Kennedy-Mighell Report

Panel Presentation Pointers for Legal Professionals

Tom and Dennis do a lot of speaking, often as part of a panel. Most presentations these days take the form of a panel or other multi-speaker format. Presenting with others is quite different from presenting alone. In this episode of The Kennedy-Mighell Report, Dennis Kennedy and Tom Mighell discuss the advantages and disadvantages of panel presentations, how to prepare for and avoid common pitfalls and practical tips for novice and veteran presenters.

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Dennis Kennedy: Welcome to episode 126 of the Kennedy-Mighell Report. I’m Dennis Kennedy in St. Louis.

Tom Mighell: I’m Tom Mighell in Dallas.

Dennis Kennedy: In our last episode we focused on some of our favorite presentation tips, we actually run our time before we covered everything, I was able to talk time into putting together a three part series, this will be the second on presentation tips. In this episode we’ll focus on what has become the most common presentation format for many presenters. Tom what’s in our agenda for this episode?

Tom Mighell: Dennis, in this addition of the Kennedy-Mighell Report we’ll be talking about presentation tips when you’re presenting on a panel. In our second segment we’ll talk about using Timer Apps, and the presenter mode in PowerPoint during your presentation. As usual we’ll finish up with our parting shots that one tip website, or observation that you can start to use the second this podcast is over. First let’s get started on our main topic and that’s panel presentation.

The second part of our three part series on presentation tips. This is actually really a timely topic for me, because I just finished doing a panel presentation. Earlier today, the day that we’re recording this podcast, but I have to say that panels for me are really more the exception. You and I may have a fundamental difference about what we consider to be a panel. I guess if we’re talking the two people constitutes a panel then maybe I’d be on more panels than I like to think.

For me a panel is three, or four individuals. I have to say that I still speak more alone, than I do with other people. Dennis would you say that most of your presentations today are done in a panel or multi speaker format?

Dennis Kennedy: Tom, yeah I was kind of like you because I was thinking of the last few presentations I’ve done. It’s actually just been me. If I go back over a longer stretch and look at webinars as well. Most of the time I’m speaking with at least one other person. I mean typically that Alison Shields talking about LinkedIn. For our purposes, I’m going to say a panel is about the sort of classic panel where there’s a moderator and interaction and, like you say maybe there’s three, but at least two people.

It’s really planned interaction, and then also what I would call the multi speaker format, which I think is probably really climbing. Where basically you have a co-presenter that you both share the time slide. Typically that’s going to be two, or it could be three. Like we were just a tech show, and typically every single one of those is going to be a two person presentation.

I don’t know Tom, I think we can agree that similar approaches apply to whether it’s actually a technically a panel or some multi speaker format.

Tom Mighell: I think it’s going to depend a lot on … if you have a panel, if you’ve got three or more speakers, the problem that you have there is that unless there’s a moderator who’s willing to take charge and do things, then you’ve got four people that are in search of a leader. I think it’s really hard to coordinate when you got three or four people that don’t have, that don’t have anybody who’s willing to actually coordinate, and develop and outline, and maybe even develop the presentation, and put it all together.

Those are to me, some of the hardest groups to be a part of. I find that obviously the ideal situation is having two speakers who know each other and who are comfortable working with each other, who can sit down and try to map out a good, a good collaborative outline of a presentation. I know that we don’t always get that opportunity, I know that Eve have to speak with people that you don’t know frequently.

It’s been awhile since I’ve actually been paired with someone, especially if we talked about ABA tech show paired with someone that I didn’t know very well. It’s … I can say that those are not always the most pleasant experiences, because you just don’t really have that working relationship with them. What are some of the challenges that you find, if we’re just talking one on one with somebody else, what are the challenges you find there?

Dennis Kennedy: Well you’re right, when there’s somebody that you don’t know occasionally with someone you do know. Sometimes you get the unexpected, and I’ve had a couple of co-presenters where I had serious concerns whether the person would actually didn’t show up and I prepared extra just in case. Part of that is, during the working together in preparation process, they’re just absent.

You just don’t know what to expect or they sort of turn things over to you, and say, “Let’s just use your materials, your slides.” i think that’s one piece of it, sometimes you also see what somebody has prepared and you realized there is just no way it will fit. It won’t even fit into this time slot on it’s own let alone if you’re splitting up the time. A lot of it just the unknown. We’re presenting with somebody that use to presenting with.

You know their style, you can kind of setup their best of, you can do transition really well. Work with someone you knew is tricky and we’ll get into the issue of how on panels, it’s really rare that you get the chance to rehearse at any level at all. That can make a tricky, and then you’ve sort of alluded to this as well. I mean there are all the different types of multi speaker presentations present around issues.

Whether there is a moderator, whether you know that moderator, whether a strong moderator or weak moderator. The unmoderated things where you’re not really sure who’s going when, whether you just decide to share slides have each person comment on each. Whether you go in sequence one after the other, whether one person is interactive. I know that I have some friends.

Some of our friends who say it can be really tricky when one person has, say the wireless by kind of walking around the room and you’re up sitting at a table, basically running the slides while the other person becomes the star of the show. Then also think once you get pass two people, that poses its own set of issues. I think that what I’ve always found is that as … I mean it’s great once you get more experience.

When you’re going to speak on a panel, it’s really good to have a sense of what that panel was going to look like, and what other people are expecting. I don’t know Tom, maybe we might talk about the sort of big panel we did today, via tech show. Where there are five on us on the panel as an example, maybe you said as sort of exhibit one and how we think about panel presentations.

Tom Mighell: Well, I mean I think if we work backwards from it, I think that the panel actually wound up, turn out pretty well, at least in terms of how the audience perceived it, and how popular it was. I think that the panel itself turned out well. I think that at various points during the whole process, it suffered from a lot of the problems that we’ve talked about. You had five people who all knew what they’re talking about, or very good on their topics and very intelligent and be able to do it.

It’s kind of hard to hurt those cats. Unless there’s somebody who’s willing to really decide, I think that our first challenge came up with what was the format going to be, for how we gave the presentation. I’m not sure that at the end, even though I like the way that it turned out, I’m not sure that everybody agreed with the way that it turned out. I think that we still never reached a good true consensus that was the best way to present the information that we presented.

Did you get that feeling too, or that just me?

Dennis Kennedy: Well, yeah to an extent. I think that we grew to like the format as it went on. It’s also good because that when I knew I was speaking a bunch of pros, and it was going to be good no matter how it turned out. I think you’re right that different people had different ideas about what might be a better format. I know we definitely all have different ideas about the way the slides were being done, and some other aspects of it.

Once you get on stage it’s just great to be with the panel of pros. That’s what I remember, I thought it really went well, when we’re up there and I know it would as we were going forward. It was comical at some time, if you think about … If you’re going to use how we did that as a model of how to prepare for a panel presentation it’s probably not the the first I mean it’s probably not the model I would select.

Tom Mighell: You talked a minute ago about rehearsing, and to use two examples use the texture panel and then just the speech that I gave today, the presentation that I gave today. Totally different in terms of rehearsal. I know that we went through our group over tech show, we went through it very briefly. I don’t feel like we suffered for not having rehearsed. I know that some people feel like rehearsal is good thing.

I tend to not want to over think it. I want to know how things are going to go, and have an idea of how it will flows that I’m prepared for it. I’m not a huge rehearser. This morning, we went through our slide deck twice, where we walked through it, and everybody talked about in general the types of things they wanted to cover in those particular areas. I think that for our group we were all strangers to each other for the most part.

We really didn’t know each other very well. I think in that respect to rehearsal was successful, and I think that it was good. Although I was bored out of my mind, just because I should be fair to say, maybe not bored out of my mind. I felt like it was counterproductive and that I already knew kind of what I wanted to say, and I am … I think reasonably comfortable in following other people.

I know that those presentations skills do not come easily to everyone and I get a lot of people who don’t speak a lot, who say I don’t know how, I don’t think I can get up and do that. I think that in a lot of circumstances, people who weren’t giving presentations I think can benefit from a lot of rehearsal. I happen to be a person who thinks that rehearsal doesn’t help me a lot but I will say that I am also been the victim of not having rehearsed and have had problems with that.

I probably shoot myself in the foot by coming out with that opinion. I can see where in some cases it makes a lot of sense it’s something you want to do, like it was this morning and other cases you can get a way without doing.

Dennis Kennedy: I mean my main point was with rehearsal is it’s so rare. You think about it, with people especially with people are traveling to a conference. It’s just really rare that there’s any time to rehearse, and I think when you do rehearse my concern is that it actually makes you more nervous in some way. I think you’re not in front of a group of people you’re trying to think, you sort of over think what you’re doing, it sort of fake it means like rehearsal.

I think that it can cost some [inaudible 00:11:08] to creep in like how your presentation is working, because it’s going to be rushed, it’s probably not going to be under ideal of situation if you get the chance. I would assume that you’re not going to rehearse, and then also … I focus more on just making sure that there was a good sense of how the topic is going to be divided.

Who’s doing what, usually try to make sure the people are speaking to their best areas and then also just what I was referred to as a sequencing. I need to know who’s taking what slide and how that’s going to work and who does the transitions because sometimes that can throw you if you don’t really determine who’s going to be the first one to speak on the topic, that can throw you a little bit.

A lot of times, sort of my script for something I’m doing is actually going to be that sort of three slide outline, or handout that you do in PowerPoint with the initials of the person who’s going to take each slide and that’s sort of gives me the guideline for what I’m doing.

Tom Mighell: Well not to beat the rehearsal horse to death here. I think that as your describing it, I agree with you that sometimes rehearsal make some people more nervous, in our case especially this presentation that I just gave we had three busy people, who probably didn’t have as much time. I know, I certainly didn’t have as much time to spend on the deck. We really haven’t worked on it together.

The moderator did a really good job of putting all of our various thoughts together, and putting it into an outline that made a lot of sense. We hadn’t really had a chance to give a lot of input into it, as a group. We had only done things separately, and I think that rehearsal really helped, as far as that’s concern. I think that really comes down to, and what you’re talking about there is talking about the order, and who speaks first and all of that.

Really your moderator is the key, the moderator can’t leave the group, if they can’t take that and make sure that topics are flowing from one topic to the next and to know when to move off a topic that people have been talking too long or to move off a topic where people’s maybe either don’t know what they’re talking about, or just going down a rabbit hole, that they shouldn’t be going on.

You really need to have somebody that’s got that level of expertise who can easily flow between topics. I think if you don’t have that moderator then you tend to wonder a lot, you tend to have people [inaudible 00:13:33] and take control of the conversation. You wind up having a lot more issues with your time.

Dennis Kennedy: I was talking with people who are doing a panel at the recent ABA meeting where we’re at. I knew that they were kind of struggling with how they’re going to range it, and all that. They’ve talked about it really briefly and I heard one of them say, “Okay, so we’re okay right?, People said “Yeah.” I was like “Wow.” It turned out it was great, but I know that every kind of struggle with that.

When you’re talking to remind me time, the other thing that can happen to you when you’re on a panel especially when you haven’t done a lot of them is that other people just take the approach like, “Hey, you’re great. You’ll be fine.” They’ll say, “Yeah, we’re good to go.” You’re always saying, “Oh my God, I don’t know that.” A lot of times people totally believe that, I will be with someone I go.

I know … I’ve seen you speak before, this will be fine, you’re great, let’s go. Then I realize later, I’ve kind of made nervous because they would like to have sort of more guidelines, more queues that sort of thing, in a bit more structure than I’m probably comfortable with at this point. That can be a thing. I will say the big thing Tom for me anytime I’m on a panel, anytime when it’s more than just you, or just me.

It’s hard enough to fit your presentation in the time, when it’s just you alone. Anytime you have one more than one person. I would say to me there’s the big thing about panel is that time is always going to be an issue.

Tom Mighell: I think you’re right, but again I come back to its always going to be an issue, unless you got a good moderator or maybe I should say that time is going to be an issue. Having a good moderator is important, coming back to today’s example, we started late. This speaker before us took almost 10 minutes into our time that we needed and we knew that we were going to need a little bit more time in going into the next thing.

We didn’t want to cut it off when we’re supposed to, but I think you did a really good job, going over our time, but not going so far over that we really got to start to annoy people, to do that. I found and looking at kind of our bullet points of talking points that we want to think about this podcast. I think that time becomes an issue just with the idea of the introductions. We had already planned on doing a brief introduction of ourselves, but it turned out that the person in charge of the seminar got up first and without us even knowing anything she introduced all four us.

With not much of what we wanted to say about ourselves. We had to reintroduce ourselves, and talk about ourselves again. 10 minutes into this presentation, we’re still not introduce. I think that’s a huge issue in terms of taking up time. I also find that you got that wild card of having individuals on your panel who are either not going to have enough to say. Because they just don’t know the subject very well, or they’re very concise, or the people who have a lot to say, who either through the fact that they want to show up how much knowledge that they have, or the just don’t really know when to stop.

They’re taking too long, and I think as far as I’m concern when I have individuals like that, that’s sort of a go with the flow approach that I take as if they want to talk long, I just say let’s get through this, and be done with it. If they don’t talk much, then you find a way to fill the blank.

Dennis Kennedy: Right, now that’s a comfort thing. I was try to have in mind sort of the main point that I would like to make and then not be so concerned with needing to say everything that I need to say. Then if you run into a time issues or somebody’s especially either especially good or they go along or whatever. You don’t say wait I need to have exactly the same amount of time [inaudible 00:17:31] go. Consider the audience, give the audience what they came for and your best material even if you do it in a shortened version. The introduction things I think is, you’re right, Tom.

I think the introduction thing can really throw a whole panel. I’ve started to do something where I have the actual speaker introduction I want which is sort of like a two sentence one. Very short, highlights what I want. I print it out, I take a look to see it, who the person who was introducing us, who the moderator is. If they have grabbed some like three paragraph bio of mine that they’re planning to read, I just hand them the short intro.

This is going to run … We’re already running 10 minutes late and what they’re going to read is going to be at least three minutes and they’re going to do it for other people. You try to avoid that. I think the other thing that you want to work out. There’s a number of things that we can talk about that you want to work out with the group. For me a big one is how you handle questions. Whether you take them during the session or you tried to leave time at the end.

There’s a number of technology issues that we can probably touch on time. To me the big one is whose laptop are you going to use and then always have backups in case there’s a problem with the projector. Then a big one for me too is who’s running the slides and then how you signal to them without treating somebody like they’re just your functionary who’s doing slide and treat them as a speaker.

I don’t know, there are number of things. There are other things that you run into either technical or other things, Tom.

Tom Mighell: I think you’ve covered sort of the main topics. I thought it was interesting that one of my co-speakers on the panel today actually was surprised that we had a PowerPoint. It was his opinion that when you have a panel discussion that a PowerPoint is not necessary. That the PowerPoint, the presentation is really a crutch for the solo speaker. Then when you have more than one person, then they are supposed to lead that discussion.

I think there’s an interesting point to that. For all the reasons that you mentioned because using technology. When you’ve got a multi-panel group can have its own set of issues. I think that obviously what you want to do when you’ve got a group that size is you want to go simple, you want to have one deck. You want to use one computer. Again, I come back to saying that having a moderator is still the best idea having a moderator who post the slide deck on their computer who controls it, who then moves from slide to slide.

As they are controlling the conversation then you tend to avoid the issues that you’re talking about about the making people feel like they’re your lucky by asking them to move the slide. I feel pretty comfortable saying people to move to the next slide without doing it like that. I really rather have a situation where you sort of feel the rhythm of where the conversation is going and kind of know when it’s time to change slides if you’re not the moderator.

I know that with speakers I’ve spoken with before, I’ve been able to kind of get into that rhythm and follow them and understand when they want to, when they want to change slides. I think that those are the main issues that I have as far as … As far as technologies concern. Do you want to maybe give a couple extra tips for talking about panels as we head out of the session?

Dennis Kennedy: Yeah. Couple of things. I think that when you actually do have the panel that you talk about. I think on the slides then I think the notion of having either a slide that just frames the topic, so it could either be a one word slide that says what you’re going to be talking about in that segment or something that’s I think really effective is just to have put a question on the slide and that will be what the speakers talk about, that’s an effective way to do it.

Typically, I also like … When you do have two people presenting, I sort of like some form of alternating the slides rather than to do the one person do the whole presentation than the other one. I think that gives the feeling of some kind of interaction. The microphone things can be really tricky, you need to think those through. Sometimes there aren’t enough microphones for the number of people there and you figure out whether you going to pay as or you’re going to turn them or who’s going to get the wireless ones and who’s going to be at the podium sitting versus standing is common thing.

To me that sort of majority rules. Actually it’s probably if everybody is sitting except for you, you’re probably going to end up sitting but you need to think about that because sitting does take away the energy of the presentation. Other times if you’re trying to manage like a panel of four or five people who all who are standing and walking around, that’s going to be pretty busy on the stage.

Those are the main things. I guess there’s always going to be issue with your co-presenters of not … Until you know them well, of not knowing exactly what they’re going to do. I think you’re right, Tom. You just got to develop a sense of going with the flow. As I said I just try to figure out the main things, I want to make sure I get across to the audience, keep the audience as my biggest concern.

I may decide later that I’m not going to be in a hurry to present with somebody else because they took too much time or whatever. I’m not going to let that have an impact on what the audience gets from me that day.

Tom Mighell: Yeah. I think that you have to generally … You have to generally say I’m going to … To give the best information I can in whatever time I have to give it and just make that, that be the best that you can do. I will say that I agree that putting single questions or basic concepts on a slide are really effective. I think the challenge there comes in those areas where the jurisdiction that you are where you’re presenting, where there’s CLE requirements, require something more sensitive to constitute appropriate materials.

Hopefully you’ve also done written materials but as was the case today, we didn’t have time to do written materials so our PowerPoint has to serve as the education materials for which they get CLE credit. There’s a little bit of a trade off there. I think that that really depends on what situation you’re in. I guess my best advise is, if you’ve got a group or even a co-speaker that you don’t know very well. Don’t take it for granted. Prepare with them. Have a call with them. Put together an outline.

Decide who’s going to handle what, I agree with you Dennis that it really should be more interactive. I really hate the I’ll speak for 10 minutes and you speak for 10 minutes or I’ll speak for 30 minutes and you speak for 30 minutes. I really think that makes for a very boring discussion. I like to see things jump back and forth. Even if you’re not talking with each other. You’re at least having two different people talk, I think that makes for a more effective presentation than just having people kind of go in their own little guided soliloquy that they have in the beginning on their own.

Dennis Kennedy: The one thing I’ve been thinking about lately is that everybody is different, I actually really enjoy speaking with all sorts of different people over the years. Some people I’ve enjoyed the most of, actually people who some other people struggle with sometimes. The one thing I noticed that people don’t do as much and this is just I want to highlight this that you get this great chance to present with people who are really experts on the topic.

A lot of times people don’t follow up on that. Just a simple thank you. Keeping in touch with people. Connected to them on LinkedIn. All those sorts of things. I think are really useful because a lot of times those co-presenters may be in a position where they can recommend you for other speaking things or suggest that you do another panel together. I think that’s probably one thing I think that people shouldn’t overlook.

The panel form is really a fun form of presentation. There’s … You just got to remember there are a lot more moving parts than if it’s just you talking.

Tom Mighell: Yup, completely agree. We are running short on this segment. Let’s move on to the next segment. Before we do that, let’s take a quick break for a message from our sponsor.

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Tom Mighell: Now, let’s get back to the Kennedy-Mighell Report. I’m Tom Mighell.

Dennis Kennedy: I’m Dennis Kennedy. If were to ask me what was the biggest change I’ve made while presenting last year. It would be the use of the presenter mode in PowerPoint and the use of timer apps that’s showing really big numbers how much time is left on my iPad, while I speak. To me these are examples of how we can use really simple features in apps to have a big impact on your presentation skills and your actual presentations.

Tom are you using any of these tools?

Tom Mighell: Yes. Probably not to the extent that I could or should be using them. I think that the presenter mode in PowerPoint has gradually become a really cool tool within the PowerPoint itself. I think the display is nice, I think it’s very easy to use. However, I also noticed that on every computer that I’ve used presenter mode, it really slows down the computer or the presentation mode to go from slide to slide. It seems really slow maybe that’s just me. I have not used it very often unless there a couple of presentations.

If I give with my laptop, I will use presenter mode for that. Like I mentioned in the last episode. I tend to present more with my iPad these days. I primarily use SlideShark to give my presentations. It also has a presentation mode that’s very similar, I can see my notes if I need them. It has two timers, actually, there’s a time for the particular slide I’m talking about and then overall timer for the whole presentation.

They’re not terribly big timers though. My problem is is that even though I think they’re really cool and I’d want to use them to keep track of how I was doing for the presentation. I hardly ever use it, I just … I hardly ever look down at it and I think that’s probably something that I need to train myself to do. If you’re used to looking down if you train yourself, I think this is a really good way to monitor yourself over the course of our presentation.

I just probably not as good at it. I wind up panicking near the end and go in to looking at the clock and see if I’m right. I think that’s kind of a signal for me that I probably should make better use of those time tools. Dennis tell us more about the kind of things that you’re using.

Dennis Kennedy: Okay. I use the timer apps basic timer apps. There’s a whole bunch of free ones and I just experiment with them. With the ones that give you the numbers, I think are great when you’re working on a panel because you can just … if you’re sitting next to somebody, you can just nudge them and show them how much time is left. Then they can adjust the speed of what they’re presenting and edit as need be.

I find that really helpful and then I also prepare what I’m doing so that I know where I need to be with say like two minutes left or whatever. I can close and get sort of my conclusion down and finish on time. I think that’s great. The presenter mode. For those who aren’t familiar with it. There’s also a presenter mode Keynote for the Mac users out there as well. The idea is it gives you on one screen all these … It gives you your slide, so there’s sort of maybe types of like half the screen, there’s also a preview of the next slide so you know what’s coming next.

It shows you the elapsed time. Then also it shows the clock time. If you’re in the notes, you’re using the note version, if you put notes on the slide, you can see the notes below your slide. All that’s going up on the screen is the normal PowerPoint slide in its regular mode. Nobody sees what’s going on on your screen but you have all these really useful tools right in front of you. I really liked it. The previous slide is great so you don’t accidentally tell … Make the same point you’re about to make on the next slide.

I find that really helpful. The timer, having it right there is great. Using the notes of thing is really good although it can be a little small on my Macbook Air and as my eyes aged that becomes an issue. In sometimes in that approach if you have a really busy slide, say like a screen capture or sometimes I’ll do like a LinkedIn screenshot. It can be kind of hard to see what point you’re making on that slide.

Then that’s just a matter of taking a look at what’s on the big screen. It’s really nice as a presenter, it gives you a lot of simple tools that really help you along in giving the presentation and being smooth about it and ending on time. Now it’s time for a parting shots. That one tip website or observation, you can use the second this podcast ends. Tom, take it away.

Tom Mighell: Well, when I saw Dennis’ parting shot in the notes before we were getting ready, I decided that I would just make this all about food. Our parting shots are all about food. [inaudible 00:31:14] on his Tweet Podcast got me onto Naturebox. Naturebox.com will send you on a regular basis bags of relatively healthy snacks. You can tell them whether you want gluten-free or soy-free or soy-only or you have a nut allergy or you’re a vegan or vegetarian or whatever, you can ask for treats to be in certain areas.

You can specify certain treats. In my second box now I just got 10 bags of treats that tend to go from granola to dried fruits to little snack bars. Really good tasty snacks that tend to be a little bit healthier for you than just going and buying a bag of cookies or potato chips or candy or things like that. Comes to you once a month, starts at 19.95 a month, all the way up to I think $40 a month. If you want to get a ton of snacks. Naturebox.com, I’m really enjoying it so far.

Dennis Kennedy: I become a bit of a tea fanatic over the last few years. I sort of understand that whole Boston tea party thing. How I would react if you try to tax and put a higher price on my tea. What I found over this time is there’s a company called Harney and Sons Tea. They just really make these terrific teas and they give you a lot of history and geography and ratings of these different teas. It’s a great way to try really fancy teas. They’re really good. They’re easy to work with.

A lot of times they have sales with free shipping. I recommend starting with the samplers to give you an idea an so if you’re a tea person or if you just want to try teas and that and see what there is out there other than the liptons and other things like that. This is really the way to go and if you’re a real tea person I think you’ll really like this.

Tom Mighell: Yeah. I’ve been trying to like tea forever but I’ve just never found the right tea to drink, maybe I’ll give this a try. That wraps it up for this edition of the Kennedy-Mighell Report. Thanks for joining us on the Podcast. Information on how to get in touch with us as well as links to all of the topics we discussed today is available on our ShareNotes blog at TKMreport.com. If you like what you hear please subscribe to our podcast in iTunes or on the Legal Talk Network site. You can get to archives of all our previous podcast to be in both places as well.

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