinds of things so I just

like the fact it was straightforward easy to navigate and just kind of made it simple without trying to go too far on new technology so the learning curve was really easy and I consider that a big plus.

 

Tom Mighell: I think all in all it was a great event.  The things that really stood out to me were I guess what I would call the production values.  The fact that the sessions would start seamlessly that there were ads running that weren’t too obtrusive but right before sessions started you would see kind of like you used to see

on a screen, the kind of a slideshow of things going through but there was music in and out.  There was fading in and out, it was like a real production.  I enjoyed that I thought that was well done.  I liked that some of the sessions were recorded.  It wasn’t immediately apparent that they were recorded but you could tell because the second thing that I liked about it and I’m kind of on the fence about this but there’s parts about it that I do like is the chat feature in each one of the presentations.  I think that there is a risk that people can go off the rails and say things although the crowd will generally get unruly people under control but what I do like about the chat

feature is that the speaker can interact with the attendees there and especially when it’s recorded.  That was nice because the attendees were making comments while the speaker was talking in the recorded format and the speaker was responding literally in time to the comments and I think that made for a great interactive thing.  The amount of content, 105 sessions, I think that when I’m thinking about the number of sessions it probably wasn’t — I think it was more than a usual TECHSHOW but the number of tracks wasn’t tremendously different than before but it seemed like so much content of course it was spread out over five days.  And then I think the variety of speakers is one.  Then we’ll talk about that a little bit more later but lots of new speakers, lots of people you haven’t seen before, lots of friendly faces and old faces but I think that they got a good mix of old and new, young and old diversity, all of those things I think that they hit a lot of good notes.  Were there any parts of the conference?  That there are still challenges with the online conference world.  Were there any things that you felt didn’t quite work?

 

Dennis Kennedy: Well, it’d be quibbles you know I would have liked and we’ll talk about this but I would like to see the breakout meeting rooms better attended.  There were a few things just in navigation that weren’t as intuitive as I would like.  I actually thought the way the “exhibit hall worked” that you could actually go to an

exhibitor and maybe see their video and stuff uh about their product and then set up like a one-on-one meeting.  I really like that so you don’t get the swag bag, little disappointing compared to in person but you know you can only do so much digitally.

So those were things you know that to me they’re quibbles because there are also many little things that I liked and one that I’ve talked to people about is I love the fact that when I attended a session or at the start of several sessions and I wasn’t sure which one I want to go to.

 

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I would just click into one and then I could click out of it and go to another one whereas if you’re in an in-person conference like that and you realize that you picked the wrong session or that you want to try something out.  It’s difficult to stand up and walk out of a conference and especially if it’s a friend of yours speaking.

 

Tom Mighell: Awkward to say the least.

 

Dennis Kennedy: I mean, absolutely awkward so I like that.  Like I said, to me it’s all quibbles.  I like the fact that the on-demand recordings were available really quickly but in terms of almost everything, my criticisms are actually very small.

 

Tom Mighell: Well, I think I have quibbles too.  My major thing is not about TECHSHOW itself but just conferences in general and that I think that virtual conferences have been really damaging to vendors and my proof of that is I didn’t think once about going into a vendor booth while I was attending the conference.  It just didn’t ever occur to me while I’m on site, it occurs to me because I see people I want to walk up and down and it’s part of the social activity but while I’m sitting at my desk at my computer, it did not even occur to me and I think that you know I like what Matt Homan and a group at Filament is doing with their vendor value challenge.  I like trying to find new ways to bring value to vendors at these virtual conferences but I think that’s really hard to do and the fact that it was successful and I heard that some of the vendors were reporting, it was the best number of hits that they’d gotten of leads all year long so there was something going right about that.  My one quibble about the interface was that I could not search by tag every session was tagged by a specific track and I wanted to click on that tag and see everything that was tagged with it and I couldn’t do it and it drove me crazy.  I’ still a little uncertain about the solo speaker format as opposed to multiple speakers.  I feel like solo speakers no matter how dynamic you are after — I mean, I’m glad that most of the

sessions were 30 minutes to 45 minutes but the longer they go, there is something good about the energy between two speakers and passing off to each other and then finally I would say and again this is a quibble too but whenever I would pop into certain sessions, there was a lot of overlap in some of the content that I heard.  I kept hearing the same tools being recommended over and over and over again, Slack, Trello, Zapier.  I love all those tools, they’re all great tools but I felt like there wasn’t a lot of variety maybe I just didn’t go to the right sessions and so don’t tweet me and say there are lots of other things.  I get it but I felt like in in a lot of the sessions that I visited, there was a lot of the same tools being mentioned and maybe

that’s just because they’re the best tools out there but I would describe mine as quibbles too.

 

Dennis Kennedy: Yeah and I was talking about the format before you raised an important point that I noticed too is that when you’re presenting online, I think you really have to give some thought to the online presentation techniques and so the slides plus talking head is a difficult thing and in teaching you think about this a lot as well but there’s definitely a thing where if you’re a single speaker then when you hit about it is pretty consistent about 20 to 25 minutes.  There’s a visible loss of energy for most speakers and it’s good to try to think okay so how could I do that.  Can I put some polls in there because there’s definitely a polling feature in this platform I didn’t see used — I don’t think I saw it used at all or is this the part where I do some kind of participation or the type of things that you do when you’re speaking in person or you’re just trying to say “oh can I do something where I get people to raise their hand so there’s something happening or do I show a video?”  Those kinds of things so I think that was — I saw that and I think having two speakers in an online presentation if you’re doing talking heads plus slides that’s help because you got variety there but I think probably in this format you would want to give more thoughts to the online presentation techniques just to kind of break it up a little bit and take advantage of the learnings that people have had over the past year and even longer on how to improve online presentations.  But enough about the meta about TECHSHOW so what do you think we learned at TECHSHOW or better say I think we learn different things so what are the things that you learned?

 

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Tom Mighell: You know we were talking about this before we started recording.  At an average TECHSHOW, Dennis and I go to very few sessions.  We spend more time, we pop in and out of a couple but we spend more time catching up with people, networking, doing other things like that and what’s interesting is that this year the year the Virtual TECHSHOW what I find interesting is that it was pretty much the same for me and almost completely different for Dennis and Dennis can talk about that more but what I find is that when you’re in person, when you’re attending in person, you’re making the commitment to being there and I’m taking off from work.  It is harder to take off from work if you are working.  It is harder to take off from work when you are attending a virtual conference.  I just can’t say I’m taking off for the entire week so I can attend the virtual conference during these parts of the day so I actually had work to do during the day so I was really just popping in and out.  I

would have things going in the background while I was working on things so I didn’t

pay as much attention as I really wanted to but I would say that’s almost an average

year a TECHSHOW as far as the content that I saw.  So what I really liked was I liked the branching out into new topics.  There were a lot of the standards.  We had tracks on core concepts, on ethics, on cyber security, on marketing, on litigation, those are standards we see those a lot but we had new ones.  We had a whole track dedicated to collaboration.  My gosh I can’t believe they’re talking about collaboration these days.  Innovation, virtual and remote which is particularly timely so obviously we’ve got to talk about being virtual and remote, future proofing the practice and legal technology, automation.  I know you want some about that, Dennis.  A business plan

boot camp and then there were tracks that weren’t directly related which I’ve been seeing TECHSHOW do a lot more of lately which are things like the diversity track.  There’s a well-being track.  There’s a leadership track not completely related to legal technology but not divorced from it either.  I mean, there are connections to it so that’s one of the major things that I liked about it was the types of topics that got mentioned were some old some new and some not completely related technology

but I think it all fit together pretty well.

 

Dennis Kennedy: Yeah so I did attend a lot of sessions which is unusual for me as you as you point out but I saw a lot of great speakers so in a way I was kind of scouting speakers was part of what I was doing.  It also gave me the chance in this

video format to see some of my friends speak that I might not do in in person so I like that.  So a couple things I noticed and I think there was not surprisingly a strong

interest on COVID and the practicalities and what worked and what didn’t work and how people have kind of tried to survive that and that’s the new move to the cloud remote working, all those kinds of things.  So I think there was a definitely a strong interest in anything that was kind of helping people figure out what worked and what didn’t work as a practical matter.  A lot of talk about automation and in in some different ways that I expected but that was a surprisingly strong topic to me so a lot of conversation and information about that and those were well attended.  The client focus and new business models particular interest of mine but I like the coverage of those.  I had some of my research assistants go to TECHSHOW and one of the things that they commented on which is kind of the typical thing was like oh my god they didn’t realize like how many choices there were in a lot of these categories like documented automation like practice management and how could they possibly sort that out.  And then the last thing that I really liked was there were a lot of newer diverse lawyers who are doing some very cool things and they’re very open about sharing exactly what they do like what they use, how it works, how they’re getting clients and they’re really kind of changing the practice in some very interesting ways so there was a lot to learn in those sessions and a very generous group of speakers in what they shared.

 

Tom Mighell: And to that point, here is something that I think is new to TECHSHOW

and as far as I’m concerned it’s new to most of the major legal technology conferences and that is we’re used to seeing people who are recognized as experts on a topic you know this person is the best at Microsoft Office who’s talking about something.  I think that this TECHSHOW represented by what you described there

with young diverse lawyers doing cool things is this TECHSHOW was about here’s what I’m doing in my practice and that is a very different than what we see at most legal technology conferences.

 

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It’s here’s what I’m doing and you know what I wouldn’t do everything that all these lawyers are doing.  That’s what they do that’s what works for them but that’s what’s great about it is you see all the different approaches that people are taking what’s working for them and it allows you to pick and choose and say all right this works for me this doesn’t work for me, this fits my practice but it might not fit yours.  I like that approach because these people may not be the “experts” on a particular topic

but they are experts in their practice.  They’re experts of doing what they need to do and I think that in a way that makes it more real.  It makes it more actionable because it shows people who really may not have everything together, may need information to know that it can be done that people just like them are getting it done and having it done and it’s not a hard thing and I think that’s one of the things that impressed me the most about the show this year.

 

Dennis Kennedy: Yeah and I was going to say the other aspect is that these speakers were making the connection that’s too often missing when you talk about technology in the practice so they really connected.  The episode that they were able to say here’s what I’m doing and these tools help me do this.  This makes what I’m doing profitable.  This allows me to do flat fees.  This allows me to do virtual.  You know limited scope makes sense if I use technology and I can serve a different client base and so they were making those connections all the time and so it’s not just

where you say like oh I could tell the magic is not that, oh they figured out a way to use Zapier or Teams or something.  It’s like they had put the business together and they’d realized given the stress that COVID had put on how technology had to be part of what they were doing going forward and it was like bringing that story together was one of the things that I really appreciated.

 

Tom Mighell: So let’s fast forward we’ve taken a look at 2021.  What does TECHSHOW 2022 look like?  What do conferences look like in a year?

 

Dennis Kennedy: I think that there’s going to be a big push for in person and I think that there is going to be a 10 — it’s going to be part of this notion that we need to go back to the way it was.  I really like the virtual format.  I mean, I really like

it and I would like to see conferences at least hybrid and I think the concern I have about going in person is that if I were working somewhere and I had the option of going to a conference that was virtual and it cost like X dollars and or going in person where I was definitely going to be away from the office and our travel costs and hotel costs and all these other things and the cost of it was thousands of dollars versus hundreds of dollars, I think it’s going to be hard to get employers to spring for that and for people to pay money out of their own pocket.  So I think there’s an economic issue about going in person that would be interesting to see how it plays

out and I would love to see this hybrid thing where you can do, the breakout sessions, the on-demand, all these things as a virtual attendee or you could attend in person and you would have like another menu of other things that you could do but I think the economics of just going back to in-person conferences is going to be a lot harder than what people think at this point so I don’t know your thought, Tom, you do a lot of thinking about conferences.

 

Tom Mighell: I’m not totally convinced that the economics are going to be any different now than they were before.  I mean, the people who weren’t going because it was too expensive before are still not going to go.  There may be other people.  I think to me the real challenge is going to be how many people — this is the same as

going back to work.  How many people are convinced that online is okay and is doable and should be done and because of that I don’t want to spend the money.  It is more expensive.  For me, I don’t mind the virtual.  I like the virtual just fine but I miss the social, I want to be able to go out afterwards.  I want to have a beer with you and talk about things in a more social environment.  Can’t do that virtually so where I really see and want this to go and where I think the challenge is going to be is to do a truly hybrid format, to have it in person but yet have people attend virtually.

 

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Right now that’s easy to do.  I’m sitting in my house.  I have a webcam set up and it’s easy to do virtual because you don’t have to worry about other technology issues but if you’re sitting in a big ballroom wanting to talk to people and also broadcast to anybody virtually that’s two different audiences you’re having to play to and the technology choices become much more challenging.  I want to see that work.  I want to see how that happened.  I want to have the best of both worlds.  I want to have it in person but I also want people to be able to join if possible because then that makes the on demand possible and you can then get make it available to other people later on.  This is something we’ve been trying to do forever.  We wanted to record sessions and let other people know about TECHSHOW for forever and now I think finally COVID has forced us to show that it is possible that we can do something like that, I just look forward to it.  I think that if we’re going to make virtual continue to be successful, we have to solve two things.  One, we still have to solve the vendor experience.  It’s just not where it needs to be and then two we’re going to talk about this more in the next segment.  I think there needs to be a better

experience for socializing and talking to people than there is.  We’ll talk about that a little bit more in the next section but those are my two still need a lot of work before we get better in those areas.

 

Dennis Kennedy: The other thing is I think in the same way in virtual, you have to kind of up your game for the medium and match the medium.  I think when we go back in person it has to turn into a show.  I mean, I don’t want to like go in person be in a crowded room, do all the travel and stuff and then go to a presentation and

has three people sitting down in a sort of dark room talking, all but reading off their

slides and wonder why I paid several thousand dollars for this when I could have just been sitting at home and viewing it on demand or viewing it live.  So I think that in person conference experience is going to have to change because there is going to have to be like there has to be an entertainment and an education component to make it worthwhile because if virtual is good enough in most cases and in some ways it’s better.

 

Tom Mighell: All right TECHSHOW 22 board, Dennis has laid down the stakes.  He set the stakes for next year’s show.  We look forward to see what you do next year.  All right before we move on to our next segment, let’s take a quick break for a message from our sponsors.

 

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Tom Mighell: And now let’s get back to the Kennedy-Mighell Report, I’m Tom Mighell.

 

Dennis Kennedy: And I’m Dennis Kennedy.  We wanted to try a new idea for the segment.  We’re tentatively calling it ‘hot or not.’  We’ll pick something people are talking about and argue whether we think it’s hot or not.  We might agree but odds are that we won’t and we want your feedback on the segment.  So let’s get started, Tom, break out rooms at online conferences for spontaneous interactions.

 

Tom Mighell: I think the first choice for hot or not is hard for me because it’s both hot and it’s not.  It’s like lukewarm, it’s kind of in between there because I like the idea.  This is what we’re talking about.  I want there to be more social interactions but at the same time and no offense TECHSHOW but the breakout rooms you had, great idea poor execution not your fault, it was just that nobody showed up.  I mean,

the one the one room that was great and I unfortunately didn’t get to go until the

very last day was the old timer’s room.  The people who’ve been to TECHSHOW a lot that was the only room that appeared to have a lot of people in it at any one time.   Now there may have been others when I didn’t see it but it wasn’t well.

 

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The other rooms were generally not well attended.  I think that breakout rooms are

Necessary.  I think the place to have a conversation with one or more people is important, that is supposed to take the place of the hallway conversation of the serendipitous meeting of people that you usually get to see and I think that that’s important.  What I still don’t like about the format is when you are sitting in what’s

effectively a Zoom room with all staring at people, you are only able to have a conversation with one person and the whole room at the same time.  That’s why we talked about this on a previous podcast.  I’m a big fan of and I think that there was a

legal technology conference that used this recently.  I just wasn’t able to attend it.

I’m really a fan of the spatial audio services where you can effectively wander around a virtual room and you can only talk to the people that you’re near and nobody else can hear you or better to say nobody else is bothered by you is that you can actually have separate individual conversations and wander around a virtual room and talk to people.  I really really like that idea.  I’d like to be able to wander that room of TECHSHOW old timers and talk and just have separate conversations because they were people I hadn’t seen in a long time.  I wanted to do that so I would say very much potential to be hot but right now it’s not yet so there’s my take.

 

Dennis Kennedy: So what you were mentioning to me was my remo experience so I went there and you kind of put at a table and you can talk to people at your table

and then you can move around, and still I think a lot of those avatar things are awkward because figuring out how and Zoom is the same way every single breakout room like how do you leave a room without pretending that your internet went down or something.  So for me, this is a hot thing.  I love these breakout rooms.  I just think there’s so much potential in a lot of things I’m on there’s so much fun.  I meet all kinds of people and it’s great you know is an alternative these days.  For me, it’s great, the potential I think is barely being tapped but I think that people are saying I just want to get back to together and so I sometimes joke about this.  A lot of people say “I can’t wait to meet in person so I can start hugging people again” and for somebody like me that is like “oh no,” this is this is one of the things I’m enjoying about now is I don’t have people like all of a sudden come up to me and say I’m a hugger and grab me but with that aside so I think that it’s the potential there is interesting to me so at TECHSHOW what some people did was after they were done speaking, they said “hey there’s this conversation going in the chat, why don’t we meet in this breakout room and have a continuing conversation?” and what I like as opposed to the spontaneous hallway conversation is the breakout rooms can be thematic.  And so you could say this is a group who people are going to talk about

legal education, use of technology and legal education or I think there was one on

baking or there’s one on wine or something like that so instead of saying like oh I just chance run into somebody in the hallway I actually might run into some people

with the similar interest so it’s like having you know in person having this table

that has a tag on it that would say at this table we’re going to talk about this topic.

And so, I think that it’s there also but you do run into the breakout room thing which I’ve seen and everybody says breakout rooms are at the same time, they’re people love them and they hate them.  There’s almost no middle ground and you have to get familiar with them so I think I’m although personally to me they’re hot and there are a lot of potential I think people want to move to in person so much that they’re probably not going to end up being hot. So now it’s time for our parting shots at one tip website or observation that you can use the second this podcast ends, Tom take it away.

 

Tom Mighell: Okay for my parting shot I’d like to do a shout out to our friend Brett Bernie and his apps in law podcast.  I’m a little behind on my episodes.  I’m listening to a February episode where he talks with an IP lawyer about using TextExpander and Grammarly and macros and it reminded me that Brett also has a YouTube video

on using TextExpander that this IP lawyer talks about using TextExpander in

ways that I really hadn’t thought about a lot and so it sort of got me energized again about using TextExpander.

 

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I just don’t use it as much as I can, I have a few very short very small use cases for it but it started making me think of other things that I could be doing with TextExpander.  So these were two great things to look at.  I’ll put the links in the show notes but Brett Bernie’s absent law podcast is great in

general if you are an iPad user and you want to figure out how to make better

use of it with apps for lawyers.

 

Dennis Kennedy: So mine is actually a really simple one and an inexpensive one so a lot of people including Tom are like all in on the standing desk thing which I just don’t like at all to work but if you’re doing videos and you’re sitting it’s kind of hard to get good video results because you’re sitting especially for a long time and it’s kind of hard to get your eyes at the right position and all of the all of these things.  It’s the same thing as sitting when you’re on a panel in person so you don’t have the same energy as standing up so I just found like an eighty-dollar lectern

On Amazon that’s the sort of thing that I think if you have like a starter church it’s sort of like what people use before they get going but it’s kind of like I just have this

little lectern podium and I can mount a camera on a tripod and I can set things up and then everything is there and I’m speaking.  I can set like the online teleprompter I use at the right height and I can move around a little bit but I’m standing and i have better energy and as an inexpensive solution like if you’re not into the standing

desks to do your work but you would like to stand while you’re doing video presentations.  To me it’s like a really promising and for the price, it’s a great experiment.

 

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