Podcast category: Legal Technology

Kennedy-Mighell Report

Invisible Apps: Behind the Scenes of Mobile

“Invisible apps” are background programs that automatically trigger functions without being opened. Therefore, the app interface is less important than the underlying function. These invisible apps might include automatic notification or emails based on a trigger, a personal concierge, or a password manager. Rather than a calculator or camera app waiting to be opened, invisible apps actively interact with users. Why do Dennis Kennedy and Tom Mighell believe these to be the newest generation of device apps and how can a lawyer use them in his or her practice?

In this episode of The Kennedy-Mighell Report, Dennis Kennedy and Tom Mighell discuss invisible apps, how they might impact or benefit lawyers, and whether they are the leading edge of a much more significant technology wave. They discuss moving away from labeling app success only by presence on the home screen and how invisible apps are more often used but rarely opened. For example, Dennis uses his news apps for breaking stories, his password manager interacts with other apps, and he receives context notifications (e.g. within proximity to a Facebook friend). He also talks about Invisible Girlfriend, an app that gives social proof of a fake relationship for inquisitive friends and family. Tom discusses many useful apps for “if this, then that,” apps that arrange appointments, reservations, and groceries, and email notification automation for social updates. Tom and Dennis discuss how this new generation of notification apps is indicative of emerging information intake platforms like smart watches. Finally, they talk about how lawyers can use these invisible apps for personal life, professional organization, or even client communication.

In the second part of the podcast, Dennis and Tom discuss Dave Winer’s new idea of a five minute podcast that quickly comments on one topic, answers a question, or responds to a post. They discuss the searchability of the podcast, the work spent on production, and whether this really is the Twitter of podcasting. As always, stay tuned for Parting Shots, that one tip, website, or observation you can use the second the podcast ends.

Special thanks to our sponsor, ServeNow.

Lawyer 2 Lawyer

‘FOSS+beer’ at Beryl’s Beer Co.

During a recent trip, Lawyer 2 Lawyer host Bob Ambrogi visited Legal Talk Network headquarters in Denver, Colorado. While there, he interviewed hosts from another legal podcast called ‘FOSS+beer’. With their general focus on law, technology, and open source software, hosts Mark Donald, Jilayne Lovejoy, and the mysterious Boups the Beerman navigate potentially irreverent topics while sampling local libations on each episode. In an effort to respond in kind, we decided to adjourn from our comfy studio in favor of our neighbor’s craft brewery establishment, Beryl’s Beer Co.

Tune in to hear this spirited discussion about the indemnification, intellectual property, and ethical issues associated with open source software and the practice of law. In addition, listen to our very own Trent Carlyle, owner and chief technology officer of Legal Talk Network, and Chad Jolly, senior software developer, as they join the conversation and talk about the world of modern software development while Eric Nichols, head brewer from Beryl’s Beer Co., gives the rundown on the craft brewery industry sweeping the RiNo arts district in downtown Denver.

Mark Donald is an attorney who provides technology, knowledge management, workflow, and licensing consulting to his clients. He is a frequent speaker and presenter for topics relating to software in law practice. Mark maintains an open source project called oslawtools.org, which is dedicated to building on existing projects to make them useful and easy for legal practice.

Jilayne Lovejoy is a consultant providing services relating to open source policy considerations and licensing compliance. She co-leads the legal team for Software Package Data Exchange and is a regular participant in open source industry groups.

Boups the Beerman brings the non-legal perspective to the FOSS+beer podcast and makes sure that his co-hosts don’t get too serious about the legal issues. Although his identity is mostly a secret, his tastes as a beer connoisseur and fashionista are well-known?

Eric Nichols is the head brewer at Beryl’s Beer Co. which is a craft brewery that specializes in barrel-aged products. He started as a home brewer but eventually went to brewing school to pursue his passion.

Trent Carlyle is the co-owner and chief technology officer for Legal Talk Network. Prior to founding Legal Talk Network’s parent company, Trent earned his MBA from Colorado State University and went on to build and grow a number of software and internet start-ups. Trent works very closely with the technology and marketing teams overseeing product development.

Chad Jolly is the senior software developer for Legal Talk Network and its parent company. He enjoys building and fixing all types of things while striving to find simple and elegant solutions to complex problems.

Special thanks to our sponsor, Clio.

Special Reports

ABA National Summit: ‘Programs to Bridge the Gap’

In this series of Legal Talk Network interviews, producer Laurence Colletti and ABA Journal Legal Affairs Writer Victor Li interview Professor Andrew Perlman, Shantelle Argyle, Dwight Smith, Judge Laurie White, Terri Mascherin, Judge Ann Aiken, and Steven Crossland. Together, they discuss the mini-presentations that were part of the ‘Bridging The Gap’ speaking event at the ABA’s National Summit on Innovation in Legal Services.

Tune in to hear how law schools are adjusting their curriculum to meet shifting roles for attorneys, what an innovative law firm is doing to address decreased job openings for lawyers, and why it’s important to hire ex-cons when they are released. In addition, learn how app platforms are reducing repeat criminal offenses while saving taxpayers money and why some paralegals are allowed to practice law in Washington State.

Victor Li is the legal affairs writer for the ABA Journal. Previously, he was a reporter for Law Technology News, The American Lawyer magazine, and Litigation Daily (NYC). A former prosecutor in the Bronx, Victor earned a J.D. from Tulane, a M.S. from Columbia University School of Journalism and a B.A. in history from Amherst.

Professor Andrew Perlman is the professor of law and director of the Institute on Law Practice Technology & Innovation at Suffolk University Boston Law School where he teaches professional responsibility and civil procedure. He is the vice chair of the ABA Commission on the Future of Legal Services and the former chief reporter for the ABA Commission on Ethics 20/20.

Shantelle Argyle started Open Legal Services, Utah’s first and only nonprofit modest means law firm that has the goal of helping people of modest means who are working hard but can be easily crippled by a legal setback.

Dwight Smith is a solo practitioner at the law office of Dwight L. Smith, PLLC. He has chaired numerous committees and commissions for the American Bar Association, including the Standing Committee on Group and Prepaid Legal Services.

Judge Laurie White presides over the Criminal District Court in Orleans Parish where she hears criminal matters. She is the co-founder of the Orleans Re-Entry Court Workforce Development Program, which focuses on getting former inmates back into the workforce and reducing the chances for recidivism.

Terri Mascherin is a partner at Jenner & Block’s Litigation Department and a member of their Complex Commercial Litigation, International Arbitration, and Trademark, Advertising and Unfair Competition practices. She serves the firm as co-chair of the Firm Centennial Planning Committee and as a member of the Diversity and International Committees and the Women’s Forum Steering Committee.

Chief Judge Ann Aiken presides over the U.S. District Court for the District of Oregon nominated by President Clinton in 1997 and confirmed by the Senate in 1998.

Steven Crossland has been a practicing attorney for nearly 40 years. He is the former president of the Washington State Bar Association and has been dealing with the unauthorized practice of law and access to justice for 21 years. He is also the recipient of WSBA’s Award of Merit and the current chair for the Limited License Legal Technician Board.

Special Reports

ABA National Summit: ‘Focus on the Client’

In this series of Legal Talk Network interviews, producer Laurence Colletti and ABA Journal Legal Affairs Writer Victor Li interview Judge Lora Livingston from the 261st Civil District Court in Travis County, Texas, Joseph West from Minority Corporate Counsel Association, and Eleanor Acer from Human Rights First. In addition, they interview Judge Charles V. Harrington from Arizona Superior Court, Pima County, and Alex Gulotta from Bay Area Legal Aid.

Together, they recap the Ted talk style mini-presentations during the ‘Focus on the Client’ speaking event at the ABA’s National Summit on Innovation in Legal Services. Hear how in-house legal departments are changing from cost centers to profit centers, why so many immigrants are without attorneys, what courts are doing to provide better customer service, and what questions Legal Aid organizations should ask to make sure those in need get the help they require.

Victor Li is the legal affairs writer for the ABA Journal. Previously, he was a reporter for Law Technology News, The American Lawyer magazine, and Litigation Daily (NYC). A former prosecutor in the Bronx, Victor earned a J.D. from Tulane, a M.S. from Columbia University School of Journalism and a B.A. in history from Amherst.

Honorable Lora J. Livingston is the judge of the 261st District Court in Travis County, Texas. She served several terms in the ABA House of Delegates and has served on the Select Committee of the House. She has served on the ABA Commission on IOLTA, the ABA Standing Committee on the Delivery of Legal Services, and the ABA Standing Committee on Legal Aid and Indigent Defendants (SCLAID). She currently serves on the ABA Standing Committee on Pro Bono and Public Service.

Joseph West is the president and CEO of the Minority Corporate Counsel Association (MCCA). Prior to that, he served as associate general counsel at Walmart Stores, Inc., where he established himself as an innovator in the legal services arena and a leading advocate for diversity and inclusion.

Eleanor Acer is the director of Human Rights First’s Refugee Protection program where she oversees Human Rights First’s pro bono representation program and advocacy on issues relating to refugee protection, asylum, and migrants’ rights. She advocates, speaks and writes regularly on issues relating to the human rights of refugees and migrants, including legal representation, detention, U.S. asylum law and policy, and protection from xenophobic and bias-motivated violence.

Honorable Charles V. Harrington is a judge for the Arizona Superior Court in Pima County, Arizona. He attended Gonzaga University School of Law where he received his J.D. (magna cum laude).

Special Reports

ABA National Summit: ‘Challenges to Innovation’

In this series of Legal Talk Network interviews, producer Laurence Colletti and CodeX Fellow Monica Bay interview Professor of Law Gillian Hadfield from University of Southern California, Professor Marshall Van Alstyne from Boston University and Massachusetts Institute of Technology, and Mark Britton, the founder and CEO of Avvo. Together they talk about about challenges to innovation at the ABA’s National Summit on Innovation in Legal Services.

Tune in as we discuss the merits of 3rd party law firm ownership, suggestions for changing unauthorized practice of law rules, and how lawyers are stuck at floor rate of $200 per hour.

Monica Bay is a Fellow at CodeX: The Stanford Center for Legal Informatics and is currently retired from her position as editor-in-chief of ALM’s Law Technology News, where she worked for 30 years.

Gillian Hadfield is the Richard L. and Antoinette Kirtland professor of law and professor of economics at the University of Southern California. She studies the design of legal and dispute resolution systems in advanced and developing market economies, the markets for law, lawyers, and dispute resolution, contract law and theory, economic analysis of law, and regulation of legal markets and legal profession. She is the director of the Southern California Innovation Project and co-director of the Center in Law, Economics, and Organization.

Marshall Van Alstyne is an associate professor at Boston University and a visiting professor at MIT. He is one of the leading experts in network business models. He conducts research on information economics, covering such topics as communications markets, the economics of networks, intellectual property, social effects of technology, and productivity effects of information. As co-developer of the concept of two-sided networks, he has been a major contributor to the theory of network effects, a set of ideas now taught in more than 50 business schools worldwide.

Mark Britton is the founder, CEO, and president of Avvo, an online legal forum and directory. Additionally, he serves on Gonzaga University’s Board of Regents, was Expedia’s first general counsel, and is a frequent commentator on consumer affairs.

Un-Billable Hour

Managing Law Firm Risk with Rules-Based Docketing

Court deadline rules can be incredibly complicated, particularly for civil litigators, and even the most meticulous lawyers and legal assistants can miss an important date. There are different rules when dealing with mailing deadlines or holidays and weekends. Additionally federal, state, and local courts all have individual rules, and even some federal courts are different from district to district and within divisions of the district. In the past, managing these deadlines was a full time job, but rules-based docketing and scheduling technologies have emerged that are more accurate and less time consuming.

In this episode of The Un-Billable Hour, Christopher Anderson interviews Carol Lynn Grow and Jack Grow from Law Toolbox about the risks inherent in deadline-driven practices and why it is important to manage law firm risk with rules-based docketing. They discuss malpractice claims and explain how the technology can reduce your firm’s risk which often reduces malpractice insurance rates. Rules-based docketing, they explain, can collaborate with the cloud-based softwares you already use, like Clio, Office 365, or LexisNexis Firm Manager. Tune in to hear about how the software works, which practice areas can benefit from using it, and how lawyers approach cost recovery.

Carol Lynn Grow graduated from the University of Colorado School of Business in 1990 and worked for an aluminum manufacturing company in Tokyo using her Japanese language skills to facilitate negotiations with international countries. She spent seven years at IBM in Tokyo and Boulder, Colorado, managing global procurement of manufacturing supplies and distribution. Since 2001, Carol Lynn has overseen the marketing and channel partners for Law Toolbox.

Jack Grow is an attorney experienced in civil litigation emphasizing appeals and commercial disputes and insurance coverage. In addition to practicing law, Jack developed and delivered Law Toolbox, a product to help lawyers automate deadlines based on rules promulgated by the courts in which they practice. Since its introduction in 1999, Law Toolbox has evolved and now calculates deadlines, instantly updates those deadlines to attorneys and their support staff to give them summary reports, sends emails to the users and even sends practice tips and a first draft to the pleadings that are due.

Special Reports

ABA National Summit: ‘Innovation Beyond the Legal Sphere’

Legal Talk Network producer Laurence Colletti interviews Judit Rius Sanjuan, Ron Dolin, Denis Weil, and Professor Manny Medrano, panelists on ‘Innovation Beyond the Legal Sphere’ at the 2015 ABA National Summit on Innovation in Legal Services. The thought leaders outside the legal profession discuss solutions to the problem of access to legal services. Whether with increased incentivization or a change in legal education, the panelists discuss getting lawyers to engage in a multidisciplinary arena and open their minds to technological innovation.

Judit Rius is the U.S. Manager and a legal policy advisor of the Access Campaign team within Doctors Without Borders.

Ron Dolin is a legal technologist and research fellow at Stanford Law’s Center on
the Legal Profession. He also teaches at Notre Dame Law School.

Denis Weil is an Advanced Leadership Initiative Fellow at Harvard University where he does research on community-based innovation. Most recently, he was corporate vice-president of design and innovation for McDonald’s Corporation.

Professor Manny Medrano is a broadcast journalist, adjunct law professor, trial lawyer, and founding partner of a white collar criminal boutique law firm in Pasadena, California.

Special Reports

ABA National Summit: Online Dispute Resolution with Richard Susskind

CodeX Fellow Monica Bay interviews keynote speaker Richard Susskind at the 2015 ABA National Summit on Innovation in Legal Services. Susskind discusses using technology for dispute resolution and containment. For example, he describes a project he’s working on in England and Wales that uses online dispute resolution techniques for mediation, negotiation, and even judicial decisions. Tune in to hear his specific suggestions for a three-tiered system of internet resources for legal issues, completely redefining the role of the state in resolution.

Richard Susskind is a best-selling author of numerous books on the future of the legal profession. Since 1998, he has been IT Adviser to the Lord Chief Justice of England and Wales. He has been invited to speak in more than 40 countries and has addressed more than one quarter of a million lawyers.

Special Reports

President William Hubbard at the 2015 ABA National Summit

Legal Talk Network producer Laurence Colletti and ABA Journal legal affairs writer Victor Li interview American Bar Association President William Hubbard at the 2015 ABA National Summit on Innovation in Legal Services. President Hubbard discusses the lack of civil justice for 80-85% of the U.S. population and how the conference brings regulators, lawyers, judges, professors, and technologists together to find solutions to this problem. Lawyers, he says, need to begin to understand that the legal landscape is changing and we need them to lead, adapt, and keep an open mind so they can maintain the integrity of the law.

In addition to being president of the ABA, William Hubbard is a litigator and trial lawyer with Nelson Mullins Riley & Scarborough LLP in Columbia, South Carolina, a firm of about 500 lawyers.

Special Reports

ABA National Summit: Barton’s Laws of Disruption

Legal Talk Network producer Laurence Colletti interviews Richard Barton, founder of Expedia, Zillow, and Glassdoor, about how his laws of disruption apply to innovation in access to justice at the 2015 ABA National Summit on Innovation in Legal Services. Barton’s laws are as follows:

  • If it can be known, it will be known
  • If it can be rated, it will be rated
  • If it can be free, it will be free

Tune in to hear about how these systems of technology-driven disruption already are, and will continue to provide all people with better access to legal services.

Richard Barton is an entrepreneur from Seattle, Washington, who has started several companies, including Expedia, Zillow, and Glassdoor. He is also on the board of directors at Avvo and Netflix, and is a part-time venture capitalist.

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